2011.06.01 TRIAL Day Seven (Afternoon Session)

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  • #461
Bam - Hosey just said that while GA was calm he voiced the same concerns as CA. I find this reasonable. CA was frantic, GA was trying to be the calm one so that he didn't upset his wife more.
 
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Dep. Hosey on stand w/LBD....

Hosey doesn't remember telling deputies to collect anything from TL....Dep Ryan Williams returned w/cellphone from TL......take written statement from parties @ residence.....included statement from kc.....after her written statement obtained had a conversation with her....walked and talked with her briefly....child issue was in play....deputies were not there to take her child from her just wanted location of the child to ensure she was ok.....child kidnapped? not kidnapped just missing didn't know whereabouts.....after kc returned from Sawgrass Apts without the child.....kc mentioned Caylee was with ZTN during our conversation....kc agreed to accompany on short walk away from house....multiple deputies on scene . . .as Supv there walk away...previous conversations kc and her Mother werent' getting along, her parents weren't getting along, CA threaten to take baby from KC...no orders to take the child from her reassure kc just there to help.....kc constantly talking about CA and KC not getting along wanted to keep CA from getting the child.....no further success in locating child.....followed OSCO procedure contact Corp. Yuri Melich......in Detective Unit would have followed up ....

Cross Exam....


CM up
Good Afternoon you are out of uniform...still work for Sheriff....want to wear a suit today and look nice.....promoted to Lietenant (sic?) 6 sectors.....Sheriff on top . . .then a bunch of brass and then you come....correct......he was only in charge of a squad not the sector but had duties within the sector.....don't recall if actually knew of the location on Hopespring....never heard of A's before....not on his radar screen....when he arrived Corp. Fletcher and Dep Acevado.....full uniform, guns & tasers, marked patrol cars X3 @ the house.....know how long other deputies been there before you? 20-30 min before arrival.....Brendon F call for a suspected stolen car......find out shortly that was bogus? I really didn't know had other deputies and other calls going out....was kc handcuffed? don't recall.....recall telling Dep. to uncuff her .....take handcuffs off kc....don't remember.......since took Depo November last year had time to discuss w/SA? yes....were you advised she was cuffed? object-overrule
yes.......not in your presence? Don't remember her being handcuffed........ok.....directed drive to Sawgrass Apts...present when kc departed Dep. Acevado patrol car . . .put in the back in the cage.....kc put in the cage....yes she ride in rear of vehicle.....approach Hopespring first time ever been there.....garage open.....trunk open......go up to car? yes....smell foul odor? yes....report CSI? no....I don't believe talk toforensic unit that night nor conduct any inspection....didn't write any report in this case.....separate kc from rest of people.....alone to talk with her in full uniform....she went with you 40 paces....40 yards....talked to her......anyone give kc Miranda Warning . . . I am not aware of anyone doing that.......she have ability to get out of cage in Dep. Acevado? yes she could ask the Dep to get out but can't get out from the inside of those vehicles......when return from Sawgrass . . .led into her house by full uniformed armed deputies on scene . . .taken inside house kept there until YM arrived...talked to several dep's in there.....I thought there were only 3 now several? Deps on scene....all Deps could have been in house at one time yes.....how long before YM showed up from your call? a couple hours or 1 1/2 hrs....kc in the family home with at least 3 deputies waiting for YM.....Dep.s weren't there all at the same time while waitin on YM....walking in and out.....I was back and forth between house and car and looking on computer.....nobody left...You weren't going to let anybody leave? I cant say that I would not have......dont know how long stayed after YM arrived.....road patrol is preliminary investigation until Detectives arrive....not in the chain of custody.....not statements given by anyone....only time to go back when protesters who have nothing to do in their life protesters at the house (object-) Nothing to do with case at all after this night? None at all.


CM is done

Redirect LDB

Hosey was told by kc child was alive/well/with a babysitter she couldn't contact at that moment....didn't want CA to have contact with her child that evening...assignments to deputies @ scene important to gather info from people who are there, in the house GA, CA, LA...Hosey doesn't remember LA leaving and returning......no effort to stop LA, CA, GA or KC from leaving if they wanted to leave.....no body said they want to leave....all appear to be cooperating w/deputies to locating Caylee.....kc went w/Dep. Acevado . . .instructed Deputy to maintain communication to ensure kc going voluntary.....(object) repeat question .....yes........Hosey there when kc returned and free to walk about house, no one told her she couldnt leave, spoke to her briefly away from family spoke freely and didn't say didn't want to go away from family, no handcuffs @ that point....

Re-direct
CM...was GA all upset or calm? overall calm he voiced concerns about kc behavior....he was pretty calm.....he advised was an ex-cop......CA wasn't calm . .. upset/tearful/angry/lots emotions and calm at points that night......kc had flat affect whole time he knows what flat affect means.....

Witness step down...


 
  • #463
LDB: on july 15 2008 were you advised by kc her child was alive?

yes

LDB: her child was well?

yes

LDB: with a baby sitter that she could not contact at that moment?

correct

LDB: that she didn't want her mother to have contact with child that eve?

yes

LDB: when you make assignments to the deputies at the scene is it important that they gather info and take statement?

yes

LDB: the individuals in the house would include George, Cindy and Lee, do you remember Lee?

yes I do

LDB: Lee leaving and returning?

no, not leaving and returning

LDB: did you make and effort to stop Lee or Cindy or Casey or George if they wanted to leave?

no

LDB: did they want to leave?

no

LDB: were they co operating to find Caylee?

yes

LDB: when KC went in the police car did you instruct asivedo to make sure miss anthony was going freely.

yes

LDB: you were there when miss a returned?

yes

LDB: free to walk about the house?

yes

LDB: did you tell her she couldn't leave?

I did not tell her

LDB: when you wanted to speak with you was she speaking freely as best you could tell?

yes

LDB: did you have her in handcuffs?

no I did not.

CM: hippa hopa biipa blbubu. Was George calm?

overall calm but voiced the same concerns as Cindy

CM: but he was pretty calm

yes

CM: ?

yes

CM: and cindy wasn't calm?

tearful, angry lots of different emotions.

CM: upset tearful angry sometimes calm

yes

CM: casey had a flat affect?

yes

CM: do you know what that means?

yes
 
  • #464
CM: she [ICA] had a flat affect?

Hosey: yes
 
  • #465
CM is quite a bit more effective than JB. Way better. Forget his demeanor, he is effective at questioning folks with a message beyond the question.

I agree he is better than JB, but that isn't saying much. I just don't think he needs to alienate the witness. It came across to me that his message was 'you are not telling the truth' and accusatory. jmo
 
  • #466
Perhaps a very subtle way of supporting the abuse allegations without mentioning them.

I agree, sots, but on the other hand, if they want to play it that way, doesn't that contradict their assertion that Cindy ignored it or was in denial about the abuse?
 
  • #467
Why is CM stressing that GA was calm? I thought he was a hot headed hitter type.

Because they want to allude that he already knew Caylee was gone, for 31 days because he was involved as addressed in opening statements.
 
  • #468
OMG...I LOVE how the witness corrected CM's pronunciation of flat affect.
 
  • #469
CM got his points - GA calm ICA flat affect (going for the mental health defense that is not a mental health defense)
 
  • #470
So George must be guilty because he was calm. Hah! It proves he knew everything... :waitasec:
 
  • #471
I wonder what the AA juror thinks about all this?? The defense has been very rude to Mr. Hosey. A young AA male who has done well in his life. Works for LE and the defense is making him out to be corrupt?? I bet the AA juror doesn't like that very much.

ITA, but I will add that I don't think any of the jurors appreciated CM's tone with him. I'm not AA, and I don't appreciate it.
 
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"ICA had a flat affect . . . you know what that means don't you . . ." What does that mean? Or is CM just wondering if he knows what the phrase means?
 
  • #474
CM ask if GA was calm, answered yes. Well someone had to remain calm. Some folks react differently in stressful situations!

As a former LE George understood he had to let the officers do the job they were called there to do.
 
  • #475
I had a doctors appt. today, could someone, anyone please tell me, is Lee A. testimony over? PLEASE!!! ThANKs!!!!!

For now, but you didn't miss anything.
 
  • #476
PLEASE let Yuri Melich be up next!! I want the jury to hear her first statement when they were at the Hopespring home!!
 
  • #477
I had a doctors appt. today, could someone, anyone please tell me, is Lee A. testimony over? PLEASE!!! ThANKs!!!!!

Yes its over and you can see at wftv.com :)
 
  • #478
Why is CM stressing that GA was calm? I thought he was a hot headed hitter type.

I think it's a way for the DT to say off course George was calm, he knew what had happened to Caylee..he knew she was dead..no shock to him.:twocents:
 
  • #479
I had a doctors appt. today, could someone, anyone please tell me, is Lee A. testimony over? PLEASE!!! ThANKs!!!!!

Yup, subject to recall (lots more to cover) and I fell asleep during it, so let's watch it later! Nothing related to SA apparently.
 
  • #480
Why is CM stressing that GA was calm? I thought he was a hot headed hitter type.

Insinuating that GA was calm cuz he was involved in and already knew about poor Caylees death. It makes me so angry to see how ok she is with destroying her father. :maddening:
 
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