2011.06.02 Sidebar Day Eight (incl Universal audio discussion)

[Friday]

Earlier in the trial, I said I thought they'd convict but not recommend the DP. Now, I'm not so sure that they won't recommend the DP.

For ICA or JB? :lol:

 

[lowens1975]

It sure looks that way to me.

Get out of here! I've been hearing the wizard's wife in Princess Bride...LIARRRRR! :floorlaugh:

I've been hearing the Pointer Sisters sing "It's all been just a great big Fairytale" :floorlaugh:

 

[21merc7]

Their speaking in code was driving me crazy. They have some weird speech patterns and phrases. Casey kept saying to the best of my knowledge - I don't think that's a natural way to answer a question from your parents or brother - KWIM?

They knew they were being recorded, even said so on the first recording. They thought they were being slick.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

For ICA or JB? :lol:

Meh...flip a coin.

 

[Doodlelover]

About the GA attempted suicide thing...is it possible that GA was trying to kill 2 birds with one stone? 1. He wanted to end his life because he could not live with the grief of losing Caylee AND ICA so that leads to #2. He knew if he committed suicide, the DT could run with it and pin the whole thing on him (even though he knew ICA was guilty), therefore getting ICA off the hook, and GA would never have to be around to see the repercussions of that happening...

I think if this was the case, George would have took the blame in his suicide note. That way, Casey would get out and it wouldn't matter if he was the one blamed if he was dead.

His suicide note said nothing important. I firmly believe all he is guilty of is being a passive father.

 

[DogWood]

Can anyone tell me what video/s ICA and TL rented from blockbuster? :waitasec: TIA

IIRC, the movies were Untraceable and Jumper.

 

[ziggy]

So basically, per Angrand v Key, the judge is saying that the expert must testify to something that an ordinary person would know nothing about, i.e. scientific knowledge of a subject. They have to give testimony that will help the trier of facts. If the jury is capable of forming an opinion on it's own, without the expert's opinion, then that expert will not be allowed to testify. I think the judge is thinking that most, if not all, of these jurors have basic knowledge and/or experience with grieving and don't need an expert's testimony to come to conclusions about KC's grief. He is willing to hear what she has to say though. Just my interpretation. I could be completely off base here.

Yes, this will be interesting to see if the judge determines jurors need an expert to help them sort out how someone might grieve. What I find interesting is that this trial is consumed with the "why KC lied and waited 30 days..." up until now, but when we shift into scientific evidence mode, the jurors are going to be looking at the fact that KC was the last person to see Caylee alive and she had plenty of opportunity and motive to kill her child.

Jurors sure jurors know that a mother killing her child is not a unique idea - as if a young mother could never be capable. The pieces are falling into place.

Now, prepare yourselves for the DTs case-in-chief. Oy.

 

[21merc7]

Not Gitana, but via subpoena would be my assumption.

I know, but how for GA. I know for KC, but GA?

ETA: Never mind, I got it. Link, lol. But still, I don't understand why the Court would agree to Order a Subpoena for GA.

 

[allycat1208]

Funny...KC's asked why she did not pick the car up at Amscot by her mom....I was waiting for that question. Of course I got no answer!

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

did anyone get the name of the item that JP mentioned to the attorneys that they "should read" before any decisions are made as far as the greif information?? all i was able to hear was "angrand vs t" "teak" "tea"
i did a search for it but could not find anything.......

angrand v key - I think tlcox had something upthread about it (and if I got that wrong I'm sorry to the person who posted it!)

 

[Bia.]

I find this whole situation mind boggling.

When my father died unexpectedly (literally drop dead over night) it hit me hard. I cried all day, wouldnt eat for a week, lost 15 lbs AND was severely depressed. Not ONCE did I go rent movies with my boyfriend, hang out at dance clubs or go to parties.

So I'm interested in this supposed "grief expert" to come into play.

Sure, we all act differently when dealing with grief. Some dont sleep, some dont eat, some get angry, some sad, some numb BUT I can assure you that none of us would act like nothing happened for 31 days and 3 years.

 

[SyraKelly]

Can anyone tell me what video/s ICA and TL rented from blockbuster? :waitasec: TIA

Untraceable and Jumper3

 

[tlcya]

Meh...flip a coin.

can I choose OTHER (both)

 

[Mountain_Kat]

They knew they were being recorded, even said so on the first recording. They thought they were being slick.

I had to chuckle when LA told ICA to answer "yes" to anyone she could trust, and remain silent when he read off a name she felt she couldn't trust.

Hello? We can HEARRRRR YOUUUUU! We now know the code, Lee! :floorlaugh:

 

[Tiki]

:seeya:
Excuse me, please.
Does anyone know what the motion was at the end that CM didn't know about, but was filed from his office?
:waitasec:

I'm sorry if it's been discussed. I haven't read the entire thread because I have a "repetitive scrolling injury". . ..calling Nursie ...any advice?
:help:

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[Rail_Tracer]

If GA's medical records were to be admitted for the purpose of showing GA's feelings of guilt (re. the attempted suicide) I don't see how that could be particularly beneficially to the defense.

If anything, IMO, I would think the jurors would feel the complete opposite. Seeing the faces and hearing the agonizing pain of GA and CA over the course of this trial has been horrifying. Can you imagine the jurors hearing how far and how deep GA's suffering and grief extends using his private medical records?! And then, having those jurors look into KC's icy cold stare and comparing those two reactions silently in their mind. Something ain't gonna fly. And I don't it's going to work in the defense's favor.

 

[GatorMom]

I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread but I loved LOVED how Yuri thanked the SA and then the jury on his way out.

When I realized the DT is reading blogs and twitter I started tweeting not very nice comments about JB's skills. It made me feel better, felt like I was doing something for Caylee.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

can I choose OTHER (both)

No. But I will let you flip two coins so you can double your odds.

 

[LancelotLink]

:seeya:
Excuse me, please.
Does anyone know what the motion was at the end that CM didn't know about, but was filed from his office?
:waitasec:

I'm sorry if it's been discussed. I haven't read the entire thread because I have a "repetitive scrolling injury". . ..calling Nursie ...any advice?
:help:

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I'm looking for the replay of this. So far, no luck.

 

[ColdDayIn]

I think if this was the case, George would have took the blame in his suicide note. That way, Casey would get out and it wouldn't matter if he was the one blamed if he was dead.

His suicide note said nothing important. I firmly believe all he is guilty of is being a passive father.

True he could have taken the blame and been forever remembered as the one who committed the murder. Without blatantly admitting it in a suicide note though, it could have left enough room for reasonable doubt (for ICA to get off the hook) without everyone always remembering him as a murderer though...things that make ya go hmmm...I 100% agree with your statement about him being a passive father. I, too, believe that is all he is guilty of. I do not think for a second he is guilty of anything that JB has alleged. I have always thought GA was wayyy too passive.