2011.05.31 Sidebar Thread

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Oh then call her right now.

I wish I could call my mom, she passed away last month.

Please accept my condolences. When I get home from work and put my Ma's number in that phone I'll have a prayer for your mom. She's been following the case thru me so I give her near daily updates. I can't even repeat what my Ma calls ICA - I think the mods here would time her out and she's not a member!
 
Can you all imagine what it's going to be like when Jesse Grund takes the stand?
 
when JB asks

anyone think that

Cindy might say

"well, I guess I might have left the ladder up"?

anyone worried about that?


Nope!!!!!!
Look at that home not one thing out of place CA never ever left that ladder up.
She did everything by the book... everything had a set pattern...JMO
 
I totally agree with this statement. I was going to post the same thing myself. Thats why it is so painful for Cindy. She is hearing all this with new ears since she realizes her daughter is a killer.



My thoughts on this morning..................

For almost 3 years Cindy believed her daughter was telling the truth, that there really was a nanny that kidnapped Caylee, and that LE, the court, and the media had wrongfully accused her innocent daughter.

Six weeks ago, George and Cindy learned the truth......that their daughter had lied to them and the world in covering up what she did to their granddaughter.

George and Cindy are now hearing those 911 calls and the phone call home from jail from an entirely different perspective. They now know that it was all a lie. So the impact of hearing those 911 calls and the phone call home from jail now hits them with the full force as if it had just happened a few weeks ago.

Reality hit George and Cindy six weeks ago and they're still reeling from that impact.
 
I totally agree!
How in God's name can you think about your daughter hurting or killing her baby and your grandchild? You cant! You wont! JMO

I still have a hard time believing that CA will ever think that KC killed Caylee. Even after everything has been said and done I think CA will cling to the hope that it was a tragic accident.
 
Good gravy...I feel the overwhelming urge to call my mom right now. Just to tell her how much I appreciate her and that I would never never never ever do anything like this to her. Ever.

Just call your Mom and tell her you Love her. When she is no longer around you'll wish 1000x you could.
 
And there-in lies the problem with this family- enabling makes them worse.. teaches them they can get away with anything and everything.

I have always stated that if Cindy is truthful at trial I will stop discussing her harshly, she deserves credit for FINALLY standing up to her daughter and I'ma give her that but enabling is enabling.. it can't be ignored or denied- it happened. If this girl was held accountable YEARS ago this could have been prevented. This "family" is a perfect example of why children must have consequences and be taught about personal responsibility.

jmo

That approach works with neurotypical kids/people, but I don't think it applies to sociopaths/narcissists. Even trained professionals can't get them to change and see the path of victims they have left behind.
The only person I can think of who didn't enable ICA was JP Chatt. Everyone else either believed her lies, or just let them go to avoid the draaaaaama.

JMO
 
Hey Mr. zig's 17 soon to be 18 yo son exhibits signs of antisocial personality big time. I've been trying to get him to see it for 3+ years and his eyes were finally opened this last weekend. Parents just cannot see it; once they do they feel like someone punched them in the stomach - much like you feel when you find out you've been used and betrayed for a long time. But through some counseling he is ready to save himself and to save us. Dealing with a sociopath is more difficult than anyone can imagine.

Cindy and George just could not see it!!! Lee could a little easier but kept slipping back into the family dynamic of denial.

The truth fricking hurts.
 
and he will ask
Did Casey ever torture Caylee? Did Caylee ever go without food

I wish I could answer those questions..

1. Yes, she threw her in the ditch like trash..

2. Yes, for 31 days she took her ability to eat away from her.
 
What will really get the attention of jurors are the photo's of Casey running around with a "find Caylee" tshirt on.
COBRAND_NAME=snapfish

O.M.G. I completely forgot about that!! :banghead:
 
My thoughts on this morning..................

For almost 3 years Cindy believed her daughter was telling the truth, that there really was a nanny that kidnapped Caylee, and that LE, the court, and the media had wrongfully accused her innocent daughter.Six weeks ago, George and Cindy learned the truth......that their daughter had lied to them and the world in covering up what she did to their granddaughter.

George and Cindy are now hearing those 911 calls and the phone call home from jail from an entirely different perspective. They now know that it was all a lie. So the impact of hearing those 911 calls and the phone call home from jail now hits them with the full force as if it had just happened a few weeks ago.

Reality hit George and Cindy six weeks ago and they're still reeling from that impact.

I don't believe that for one second. They have know the truth all along, but were trying to stick up for her, to save her life. The only thing that has changed was Casey pointing the fingers at them. "If I'm going down - you are all coming with me" Defense strategy.
 
I hope there were two things from the jailhouse call that stay with the jurors. When Kristina was crying and saying she would die if anything happed to Caylee and KC responded "Oh well".
And of course "All they care about is Caylee."

Did she really say "Oh well."?? I always thought it was "Oh, WOW." Like she was just reacting to Kristina's unexpected emotional breakdown. (Don't get me wrong, NEITHER are an appropriate response!)
 
I'm not worried one bit. Cindy was obviously very conscience of the workings around this swimming pool. There's no doubt in my mind that she took the ladder down, and knows this, which is exactly why the DT have screwed up with their defense of any kind of accident.

i believe that as well

i am a little concerned when push comes to shove Cindy will be unable to withstand the opportunity to try and help ICA

and that one statement would be a major "reasonable doubt" thing

i'm a bit worried,

jus wondering if anyone else is.
 
Was just going back through the tweets from during the 911 calls and Amanda from WESH said that CA was in the bathroom during the recess and everyone in the hallway could hear her sobbing.

Pray they have some very strong meds for her to take when she gets home today. That woman desperately needs and deserves a long peaceful nap and she'll never get to it on her own.

I have always said CAs denial was what was driving the abhorrent behavior we've been seeing these past 3 years - now the last facade of it is crumbling in public. She now knows that everything she believed really was a lie and has had to actively admit it to herself and the world - and bearing witness to this is somehow very humbling.

May He forgive me for being human and heaping judgement on this woman.

I have been speechless this entire morning. I sobbed uncontrollably right along with Cindy when she had to endure listening to those tapes. I envisioned my own mother's reactions to my sister's behavior and it hit me in a place in my gut that took my breath away.

I have never been a fan or supporter of Cindy's, and I won't make claims otherwise. But this morning I saw a woman whose entire sense of reality has come crashing down hard around her--the daughter she raised is a monster and that is now becoming a truth in Cindy's heart. There is no escaping it now. She has been in denial for the past 3 years, wanting--needing--desperately to believe in her little girl. But the truth has hit her like a sledgehammer and it must be such unbearable pain for her.

I still have tears rolling down my face, recalling Cindy literally curled into a fetal position up there on that witness stand. She was trying to crawl into herself, but she had no place to go. There is no doubt that this woman is in deep, deep pain.

She knows the truth now--and now is the only thing that matters. Whatever words or actions she put out to the public previously, at least for me, is forgotten and forgiven. She had to behave that way for her own sanity and self-preservation. Someone turned the light on for her to help her see the truth--I only pray that whomever that is stays with her to support her during the days, weeks, and months ahead. She is going to need it.

Those words that ICA uttered on those tapes sounded just like my sister--even when my mother or I would be as upset about something as Cindy and Kristine were, my sister's tone and words were identical. It is very frightening, in retrospect, to hear the cold, detached, insensitivity of her words.

I hope that ICA sits for 15 or 20 years on death row, contemplating the actions that put her there, and then I hope that needle hurts when it slides into her arm and ends her life once and for all.

She will never comprehend the hurt that she has caused to those around her--because the only thing that matters to Casey is Casey.
 
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