2011.06.21 - SA investigating if Casey got defense theory from inmate.

[summerthyme]

Hi All, I am new here. Just thought I would chime in on this thread. I used to work in the prison system (6 years). It is VERY easy for inmates to communicate with one another. Either thru the ventilation system like previously mentioned, correctional officers' WILL pass notes (although forbidden), and the prison that I worked at had inmate workers that would clean, serve trays, etc...

I worked at a prison too, and my hubby is an Associate Warden in a different prison at present, and has been doing this since 1975. Inmates can talk out loud and do, and ICA being adjacent could easily overhear a convo. I think she obviously did.

When I worked in a prison it was very loud, and I heard all sort of stuff and I wasn't trying. We had two segregated inmates on my unit (Medical) and they blabbed out to any other inamate or employee within earshot.

This just isn't difficult at all.

 

[kssgdby]

Whose to say that JB didn't overhear it or found out about it during one of his visits to the jail. He came highly recommended by other inmates according to ICA so maybe he came up with the story for ICA.

 

[Americka]

A link to Casey's Jailhouse Letters for those who are interested...

 

[Cubby]

Thinking outloud. Who is to say ICA heard the information about the 17 mo old toddler drowning from and inmate an not on the news. After all she saw her daughters remains had been found by way of the news so why not the story about the 17 mo old?

If the inmate who lost her child didn't speak to ICA directly, how many inmates would they have to interview?

I'm not as excited about this possibility as others seem to be.... too many holes in it imo if the info wasn't first hand from the mother who lost her child to ICA.

jmo

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

Maybe I am dense from expert witness testimony today, but I don't quite understand what the big deal is about April W. I can't see it getting into court, even if they could prove ICA heard the story, the story is that unusual as to where you couldn't say ICA just made it up herself. Everyone was talking about Caylee possibly drowning, so ICA just threw her dad in there so she can say none of it was her fault. I just don't see this as being that signifigant, but maybe I'm missing it.

 

[SMK]

Maybe I am dense from expert witness testimony today, but I don't quite understand what the big deal is about April W. I can't see it getting into court, even if they could prove ICA heard the story, the story is that unusual as to where you couldn't say ICA just made it up herself. Everyone was talking about Caylee possibly drowning, so ICA just threw her dad in there so she can say none of it was her fault. I just don't see this as being that signifigant, but maybe I'm missing it.

No, I had mentioned this before. That toddler drownings and a parent/grandparent finding them are common enough; it is not like the story the defense used is so rare that if it appeared elsewhere, it had to be copied. I personally knew someone whose child drowned, and the grandfather found the child, in the 1970s. It was in a creek, but it has the same cast of characters.

 

[Della]

I do see a very strong resemblance:

 

[SMK]

I do see a very strong resemblance:

When you put them side by side, it is clearer. But Casey has an eerie intensity to her eyes that is unique, and gives her a very aggressive look the other girl does not have. Thanks for posting this!

 

[Aedrys]

I think it's just something else the SA is looking into. They haven't subpoenaed her nor have they deposed her. They didn't even go looking for her - someone called OSCO with a tip. April Whalen is NOT the SA's Vasco. They haven't even said they are even going to use her. I think they are just covering their bases in the event Casey gets on the stand - which is about a thousand times more unlikely after today. And even then, I don't think they will use April Whelan unless a solid connection to Casey can be made. I give the SA a lot of credit for being way smarter than the defense, who is deposing Vasco for no reason other than ego.

Grrrrrr!!!! Those talking heads drive me crazy.

 

[TiaM]

When you put them side by side, it is clearer. But Casey has an eerie intensity to her eyes that is unique, and gives her a very aggressive look the other girl does not have. Thanks for posting this!

Another victim of ICA. This gal certainly has enough problems and heartaches of her own. Just what she needed, to get connected to the sociopath.

 

[GeekyGirl]

Maybe I am dense from expert witness testimony today, but I don't quite understand what the big deal is about April W. I can't see it getting into court, even if they could prove ICA heard the story, the story is that unusual as to where you couldn't say ICA just made it up herself. Everyone was talking about Caylee possibly drowning, so ICA just threw her dad in there so she can say none of it was her fault. I just don't see this as being that signifigant, but maybe I'm missing it.

I actually don't see the significance either. I actually thought the drowning part was the only plausible part of her defense, because it's one of leading causes of accidental deaths in kids. Seemed like if it wasn't accidental, it was no brainer thing to blame it on. Besides, it seemed like if it were a complete Casey fabrication, it would be more elaborate than simple drowning. MOO

 

[WillenFan21]

IMO there has to be more to it. If the state is doing a full on investigation of this there has got to be more. MOO

 

[LambChop]

I think it's just something else the SA is looking into. They haven't subpoenaed her nor have they deposed her. They didn't even go looking for her - someone called OSCO with a tip. April Whalen is NOT the SA's Vasco. They haven't even said they are even going to use her. I think they are just covering their bases in the event Casey gets on the stand - which is about a thousand times more unlikely after today. And even then, I don't think they will use April Whelan unless a solid connection to Casey can be made. I give the SA a lot of credit for being way smarter than the defense, who is deposing Vasco for no reason other than ego.

Grrrrrr!!!! Those talking heads drive me crazy.

Plus they have an obligation to disclose this to defense.

But, if this is true it will show the jury you just can't believe anything KC says, including what defense claims about her father and brother. For their sake, I hope it can be proven. Someone needs to stop the lies, now.

 

[SyraKelly]

The producer on JVM said she spoke to AW on the phone and AW said she was a few cells away from Casey,but never spoke to her.So Casey had to hear the story elsewhere and if that is the case-I do not think the SA can use it for it would be hearsay.

 

[GeekyGirl]

Slightly off topic, but since I we're talking about Casey's lies and jail... They played the tape today of Lee talking to Casey about how she found Baez, and she starts doing the whole "more details than necessary" thing. Is there any chance she found Baez before she was arrested? Not that it matters, I suppose, I just found it odd,

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

I think it's just something else the SA is looking into. They haven't subpoenaed her nor have they deposed her. They didn't even go looking for her - someone called OSCO with a tip. April Whalen is NOT the SA's Vasco. They haven't even said they are even going to use her. I think they are just covering their bases in the event Casey gets on the stand - which is about a thousand times more unlikely after today. And even then, I don't think they will use April Whelan unless a solid connection to Casey can be made. I give the SA a lot of credit for being way smarter than the defense, who is deposing Vasco for no reason other than ego.

Grrrrrr!!!! Those talking heads drive me crazy.

Funny thing is, we wouldn't even be talking about this if JB hasn't brought it up in court today and LBD has to explain the whole thing. Now it's just more talk and speculation against ICA. :loser:

 

[veejaye]

JB is way over his head. IMHO, he is incompetent. He had three years to prepare. Vasco is right, it's a "mess."

 

[cleo612]

I have not yet had a chance to read this thread, and will not have time to do so for a few more hours. That being said, I just had to come in to make a statement/ask a question--I do not know if these thoughts have been discussed already.

April was incarcerated a few cells down from the inmate.

We know from previous sworn testimony in depositions that the inmate was allowed visits with another inmate (Robyn), and may have been afforded other freedoms of which we may or may not have knowledge.

Now supposedly April has been interviewed by some talking heads today. She denies knowing or ever speaking to the inmate.

We all know how easy it is for rumors and conversations to spread throughout a jail cell block--word can spread like wildfire.

My thoughts are that it is possible that an inmate may have known April and started talking with another about what had happened to April's little son. Word could have easily come back around to the inmate. It is also possible that April herself shared the story about her son with another inmate and it got back to the infamous one.

Does anyone else know how April's incarceration correlates to the freedoms that the inmate was enjoying early on in the case?

I can't remember when it was that the whole thing happened with Robyn, but it seems that if the inmate was permitted so many freedoms to move around the jail cell block, then it is certainly highly possible that she overheard any number of conversations regarding April's little son.

 

[ahoyhoy]

I think it's just something else the SA is looking into. They haven't subpoenaed her nor have they deposed her. They didn't even go looking for her - someone called OSCO with a tip. April Whalen is NOT the SA's Vasco. They haven't even said they are even going to use her. I think they are just covering their bases in the event Casey gets on the stand - which is about a thousand times more unlikely after today. And even then, I don't think they will use April Whelan unless a solid connection to Casey can be made. I give the SA a lot of credit for being way smarter than the defense, who is deposing Vasco for no reason other than ego.

Grrrrrr!!!! Those talking heads drive me crazy.

I saw it as a 'shot across the bow' from SA. I'm sure they're confident in their ability to cross ICA, but at this point her only way to prove an 'accident' is to testify. If she chooses to testify and somehow does well, she could get a hung jury or not guilty on Murder 1. LDB wants to discourage ICA by showing they know EVERYTHING about her. Including the other nugget today---that the computer doesn't match ICA & DT story---and iCA SHOULD BE well discouraged. JMO.
But as I understand , her attorney can't stop her if she insists on taking the stand. Please Lord make it Saturday.

 

[TiaM]

The producer on JVM said she spoke to AW on the phone and AW said she was a few cells away from Casey,but never spoke to her.So Casey had to hear the story elsewhere and if that is the case-I do not think the SA can use it for it would be hearsay.

The story was on the news in Orlando. ICA seeing it on the news is not hearsay. Nor is overhearing people talking in the jail about it. Nor is asking a CO or deputy (in transit to and from hearings) hearsay if she asked "what's her story?". No one is saying April Whalen SAID anything, just that ICA heard what happened to her and her family.