2011.04.06 Sidebar Thread

[Softail]

Ok... Trying really hard to be serious for a second.... JB, REALLY put up PP's that had so many misconstrued facts. REALLY? Can he possibly really believe that the jurors will give him any credibility? :banghead:

 

[ynotdivein]

Not just the misconstrued facts--the misspelled words!!!

I do want to re-watch and see what all was happening there with the Petraco discussion. It seemed at the time that the DT was unprepared for that issue, lots of flailing and conferring and apparent distress at their table.

 

[21merc7]

We are what, 33 days away from jury selection?

I am happy I could not watch today, work, you have all covered it so well. I didn't miss anything I see.

I understand DS needs some help on how to present matters in a murder trial. She is too soft, unsure, and rambling.

JB rambles, quarrels and still loves the tripod. Hope he gets a grip quick and is not the same talk till you bore/try to confuse them to sleep before the month passes. He is practicing which approach for the Judge, and reads here and elsewhere for the public. (As he makes clear with his ridiculous line of questioning and constant mentions of websites.)

What else did I not gather from all of the wonderful people here keeping us at work or what have you informed?

 

[ynotdivein]

Well, the judge will rule on the air samples by April 21. Many posters noted that he seems to be leaning toward allowing the post-mortem banding on the hair (I missed that part for a phone call so maybe someone can give us a better idea why they thought this?). Tomorrow SA deposes KC's psych folks. Friday we will have some argument on the stain, while both sides seemed ok with having His Honor rule about the heart shaped sticker based solely on the pleadings. JA was hysterical to watch at times; his frustration and I might say disgust just seep out (though IMO he was not as demonstrative as he could have been, or has been in the past).

Chiquita was giving good blow-by-blow updates so you might want to check out her posts.

And there was a lot of ullhair: and :banghead: and more that a little :needdrink: here on the boards.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I don't know where else to put this, but what was decided for Thur and Fri? The calendar doesn't appear updated yet --- so when are we back in court if anyone knows, pretty please with a pink elephant on top!

 

[katydid23]

LOVE their spelling of "analysis".


Did they not ever think to proof / use spell check/ ask a teacher at FAMU???


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THIS SUMS UP THEIR LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM.

I know, right? It wasn't just a random scientific term buried in the body of their 'report.' NO, it was a basic term, ANALYSIS, which was up at the top of their PP, in their heading. HOW COULD THEY MISS THAT?
:loser::loser::loser:

 

[Novice Seeker]

So much of the DT's "strategy" is reactionary and/or regurgitation (ie: HHJP uses the term: "open that door" so then JB starts to use the phrase "they opened that door, judge!" like he came up with it), I wonder if part of the reason for JA not to cross examine any of their witnesses was to keep the DT from formulating their trial questions largely based on how JA was impeaching them in these hearings... Not showing the prosecution hand, as it were. I bet JB was kind of counting on them giving them SOMETHING to go on/prepare for come trial. Heh. I heart JA...

between JA and US you would think Baez could get his act together...NOT:floorlaugh:

 

[pip]

Remind me... Is Dr. Hall the only Botany Expert for the State? I didn't feel like he gave very strong testimony. Am I forgetting someone else for Botany?

 

[Novice Seeker]

I don't know where else to put this, but what was decided for Thur and Fri? The calendar doesn't appear updated yet --- so when are we back in court if anyone knows, pretty please with a pink elephant on top!

Catch one of the Cabana boys. They're passing out the upcoming events.

Thursday is depositions and Friday is court day.

 

[Novice Seeker]

Not just the misconstrued facts--the misspelled words!!!

I do want to re-watch and see what all was happening there with the Petraco discussion. It seemed at the time that the DT was unprepared for that issue, lots of flailing and conferring and apparent distress at their table.

I believe this is the um...Root Cause?

Ok, jumped into the net to dig around and this was what I gathered.

Several years ago there was a trial in New York that involved issues about PM hair banding. The prosecutor's 2 witness's stated that PM banding is so similiar to environmental influences that it would be careless to assume there's a difference. BUT, the DT put their expert on the stand and this expert is the very one Baez retained and is refusing to consent to this expert in testifying.

So, the DT(New York case) puts their expert on the stand and he says that it isn't true that PM and environmental banding are similiar. He goes into detail of what the difference is AND....GET THIS....this expert informs the court that he has done enough research on PM banding that he can give a general timeline of when death occured. According to him PM banding starts around day 3 post death. So now would that mean that Caylee was left in the trunk for at least 3 days?
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[Capri]

LOVE their spelling of "analysis".


Did they not ever think to proof / use spell check/ ask a teacher at FAMU???


View attachment 14440

THIS SUMS UP THEIR LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM.

How embarassing that it was the heading too. Truly sums it all up

 

[Pattymarie]

Where are the depositions taking place tomorrow? What lawyers will be involved? Will KC be present? Will it be videotaped/televised? Dying to know.

 

[wenwe4]

Where are the depositions taking place tomorrow? What lawyers will be involved? Will KC be present? Will it be videotaped/televised? Dying to know.

I am dying to know as well . . . . I know Friday court will be televised but what about the depos tomorrow? Usually depos have not been televised but I am so not sure about what is happening tomorrow.

 

[pip]

Where are the depositions taking place tomorrow? What lawyers will be involved? Will KC be present? Will it be videotaped/televised? Dying to know.

They won't televise the depo. Some of the information will be exempt from Sunshine Laws due to her HIPPA rights, other than the info that will be discussed at trial from what I understand.

 

[Pattymarie]

They won't televise the depo. Some of the information will be exempt from Sunshine Laws due to her HIPPA rights, other than the info that will be discussed at trial from what I understand.

Well I must say, hearing what psychiatrists have to say about her would be very interesting. But unless the psychiatrists actually examine, treat or care for her, why would it fall under HIPPA?

 

[pip]

Well I must say, hearing what psychiatrists have to say about her would be very interesting. But unless the psychiatrists actually examine, treat or care for her, why would it fall under HIPPA?

The SA will determine just that by deposing them. If the SA believe she has been examined/expertly evaluated for use in trial, they will expect their expert to examine her also.
I would looooove to be a fly on the wall in that depo..for sure!!!

After Judge Strickland's reaction to reading her psych eval.. it's gotta be good.

 

[Curious Me]

A Nan Lys is

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[Novice Seeker]

Well I must say, hearing what psychiatrists have to say about her would be very interesting. But unless the psychiatrists actually examine, treat or care for her, why would it fall under HIPPA?

HIPPA is a very precise law that stipulates anything related to Medical treatment, evaluation, medication, visits, testing, opinion, diagnosis is confidential up the wazo..
That's why the doctor's office mark off your name as soon as the pen leaves your finger, when a loved one has surgery the staff doesn't page "Smith family".

And to make sure that the HIPPA law is strictly enforced if a medical office/hospital is found negligent there are some mighty hefty fines that have to be coughed up.

 

[pip]

HIPPA is a very precise law that stipulates anything related to Medical treatment, evaluation, medication, visits, testing, opinion, diagnosis is confidential up the wazo..
That's why the doctor's office mark off your name as soon as the pen leaves your finger, when a loved one has surgery the staff doesn't page "Smith family".

And to make sure that the HIPPA law is strictly enforced if a medical office/hospital is found negligent there are some mighty hefty fines that have to be coughed up.

I think you covered it quite nicely (and thoroughly )

 

[katydid23]

I believe this is the um...Root Cause?

Ok, jumped into the net to dig around and this was what I gathered.

Several years ago there was a trial in New York that involved issues about PM hair banding. The prosecutor's 2 witness's stated that PM banding is so similiar to environmental influences that it would be careless to assume there's a difference. BUT, the DT put their expert on the stand and this expert is the very one Baez retained and is refusing to consent to this expert in testifying.

So, the DT(New York case) puts their expert on the stand and he says that it isn't true that PM and environmental banding are similiar. He goes into detail of what the difference is AND....GET THIS....this expert informs the court that he has done enough research on PM banding that he can give a general timeline of when death occured. According to him PM banding starts around day 3 post death. So now would that mean that Caylee was left in the trunk for at least 3 days?
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Great. Thank you for sniffing around. Here is another question, correct me if I am wrong here.

From what i gathered from listening to the exchange between Baez and the judge, the DT originally hired this expert, but are not going to use his expertise in the trial. However, now the prosecution has asked the court to allow THEM to use this expert for their case. And it seemed like the judge was TRYING to give Baez some help in leading him to the proper way to make valid objections to prevent the state from using the expert. Is that correct?