2012.02.07 - 911 Tapes Released

[Softail]

The 911 operator should be charged with negligence and child endangerment for his idiotic actions!

I disagree! While he did not seem as sympathetic as most want him to... he was doing was doing his job! 911 dispatchers have a very very tough job. They have to gather information. He had no way of knowting what was going to happen. He had to treat the call as it was. A woman calling concerned about children ...... From her first call, it seems like a domestic, or a family matter. I really wish people would quit with the blame. JP and JP alone was to blame.

Unless you know what 911 dispatchers go through or how they work, you should not be so quick to judge. :twocents:

 

[Paige SC]

Is there a link to all of the 911 calls with time of calls?

I don't think that's been released (time stamps) just yet. I am also anxious to hear. I think the time line is crucial in understanding response time (starting when the JP locked the door, to when 911 was first called, to when the explosion took place to when the first emergency responders arrived. We don't know so to speculate nothing could have been done different is a bit premature, imho.

 

[~n/t~]

I agree completely, but I don't think the answers will be found in changing anything the case worker did that day.

No not her fault at all but perhaps if visitation took place where the murder suspect of his missing wife would've taken place in a restricted area like a court house or what if this poor case worker was escorted by LE?

Like I said, I don't have the answers but something needs fixing. NOW!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Josh Powell's estranged sister says brother 'realized he was losing control'


She learned soon after the blast that the boys suffered from injuries by the hands of their father. Her husband told Graves autopsy reports said the boys's bodies showed evidence of receiving hatchet wounds before the gasoline-fueled explosion.

"When he told me Tuesday morning, it pretty much threw me back into hysterics to think of those babies suffered. It was more than I could take," said Graves.

Graves balks at the thought the legal system and public spotlight drove Josh Powell to carrying out the murders.

"There is no broken system here. Josh was broken. Josh did this and to blame anyone else for him taking a hatchet to their neck and blowing them up and causing them to suffer to their last breaths that it's wrong to say anyone else is at fault here," says Graves.

Graves believes that Josh was "losing control" of maintaining his innocence in the disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/thesea...he-was-losing-control-20120208,0,779348.story

 

[Yoda]

I'm confused. If the pastor said he helped with the supervised visits and they were at his house when did that change and why?

 

[Just K]

JP destroyed the lives of countless innocent people. He killed three people and himself and he destroyed the hopes and dreams of all of the people who ever loved him, Susan and the boys. He is wholly responsible for all of this pain & suffering.

My heart, and I am merely a stranger, breaks for EVERYONE who is left to pick of the battered pieces of what was once their life.

 

[Paige SC]

Josh Powell's estranged sister says brother 'realized he was losing control'


She learned soon after the blast that the boys suffered from injuries by the hands of their father. Her husband told Graves autopsy reports said the boys's bodies showed evidence of receiving hatchet wounds before the gasoline-fueled explosion.

"When he told me Tuesday morning, it pretty much threw me back into hysterics to think of those babies suffered. It was more than I could take," said Graves.

Graves balks at the thought the legal system and public spotlight drove Josh Powell to carrying out the murders.

"There is no broken system here. Josh was broken. Josh did this and to blame anyone else for him taking a hatchet to their neck and blowing them up and causing them to suffer to their last breaths that it's wrong to say anyone else is at fault here," says Graves.

Graves believes that Josh was "losing control" of maintaining his innocence in the disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/thesea...he-was-losing-control-20120208,0,779348.story

I could care less what any member of the Powell family has to say. Truly. I also believe the system IS broken. While JP may have been determined to kill his kids, I would feel just a WEEEE bit better if he had to work just a LITTLE TINY BIT harder to pull it off.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

komonews komonews.com
Latest in Powell case from @AP: Log: Deputy was dispatched 8 minutes after Powell 911 call, arrived on scene after 21 minutes

https://twitter.com/#!/komonews

 

[Just K]

komonews komonews.com
Latest in Powell case from @AP: Log: Deputy was dispatched 8 minutes after Powell 911 call, arrived on scene after 21 minutes

https://twitter.com/#!/komonews

Well, that just takes the cake! Everything went wrong that possibly could have. With the exception of other innocents dying, too. I guess that is something we can all be thankful for. With that I am going to go climb under a rock, now. Just thought with my social services background I would add what I can.

BTW, I left the field years ago because, even back in 1991, there was no fighting or going up against the judicial system/Juvenile Justice system. If changes are to be made, it is going to have to start there. They say they make decisions that are "in the best interest of the child" but perhaps what is best for the children needs to be re-evaluated!

 

[Paige SC]

komonews komonews.com
Latest in Powell case from @AP: Log: Deputy was dispatched 8 minutes after Powell 911 call, arrived on scene after 21 minutes

https://twitter.com/#!/komonews

8 minutes after the 7 minute 911 phone call?

 

[Just K]

8 minutes after the 7 minute 911 phone call?

So, I wonder if that means that it only took LE 6 minutes to get there after being dispatched? Because if that is true, they would have arrived before the house exploded...if they had been dispatched immediately upon the caseworkers call.

 

[Kimster]

I'm confused. If the pastor said he helped with the supervised visits and they were at his house when did that change and why?

Hello Yoda, my fellow alien! :alien:

I think the answer has been discussed in this thread --->[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162046"]Parental rights vs. child safety (Was there any reason Josh was awarded visits?) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Paige SC]

So, I wonder if that means that it only took LE 6 minutes to get there after being dispatched? Because if that is true, they would have arrived before the house exploded...if they had been dispatched immediately upon the caseworkers call.

I really want a time line starting with the delayed 911 call. It sounds like from the little bit of info out there, there was a 15 - 25 minute window of opportunity (rough estimate only). Which sleuther here is really good at time lines

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Pierce County, home to about 800,000 people, has an enhanced 911 system that is designed to give police an approximate location of the cell phone caller. It wasn't immediately clear if the call center used that feature to locate the social worker.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Log-8-minutes-to-dispatch-deputies-to-Powell-home--138979884.html

 

[Just K]

I gtg, this is just unbearable...the poor woman asked if she could be located by GPS....Goodnight All.

 

[suzihawk]

Pierce County, home to about 800,000 people, has an enhanced 911 system that is designed to give police an approximate location of the cell phone caller. It wasn't immediately clear if the call center used that feature to locate the social worker.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Log-8-minutes-to-dispatch-deputies-to-Powell-home--138979884.html

Hmm... that's interesting. Didn't the dispatcher tell the SW he couldn't locate her by GPS?

 

[nursebeeme]

I really want a time line starting with the delayed 911 call. It sounds like from the little bit of info out there, there was a 15 - 25 minute window of opportunity (rough estimate only). Which sleuther here is really good at time lines

I am awesome at timelines

HOWEVER

I don't understand why we need a timeline in the emergency response to this tragedy at all at this moment...

That is just my opinion (and yes I am still shell shocked from the news of what happened)

I am just not in the mood whatsoever to pick apart the response of people who were helping in this situation. they are all victims in my book.

:twocents:

 

[LinasK]

Pierce County, home to about 800,000 people, has an enhanced 911 system that is designed to give police an approximate location of the cell phone caller. It wasn't immediately clear if the call center used that feature to locate the social worker.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Log-8-minutes-to-dispatch-deputies-to-Powell-home--138979884.html

Hmm... that's interesting. Didn't the dispatcher tell the SW he couldn't locate her by GPS?

As a spouse of an AT&T employee, I can tell you that a cell tower cannot pinpoint the exact location of a phone, only within a 1 mile radius of where it pings. However, my Iphone has a Maps app, that has a GPS on it, so when we were lost in San Francisco a week ago, I was able to give the driver directions off my phone!
Also, previously, a poster stated it was a rule to not carry a cell phone into the house. I think this is wrong info. I was a home-health speech pathologist for many years. We always had cell phones on our person and pagers, because you don't know what kind of home situation you are walking into- such as in this case! It's a basic safety issue, but having to go get her phone and moving her car probably saved this woman's life!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I am awesome at timelines

HOWEVER

I don't understand why we need a timeline in the emergency response to this tragedy at all at this moment...

That is just my opinion (and yes I am still shell shocked from the news of what happened)

I am just not in the mood whatsoever to pick apart the response of people who were helping in this situation. they are all victims in my book.

:twocents:

Well said!

I feel the same.

 

[KMouse]

Hmm... that's interesting. Didn't the dispatcher tell the SW he couldn't locate her by GPS?

The closest location would probably have been a latitude & longitude with a radius. The radius can narrow it down quite close or it can be miles. I am not sure why different radius' are obtained.