2011.03.02 Cindy Anthony's Testimony

[jennyb]

Huh - as if that's all it takes to waive parental rights - an agreement! Yeah - umhmm...Tell that one to the nearest judge.

Ha ha! Isn't that funny? You can do just about anything you want in Anthonyland! It's like Candyland or Brigadoon... but different.

 

[jennyb]

Wait, is he dead, too????

Sure they're like the Spinal Tap drummers. Spontaneous combustion. Happens all the time. (eyeroll).

 

[logicalgirl]

Hmmm. Interesting.

So you think there were papers but they wanted the bio-dad's name kept secret. Kinda works for me. Because I think the A's do know who the father is.

But if they know who he is and he's alive they never would've gotten away with filing anything like this with the court. I don't see how PK could have approved of such a thing.

Back to being confuzzled.

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It's really hard for me to even guess on this one. Just sort of in keeping with CA and her ways, I would have thought she would want support money from the father. I don't know about in the States, but up here you can give up custody rights but still have to pay.

Sooo, I think CA bugged ICA for a name, so she gave CA this young man's name, and then when CA wanted to pursue the young man, ICA produced an obituary. That sounds kind of silly I know - but it wouldn't have taken the Anthony's too long to fall in love with Caylee and get all defensive and say well if the father isn't interested in this baby, then let's make sure he doesn't get the opportunity to share her at all.:waitasec:

I doubt Paul Kelly knew the real story from ICA if he did draw up papers, because he would know better - that paper wasn't a legal document until it goes through Family Court and has a judge sign off on it.

 

[LambChop]

OK I'll just say what's on my mind here. I don't think anyone drafted anything. At the most maybe there was a discussion, and I say MAYBE. For whatever reason the lie was told by the A's (specifically CA) IMO, in her depo and maybe during other LE interviews, don't know. I can't hazard a guess why. And then everyone else fell in line to help her out with this little mis-truth.

I don't care if you're an attorney specializing in dog licenses, you know enough about the law in general to know there's no point in drafting papers that have no legal standing. No point in even drafting them to placate someone (which I don't think happened either).

I don't know why they're all saying different things about these so-called docs but IN MY OPINION it never happened.

It's no big deal in the scheme of things (I guess) and has nothing to do with Casey terminating Caylee, but it's just another one of those endless stream of tall tales that make my head spin.

I never believed it in the first place, but forgot about it a long time ago. But then with the info released yesterday and the statements from Mr. Kelly compared with the statements of the A's ... well nothing makes sense.

"Child Visitation & Custody Dispute - Florida Court Forms A child needs a father, even a father who was once willing to give up his paternal rights. In Florida a parent may not voluntarily terminate parental rights ...
www.florida-court-forms.net"

Found this online. Now this sounds interesting and could be why the A's were stopped in their tracks. They'd have to go to court. Same in Connecticut. Even if you give up your rights, you have to support the child. The attorney should have known that. Giving the A's a piece of paper to have the Dad sign is not how it is done the father would have to go before the judge, IMO.

 

[logicalgirl]

I've often wondered if there was a Tony L - like story in the background somewhere. Someone ICA had set her sights on - got preggo and the guy said - hey we were just having a good time - not going to play house with you so goodbye. And ICA would just never admit she got dumped to her mother.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Yep. Just one of three mentioned. ;( Too bad all of his family moved 'somewhere in Italy' so DCF/LE can't follow up, huh?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8412112/Casey-Anthony-Eric-Baker-death-certificate

That's a common thread in all of her stories - people move around a lot - live in all different states, change phone numbers, etc.

 

[jennyb]

It's really hard for me to even guess on this one. Just sort of in keeping with CA and her ways, I would have thought she would want support money from the father. I don't know about in the States, but up here you can give up custody rights but still have to pay.

Sooo, I think CA bugged ICA for a name, so she gave CA this young man's name, and then when CA wanted to pursue the young man, ICA produced an obituary. That sounds kind of silly I know - but it wouldn't have taken the Anthony's too long to fall in love with Caylee and get all defensive and say well if the father isn't interested in this baby, then let's make sure he doesn't get the opportunity to share her at all.:waitasec:

I doubt Paul Kelly knew the real story from ICA if he did draw up papers, because he would know better - that paper wasn't a legal document until it goes through Family Court and has a judge sign off on it.

Well I dunno. Maybe he just printed out some form from the intertubes and never gave it a second thought.

 

[ClockWatcher]

I never believed it in the first place, but forgot about it a long time ago. But then with the info released yesterday and the statements from Mr. Kelly compared with the statements of the A's ... well nothing makes sense.

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I totally agree! I can't see jeopardizing his ability to practice law for the sake of backing up CA's mis-truth. That's why I was sort of stunned to see that he had stated in his depo that he drafted some documents to have the father relinquish parental rights. That is not how it's done.

For now, I guess I'm going to have to chill out and wait to read his actual statements instead of relying on the medias' interpretation of his depo. Maybe the media is reporting this inaccurately?

 

[pip]

Sure they're like the Spinal Tap drummers. Spontaneous combustion. Happens all the time. (eyeroll).

Tony L is lucky he got out alive..
Too many dead bodies linked to Miss "Blackwidow" Anthony..

 

[logicalgirl]

"Child Visitation & Custody Dispute - Florida Court Forms A child needs a father, even a father who was once willing to give up his paternal rights. In Florida a parent may not voluntarily terminate parental rights ...
www.florida-court-forms.net"

Found this online. Now this sounds interesting and could be why the A's were stopped in their tracks. They'd have to go to court. Same in Connecticut. Even if you give up your rights, you have to support the child. The attorney should have known that. Giving the A's a piece of paper to have the Dad sign is not how it is done the father would have to go before the judge, IMO.

Okay so it is the same up here. When I got divorced my lawyer slipped the full custody statement into the divorce papers. We had been separated for ages and he wanted to remarry. My lawyer said he wouldn't notice and sure enough... But he still had to ante up every month.

 

[jennyb]

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I totally agree! I can't see jeopardizing his ability to practice law for the sake of backing up CA's mis-truth. That's why I was sort of stunned to see that he had stated in his depo that he drafted some documents to have the father relinquish paternal rights. That is not how it's done.

For now, I guess I'm going to have to chill out and wait to read his actual statements instead of relying on the medias' interpretation of his depo. Maybe the media is reporting this inaccurately?

Quite possible. But him being an attorney and all, you'd think he'd take immediate steps to have the paper make a correction. I know I would, if something I said or did came under such inaccurate reportage.

I agree that we just have to wait and see. Hopefully we will have his depo at some point? I hope it's not squashed and buried cuz I want some answers here! heh.

 

[jennyb]

Suppose, just suppose, Mr. Kelly told a little fib in his depo. I don't think LE would go after him for that.

Have to admit I never realized how much attorneys can lie until I started following this case.

I'm not saying the good Mr. Kelly has lied. I'm just saying, IF HE DID, would there be any serious repercussions, since it's basically a side-issue to the bigger issue of the murder of a child?

 

[logicalgirl]

Quite possible. But him being an attorney and all, you'd think he'd take immediate steps to have the paper make a correction. I know I would, if something I said or did came under such inaccurate reportage.

I agree that we just have to wait and see. Hopefully we will have his depo at some point? I hope it's not squashed and buried cuz I want some answers here! heh.

Me too! There are a few(!) side issues in this case that I am itching to know the answers to but aren't really relevant in the case against ICA as a whole, but are details, details, details that are bugging me.

 

[LambChop]

Okay so it is the same up here. When I got divorced my lawyer slipped the full custody statement into the divorce papers. We had been separated for ages and he wanted to remarry. My lawyer said he wouldn't notice and sure enough... But he still had to pay up every month.

Sign away their rights but not their responsibilities. They are still responsible, they just don't make those important decisions, what doctor to use, where they go to school, where they get to live, etc. And that is fine if that is what they want.

The A's would have had to go to court and the A's clearly did not want the father involved or to even know about Caylee. Why, why would they want that? Maybe they were afraid he'd ask for visitation and when Caylee was old enough to talk my guess KC's parenting skills would be an issue. Better to kill the dad off or present one they knew was deceased. Much better fit for their purposes. They are despicable. So chances are there is a father out there who never got to know his daughter because of the A's.

I hope someone exposes them for what they truly are and I hope Caylee's father comes forward and tells them just how low they really are. It's one thing if the dad wants no part, but another if you try to keep it hidden just to keep him from seeing and enjoying the child. And what about the other grandparents??? Had they all been involved with Caylee's life, she might still be alive today. They were never given the opportunity to say yes or no. jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

Sign away their rights but not their responsibilities. They are still responsible, they just don't make those important decisions, what doctor to use, where they go to school, where they get to live, etc. And that is fine if that is what they want.

The A's would have had to go to court and the A's clearly did not want the father involved or to even know about Caylee. Why, why would they want that? Maybe they were afraid he'd ask for visitation and when Caylee was old enough to talk my guess KC's parenting skills would be an issue. Better to kill the dad off or present one they knew was deceased. Much better fit for their purposes. They are despicable. So chances are there is a father out there who never got to know his daughter because of the A's.

I hope someone exposes them for what they truly are and I hope Caylee's father comes forward and tells them just how low they really are. It's one thing if the dad wants no part, but another if you try to keep it hidden just to keep him from seeing and enjoying the child. And what about the other grandparents??? Had they all been involved with Caylee's life, she might still be alive today. They were never given the opportunity to say yes or no. jmo

You don't think this was ICA with her bird in the hand vs. two in the bush? Keeping this secret from her parents so she could feel powerful and in case she ever needed it? Seems more likely to me.

She didn't tell her parents she was missing a credit to attend her own graduation ceremony - why would she admit to a one night stand and ended up pregnant? ICA liked to keep the boxes in her life pretty straightforward and isolated from another - no way would she have told her parents the truth. IMO of course :crazy:

 

[jennyb]

You don't think this was ICA with her bird in the hand vs. two in the bush? Keeping this secret from her parents so she could feel powerful and in case she ever needed it? Seems more likely to me.

She didn't tell her parents she was missing a credit to attend her own graduation ceremony - why would she admit to a one night stand and ended up pregnant? ICA liked to keep the boxes in her life pretty straightforward and isolated from another - no way would she have told her parents the truth. IMO of course :crazy:

I don't think CA would've let her off so easily. She would have demanded answers. And if Casey came up with the "dad is dead" bit I think CA would've done some investigation on her own.

I think she would've wanted to know and made KC's life a living nightmare (even more than she already did) until she got the answer. Even if she didn't want to share Caylee with the bio-dad and his family, which I agree with LambChop, she didn't, she would want that information. Just MOO.

 

[LambChop]

You don't think this was ICA with her bird in the hand vs. two in the bush? Keeping this secret from her parents so she could feel powerful and in case she ever needed it? Seems more likely to me.

She didn't tell her parents she was missing a credit to attend her own graduation ceremony - why would she admit to a one night stand and ended up pregnant? ICA liked to keep the boxes in her life pretty straightforward and isolated from another - no way would she have told her parents the truth. IMO of course :crazy:

I think KC likes to play games with people's lives and their emotions. She enjoyed putting people on the defense and then walking away. Leaving them with a "WTH" moment. It's a game. She gambled and lost.

 

[logicalgirl]

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I totally agree! I can't see jeopardizing his ability to practice law for the sake of backing up CA's mis-truth. That's why I was sort of stunned to see that he had stated in his depo that he drafted some documents to have the father relinquish parental rights. That is not how it's done.

For now, I guess I'm going to have to chill out and wait to read his actual statements instead of relying on the medias' interpretation of his depo. Maybe the media is reporting this inaccurately?

I think his only excuse could be if he was thinking this was a preliminary document outlining their intentions in writing so they could move ahead with formal documentation to the courts?

There you go Paul, if you are suddenly scrounging around for an excuse for the nonsense that was just published about what you did. :great:

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't think CA would've let her off so easily. She would have demanded answers. And if Casey came up with the "dad is dead" bit I think CA would've done some investigation on her own.

I think she would've wanted to know and made KC's life a living nightmare (even more than she already did) until she got the answer. Even if she didn't want to share Caylee with the bio-dad and his family, which I agree with LambChop, she didn't, she would want that information. Just MOO.

But wasn't the answer the guy is dead and his family have moved to Italy c/o Somewhere? Pretty hard for even CA to argue with that IMO. See I don't believe this guy was the real father and ICA kept the real one as her secret bird in a hand....

 

[ClockWatcher]

I think his only excuse could be if he was thinking this was a preliminary document outlining their intentions in writing so they could move ahead with formal documentation to the courts?

There you go Paul, if you are suddenly scrounging around for an excuse for the nonsense that was just published about what you did. :great:

:floorlaugh: Beautiful!!! :floorlaugh: