2011.07.11 Greta Van Sustern interview with Jury Foreperson

[MustlyLurking]

i find it laughable (and sickening at the same time) that he distrusts George because he remembers more about the last time he saw his granddaughter than he does about a gas can... Is that really hard to understand, why he MIGHT be more prone to remember something as important as Caylee, but not remember some duct tape or gas can that he had for 20 years? I mean, you consider that a sign of guilt, but not Casey's ridiculous lies and 31 days? It makes no sense.

I noticed this one, too. I would bet that GA misses Caylee like crazy.

 

[travelgal]

The way #2 described it is ,the first vote was for Felony 1 ,not NG.
Then it was 6-6 on the manslaughter .
There was some heavy duty "convincing" going on in that room,IMO.
Now I want to hear from the other jurors. I want to see if anyone has the guts to tell the real story,because their is one.

I agree Miss James - I can't wait for one of the "sheep" to speak out about the goings on in that jury room! Then we might have the real story. :maddening:

 

[MissJames]

PE teachers have to have at least a Bachelor of Science in Education programs with emphasis on physical education. Do you not think that maybe earning a 4-year degree requires quite a bit reading? It's not just about shooting hoops. :crazy:

Hahahah. I mis-READ your statement. Oooops.

So, on that note, he is a teacher. Do teachers not have to learn to "read" their students. I would guess it's a pretty fundamental part of any teaching job. I am not sure why there is a need to make fun of people based on their professions? Please enlighten me. I am trying to understand here what point there is in bashing these jurors. I mean, please go ahead and critique them but making fun of them just doesn't sit very well with me I guess. (Obviously I am not able to stop posting!) Haha.

Respectfully,almost every post has a reason included. They did not follow jury instructions based on the statements of the jurors who have spoken.
The frustration that 12 people blew off evidence in favor of speculation,that they ignored the jury instruction,that 6 voted guilty of manslaughter and were rather quickly convinced to change their stance, kind of makes me a little snippy,a little sarcastic ,and a lot angry.

 

[KathrynL]

After reading the statements of the alternates and the foreperson, and reading and (unfortunately) hearing/seeing #3-I have to say if it wasn't so (expletive deleted) tragic it would be hilarious. It would be an SNL parody. Who can fathom that even 4 (expletive deleted) <modsnips> could ever come together and make such <unusual> leaps of fancy? Seriously. :crazy:

 

[MarthaM]

I understand how many people could disagree vehemently with what the jurors so far have had to say about the case.

What I can't understand is how anybody can mock them for what they do for a living and other aspects of their personal lives.

 

[mikeysmommom]

http://www.youtube.com/user/barlababe?feature=mhee

I do not know if it is okay to post this here.
Did not see it at first but then it gave me chills

 

[katydid23]

I liked the part where he said he was good at reading people because he had to do that in his profession. Really, you have to be able to read high school kids in PE?

Sure. He has to be able to 'read' the kids to see if they really have a side ache and cannot run anymore or if they are just being lazy.

 

[gladiatorqueen]

I understand how many people could disagree vehemently with what the jurors so far have had to say about the case.

What I can't understand is how anybody can mock them for what they do for a living and other aspects of their personal lives.

Me too. I am finding that very upsetting.

 

[MissJames]

I really wish they would do something about this travesty! If they did not follow instructions,did not even realize lesser charges meant no DP then how is this verdict legal? I feel there should be an investigation of the Jury something is really wrong here,nothing any of the jurors has said makes any sense! Also when picking jury the chef was asked about talking after the trial he said he would not seek out press,first thing he does is get an agent WTH!Was it even legal for AF to ask Jurors about sex abuse when picking them out?Not a speck of truth was proven by the DT about any abuse.It really was like watching My Cousin Vinny but at least that defendant was innocent! This was not Justice it was a Mockery of Justice IMO.

I don't know what is required to investigate juror misconduct . Surely the SAO is following this closely.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I don't know what is required to investigate juror misconduct . Surely the SAO is following this closely.

I hope they are.

 

[MissJames]

I understand how many people could disagree vehemently with what the jurors so far have had to say about the case.

What I can't understand is how anybody can mock them for what they do for a living and other aspects of their personal lives.

I don't think anyone was mocking his job.It was his statement about being good at reading people in reference to his job. Kind of overstating his job description .He also clearly is very impressed with himself. I find that unattractive.

 

[SaltyTexan]

Might be. But try reading a sociopath, different ball game teach!!!

Than you for saying that!

Case in point, the Jaycee Dugard interview on Sunday, as far as I'm concerned Phillip Garrido just screamed "sociopath" in every way, and yet he received a commendation from the parole board!
Go figure.

 

[clv129]

this interview was a disgrace... is he the one who talked everyone into acquittal? IMHO someone on the jury DELIBERATELY gave the rest of them a false interpretation of the judge's instructions...

 

[Solange82200]

I don't think anyone was mocking his job.It was his statement about being good at reading people in reference to his job. Kind of overstating his job description .He also clearly is very impressed with himself. I find that unattractive.

What my issue is someone who is a gym teacher, which is a great job but has nothing to do with law enforcement, trying to do the job of a detective which is not what he was called to do in jury duty. I just think it's arrogant to assume the George was this guilty murderer and he knows better than the detectives who worked tirelessly on this case for three years.

 

[katydid23]

I understand how many people could disagree vehemently with what the jurors so far have had to say about the case.

What I can't understand is how anybody can mock them for what they do for a living and other aspects of their personal lives.

I don't think they are being mocked for their professions. It seems more like it is about some of the silly judgments and statements they have collectively made. I am sure you have seen these inconsistencies listed in many threads.

And for me personally, it is not because of the verdict. I had NO anger towards this jury at all at first. Not until they began talking. And when I heard the litany of errors, CRITICAL LEGAL ERRORS, that they made, then I became angry.

They have made it clear that they bought Baez's Opening statement and then ignored everything the state put forward. The one juror even said that George may have been the killer! Talk about basing his verdict upon wild speculation.

So then when he says he bases this opinion, on George being involved, on his abilities to read people, and says it was because he was 'only 10 feet away and can read people because of his job' then one might expect his job was in the mental health field or criminal justice. But he is a high school PE teacher. So how does that give him the ability to decide, AND THEN HELP CONVINCE THE REST OF THE JURY, that George is guilty, and CASEY IS NOT.

 

[Bobbisangel]

CM said that. Juror #11 never said that. The foreman never said anything like that. The WS poster thought that Greta was quoting the foreman, but she was quoting CM. It was the same On the Record show last night. First she interviewed the jury foreman, and then CM.


MASON: What of know of Casey she an incredibly likeable person despite the lynch mob mentality on the street. To talk to her a just few minutes is to like her. She is very bright very articulate. She's got guts. She is as tough as they come.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-th...hose-who-have-threatened-jurors#ixzz1RwnDC4tA

Well, she had better be tough because she has no idea what she is going to face once she gets out here in the real world. She has no idea how people feel about her..nome at all. She thinks everyone sees her as she sees herself...I don't even dare write what I think of her and I doubt that she sees herself as I see her. I don't see anything beautiful or pretty about her...never have. Now that little darling Caylee...she was the beauty in my eyes.

 

[lauriej]

..it absolutely amazes me that LE can work so hard ( and professionally ) gathering the evidence, interviewing numerous witnesses, the forensics, etc etc-------the SAO working ( professionally ) putting the case together----( and GRRRRRRRRRRRR---missing out on time with their OWN kids for 3 years to see justice served )..

..present their case in court ( let's assume here even-- that both the state and defense are knowledgeable professionals ) putting forth their case/defense as the law allows.

..and then-------after all of that (professional) work-------the "final answer" is handed off to 12 ( possibly clueless!!! ) individuals------who don't understand what they're doing !!!!?????

..we KNOW they didn't "get" the jury instructions.

..jeffA (interview with kathiB) was "very surprised" that they didn't have ANY questions on the law-( UN--usual)--OR ask to see any of the evidence not in the room with them-----like the jail audios/transcripts/etc etc.

..judgeS says that they did NOT understand that circumstantial evidence IS evidence--- that MOST murder cases ARE circumstantial-----and they didn't understand that reasonable doubt does not mean all doubt.

..as a judge, he also goes back TO talk to the jurors on questions on the law ------( and yet these brainiacs didn't feel the need to ask EVER??? b/c the gym/health teacher had it covered??)

..juror#2 wasn't backing down off of kc committing count 3--aggravated manslaughter----until he had to check off the "special finding" that went with it.

..defense special finding:
kc was a caregiver of caylee when she died.
kc was NOT a caregiver of caylee when she died.

( i guess he was forced to admit that murdering someone wouldn't be giving them nice care.)

..just unbelievable.

 

[katydid23]

PE teachers have to have at least a Bachelor of Science in Education programs with emphasis on physical education. Do you not think that maybe earning a 4-year degree requires quite a bit reading? It's not just about shooting hoops. :crazy:

Hahahah. I mis-READ your statement. Oooops.

So, on that note, he is a teacher. Do teachers not have to learn to "read" their students. I would guess it's a pretty fundamental part of any teaching job. I am not sure why there is a need to make fun of people based on their professions? Please enlighten me. I am trying to understand here what point there is in bashing these jurors. I mean, please go ahead and critique them but making fun of them just doesn't sit very well with me I guess. (Obviously I am not able to stop posting!) Haha.

Bottom line. He said he was only 10 feet away from George, close enough that he could 'read' him. Read him well enough to figure out that George was likely the GUILTY one, and Casey was NOT GUILTY. Possibly even GUILTY of murdering his granddaughter.

And HOW did he gain this ability to make a judgment like that, while throwing out all of the states expert's, and accepting as FACT the DT's opening fairy tale? He learned to read people on his job as a high school PE teacher. THAT is why he is being mocked. He has said straight out that HE PERSONALLY helped convince 6 of the the jurors to change their votes and go with NOT GUILTY. AND HE BASED THAT DECISION ON HIS ABILITY TO 'READ' GEORGE.

 

[Nova24]

Juror #11 sounded very controlling. It even felt like he was trying to control Greta during the IV. He was telling her when she would have more questions and what they would be at certain points. If he does this with someone like Greta I have no doubt he controlled that jury as well. The jurors however are also accountable. If they felt strongly they shouldn't have been bullied or backed down.

Juror #11 thinks he is very bright and he is very impressed with himself. Unfortunately for Caylee he doesn't see that he was played by a pathological liar and master manipulator. For all his smarts he didn't even understand the jury instructions. Christmas should be interesting in that house as his brother is with the FBI.

 

[Nova24]

Well, she had better be tough because she has no idea what she is going to face once she gets out here in the real world. She has no idea how people feel about her..nome at all. She thinks everyone sees her as she sees herself...I don't even dare write what I think of her and I doubt that she sees herself as I see her. I don't see anything beautiful or pretty about her...never have. Now that little darling Caylee...she was the beauty in my eyes.

I do think the DT needs to have a very frank talk with her between now and Sunday. They need to flat out lay it on the line and let her know people by and large despise her. Most think she killed her daughter and got away with it. Not everyone bought into her lies.