2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[katydid23]

I believe WFTV has them or you can find them in our media links on the front page of the Caylee' Forum @ the top section....there are also witness testimony transcriptions by members during the trial to review as well.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOTVRyBOc78"]YouTube - ‪Casey Anthony Trial Day One May 24, 2011: Defense Opening Statements Part 1‬‏[/ame]

Here is an entire page of great youtubes including both Opening Statements.

 

[texaslb218]

I want to see the prosecution end this case like LDB ended her recross of the computer forensic guy when he said ICA had visited the website for how to make chloroform 84 times! I want a STRONG ending, and right now I'm feeling like they're going out with a whimper instead of a bang. Even Jane Valez Mitchell said earlier today that there were many other things the prosecutors could bring in! I'm afraid they're trying to go so fast that they're going to let Jose out of the trap!

Dont worry, Shadow,


JB wil re-trap himself. He will do it for us if need be. Don't you think? :rocker:

 

[sorrell skye]

I agree with you. I believe she is 100% guilty, I believe the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey premeditated the first degree murder of her own child. BUT I will not be surprised by any verdict, hung jury. I've been devestated too many times to count by "slow" jurors. No offense to jurors....just nothing they do surprises me anymore. I was certain OJ, Robert Blake, MJ and Phil Specter would be found guilty too (the first time around)

I am prepared for anything this time.....doesn't mean I'll recover quickly though.

bbm

I don't think it's fair to characterize jurors as "slow" who have not been convinced by the evidence that has been provided by the State.

It is the burden of the State to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is the juror's burden to weigh the evidence presented, and come to a verdict based on what is known in a court of law; not on what is speculated, not on what has been reported or rumored or discussed outside a court of law.

 

[Leila]

After watching this morning's portion, here are my thoughts, FWIW:

• The female witness was amazing! She spoke clearly, used a great analogy w/the band-aid, and appeared to me to be very thorough and credible. I agree w/others' assessments that if she had deviated from the protocols, then all the subsequent testing (steps 3-30000000, according to JB heh) could potentially be considered "invalid" or somehow hampered by the taking of the photograph/stepping away from protocol.
• The male witness from the morning reminded me (in an endearing sort of way) of a whole ton of farm boys I grew up with. I found him to be like Forgey--someone who might live down the street--a "real, normal" type person (did you notice he has dimples?). Same with the female witness--relatable. Someone mentioned she sounded like a Kindergarten teacher, and as a preschool teacher, I can say I did recognize that vocal cadence and headmovement/eye-contact to be similar to what I use to talk to my students. But I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing at all here. I mean, IMO, if there were some sort of test as to "repeat these witness testimonies in your own words," that a lot of people would be able to more accurately explain her testimony than that of some of the other expert witnesses. IMO
• JB's whole "how many steps was that, now?" shtick backfired (as usual), IMO. Was he trying to indicate that they "over-processed" or "over-examined" this evidence? Like, they did their job TOO well??? Because all it told me is that they were incredibly, INCREDIBLY, thorough examining the evidence, which gives THEM, the EXPERT scientist (chemist!) credibility, not you, JB!!!!!!!!! He's done this so many times!! What an unusual person! I rolled my eyes so many times this morning that I have some weird eye-strain headache in addition to the usual one induced by this unusual defense team. (Oh, finally his last question--so after all those steps no fingerprints--is that what you were driving at that whole entire time, JB? Really? Oh I am sitting on my hands!!! :maddening: )
• I wish the jury had been able to see the "heart on band-aid" image from ICA's photobucket (yes?), and all those freaking heart stickers from the house, and even that one pic of Caylee where she added the heart in the corner.
• I'm glad JB doesn't know when to stop.
• (aside: My poor, long-suffering (ha!) DH is so sick of hearing about this case! But he's out of town today until sometime tomorrow. So I got my West-coast booty out of bed at ~9am my time, and was SO excited to get to watch some live testimony using both the computer and TV at the same time! But by the time I got out of the shower, cats fed, etc., they were just recessing for the day?!?!?!? ACK! and worse, no more until tomorrow afternoon? I was so hoping to get some very vocal yelling and gesturing at the screen(s) out of my system today so I could go back to my headphone-wearing semi-quiet watching day after tomorrow! Whine! I'm a :loser: it's true
• I'm okay with the PP not getting in as it spares us and the jury from the excruciating experience of JB going through each and every photo.
• I can't wait to hear how the SA wraps this up! And on which day!!!
• I'm looking forward to and also dreading the DT's presentation.

I can relate to the part I put in bold. I'm also on the west coast. I got up at about 8:45am today, and knowing that the lunch recess was only a few minutes away, thought I'd spend the next hour or so getting caught up with what happened in the morning session, so I'd be ready for the afternoon session.

I was so surprised to learn that court had been dismissed for the day pending the arrival of the state's next witness.

I've spend the last 4 hours getting caught up with the morning session. I thought the FBI witness, Elizabeth Fontaine, was very interesting. She was concise and spoke directly to the jury. The heart-sticker residue is important but it would have been more compelling if the state had shown a picture of heart stickers found in Casey's room. Steve Shaw, who testified to the hair was also interesting.

I'm a bit disappointed in the schedule being abruptly changed with the expectation that the state may finish their case in chief tomorrow or Wednesday, with the defense beginning on Wednesday or Thursday. My grandson's high-school graduation is on Thursday in a city 25 miles from here. We're having a family lunch in a restaurant there at noon, prior to the graduation ceremony, and a barbecue afterward. We expect to be gone all day, so I'll miss court that day. But I know everyone here will be posting all the important information and I'll have a lot to catch up on.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

That's the key word bolded there. This thought that the defense is "not required to prove their case" really is something of a myth. The defense does not technically have to prove that the crime did not occur. They do not have to prove that their client is innocent. They simply have to show that the state has not proven their case or cast doubts on the states case. So yes the onus of proof is on the prosecution. But while the defense does not have to provide concrete proof of their clients innocence, they do have to provide proof or at least some substantiation of their claims. Once they put it out there, they have to back it up. Otherwise the jury is perfectly free to disregard everything that the defense says or puts forward. Simply put while the defense is not required to prove their case. the jury is not required to believe a word the defense says without some sort of substantiation.

That makes sense to me. If KC ever told the truth in her life then, if she really did go to a counselor when she was 18 on her own like she said she did,
the DT should be able to substantiate that. I'm waiting to see something like that. If not, it's all smoke and mirrors imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What about the KioMarie chick? She could be a final witness....where does she live now

 

[2door73chevy]

I'm watching HLN and "Sunny" thinks ICA will take the stand and testify.

 

[Z-sleuth]

(SNIP)

I thought the FBI witness, Elizabeth Fontaine, was very interesting. She was concise and spoke directly to the jury. The heart-sticker residue is important but it would have been more compelling if the state had shown a picture of heart stickers found in Casey's room.

(SNIP)

The prosecution has GOT to tie up the loose ends on the heart-shaped sticker. That puts the killer and perhaps the murder in ICA's bedroom.

 

[GiantPickle]

Here's the thing that bugs me - people talk about George not calling the police that day and that being suspicious because he was LE. But someone correct me if I am wrong....wasn't LE called just a few hours later that same day by Cindy? Was it not the same day??

 

[Linda7NJ]

bbm

I don't think it's fair to characterize jurors as "slow" who have not been convinced by the evidence that has been provided by the State.

It is the burden of the State to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is the juror's burden to weigh the evidence presented, and come to a verdict based on what is known in a court of law; not on what is speculated, not on what has been reported or rumored or discussed outside a court of law.

It's simply my opinion that some jurors do NOT understand "reasonable doubt" and leave their common sense at the door of the deliberation room.

It's not beyond any and all doubt. I think some jurors can't grasp that concept. Sure monkeys could fly outta my butt....but in reality.... I can say beyond a reasonable doubt that will not happen. YKWIM?

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Is there no trial thread today?

 

[egnarts]

I believe WFTV has them or you can find them in our media links on the front page of the Caylee' Forum @ the top section....there are also witness testimony transcriptions by members during the trial to review as well.

Thanks! I've been to the transcripts, expecting to find OS transcript there, with no luck. I'll try media links. Thanks, again!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Here's the thing that bugs me - people talk about George not calling the police that day and that being suspicious because he was LE. But someone correct me if I am wrong....wasn't LE called just a few hours later that same day by Cindy? Was it not the same day??

It was the same day

 

[ThinkTank]

Originally Posted by JustMeDeb
bobkealing
#CaseyAnthony court papers filed today indicate Anthonys defense wants to call multiple scientists from the Body Farm.

Can they still call witnesses that were not previously listed?

Or can they call "experts" that they have not hired or put under contract?

AZLawyer said that the Defense can call State witnesses (body farm experts) in the Defense case even if they are not on the Defense witness list, and even if the State did not call their own witness during their case in chief.

 

[Leila]

I have 3 issues, hope someone can clarify for me...

first....is there really a home depot video or is that pure wishful thinking or speculation on our part?

second...the SA couldn't call any other witnesses today and/or tomorrow morning like the tattoo artist? is this witness they're waiting on their last witness?

third....was the diary of days ever entered into evidence? The blog entry or note or whatever that ICA allegedly wrote that says something like "trust no one, only yourself, everyone lies, everyone dies" etc?

All good questions.................

I don't know about the Home Depot video - that's something that's only recently been discussed, and I'm not sure where it originated.

I wondered too why the state didn't put another witness on the stand. They may have several more witnesses, but the one they're waiting for is pivotal to the ones that they'll call after that witness - in other words, the witness they're waiting for will lay the ground work for those that follow.

The Diary of Days has not been admitted into evidence although in the March hearings HHBP ruled that it would come in.

 

[Anakerie]

Didn't the media report a couple days ago that ICA's jail penpal Robyn had been moved to the Orange County jail?? Is she there to testify in this case or is she there for some other case???

 

[ThinkTank]

Is there no trial thread today?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139904"]2011.06.13 TRIAL Day Seventeen (Morning Session) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

here it is

 

[JenniferTx]

I'm watching HLN and "Sunny" thinks ICA will take the stand and testify.

I wish Casey would take the stand because they would chew her up and spit her out. If she does take the stand that will be yet another thing she will wish she hadn't done.

I'm sure Casey is wishing the following were never invented:

1. the internet
2. store video cameras
3. forensic science - forensic experts for everything you could possibly imagine
4. cell phones

 

[ThinkTank]

Didn't the media report a couple days ago that ICA's jail penpal Robyn had been moved to the Orange County jail?? Is she there to testify in this case or is she there for some other case???

She is on both the State and the Defense witness list ....

 

[tragco]

For those wanting to watch the opening statements or any particular day of the trial this is a great link. I know they are out there on Youtube too but this is a great page that has them all lined up:

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28083402/detail.html