2016.01.07 Docs - Batch 3 Photos *WARNING - GRAPHIC*

[Scout]

I agree. It could be a sheet that the body was wrapped in to preserve trace evidence while removing from the scene for transfer to the ME lab.

Admittedly, we can see very little of the sheet, so it's difficult to form an opinion on the bloodstains. From what little is visible, I see mainly saturation stains, transfer stains, and drip patterns. There appear to be some drip or transfer stains that were deposited on the fabric prior to the saturation stains. This is all consistent with the fabric coming in contact with the body after the actual assault. I see only a few stains that could possibly be spatter, but there isn't enough visible to be certain if they are or are not spatter. My initial impression is that they are not.

There should be more photos of this fabric in a manner where all of it is visible, particularly if it is actually evidence.

If it is a sheet used to preserve trace evidence, I would expect it to have been photographed as it is here and then packaged for transport to a forensics lab for examination and collection of any trace evidence it might contain -- hair, fibers, particles.

Pardon me for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this. If the white fabric is indeed a sheet used to wrap the body for transport, it would most likely have been photographed on the body after removal from the body bag and then removed for packaging for the lab.

Another reason to doubt that it was actually involved in the murder is that it would be highly improper to collect it in a heap such as this because it can result in transfer of blood from one part of the fabric to another thereby rendering it useless for bloodstain pattern analysis.

ETA: Proper procedure is to hang or lay flat to air dry and then wrap it between layers of paper.

 

[atthelake]

Pardon me for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this. If the white fabric is indeed a sheet used to wrap the body for transport, it would most likely have been photographed on the body after removal from the body bag and then removed for packaging for the lab.

Another reason to doubt that it was actually involved in the murder is that it would be highly improper to collect it in a heap such as this because it can result in transfer of blood from one part of the fabric to another thereby rendering it useless for bloodstain pattern analysis.

ETA: Proper procedure is to hang or lay flat to air dry and then wrap it between layers of paper.

But prior to that proper procedure, wouldn't it be proper procedure to lift it from the trash can and photograph it in better light bundled up as it was found?

 

[irishchook]

Pardon me for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this. If the white fabric is indeed a sheet used to wrap the body for transport, it would most likely have been photographed on the body after removal from the body bag and then removed for packaging for the lab.

Another reason to doubt that it was actually involved in the murder is that it would be highly improper to collect it in a heap such as this because it can result in transfer of blood from one part of the fabric to another thereby rendering it useless for bloodstain pattern analysis.

ETA: Proper procedure is to hang or lay flat to air dry and then wrap it between layers of paper.

I agree Scout. I would hope extra care would be taken with that type of evidence.
I only put the comparison out there because the layout of the fabric looked similar to to bloodied fabric.

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[Helper9693]

The thing that bothers me about scarf, sheet, pillowcase...whatever it is...is that it looks like it had blood on it...then got wet. Otherwise wouldn't it just be dark spots everywhere...maybe smeared...but not large areas of semi-washed out blood...I'm thinking.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Pardon me for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this. If the white fabric is indeed a sheet used to wrap the body for transport, it would most likely have been photographed on the body after removal from the body bag and then removed for packaging for the lab.

Another reason to doubt that it was actually involved in the murder is that it would be highly improper to collect it in a heap such as this because it can result in transfer of blood from one part of the fabric to another thereby rendering it useless for bloodstain pattern analysis.

ETA: Proper procedure is to hang or lay flat to air dry and then wrap it between layers of paper.

Could it have been found at the crime scene balled up as shown in the pic and was photographed at the crime scene as such?

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[Helper9693]

First time looking at the hammer and hair picture up close...Do killers leave a signature or a calling card? That's what it reminds me of because it is so obviously staged. I'm not a regular sleuther so I don't know much about killers.

 

[Scout]

But prior to that proper procedure, wouldn't it be proper procedure to lift it from the trash can and photograph it in better light bundled up as it was found?

In my experience, no. It would be photographed in place and then removed to dry before packaging. It would later be photographed as necessary to document the bloodstain patterns, and it would be thoroughly examined for trace evidence. Photos taken after removing from a trash can in the manner suggested would have no evidentiary value.

FWIW, I don't believe this is the same item photographed in the trash can.

 

[Scout]

Could it have been found at the crime scene balled up as shown in the pic and was photographed at the crime scene as such?

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If it was found at the crime scene, it would definitely have been photographed in place before being disturbed in any way. Multiple photos would be taken -- at the very least, photos showing where it was found in relation to the scene as well as its position and proximity to other evidence (such as the body), and a frame-filling photo of the item as found in its original undisturbed state. There would be photos with and without evidence markers and scale.

 

[No it's not]

Notice the measurement is metric. 1 centimeter is 0.38 inches, or 1 inch are 2.54 centimeters:

Cloth:

app. est. 19 x 18 inches

 

[Scout]

I don't mean to dissuade any other speculation about the fabric. Frankly, we don't know enough about it to determine what it is or what place it has in this crime. I'm sure there is more documentation of it that isn't in our possession yet. Just offering my two cents.

 

[Scout]

One thing of note is that Dr. Petrites made no mention of such a cloth in describing the scene as he found it. From his statements, it seems that he had an unobstructed view of TS's head since he described that it appeared she had been bashed in the back of the head.

The detectives and officers who were first on the scene described no such cloth either. Reference their sworn affidavits in TS_Documents 1 Searchable Combined.

 

[SeesSeas]

One thing of note is that Dr. Petrites made no mention of such a cloth in describing the scene as he found it. From his statements, it seems that he had an unobstructed view of TS's head since he described that it appeared she had been bashed in the back of the head.

The detectives and officers who were first on the scene described no such cloth either. Reference their sworn affidavits in TS_Documents 1 Searchable Combined.

I think the blood-stained ivory cloth was around her neck or shoulder area and might have appeared to be part of the clothing she was wearing. So, it might not have seemed unusual for MP to notice. She was wearing a simple sleeveless summer dress that had a sport-style T-back. This cloth could have looked like a scarf or shawl type of garment around her upper body.

BATES 5286 - SWORN STATEMENT of MP 6/29/15 - Doc Dump 2 Binder 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8bjduM3RsYzNCak0/view?pref=2&pli=1
JN: You saw what she was wearing. Would she travel in that clothing?
MP: Um, I - - I don’t know.
JN: Okay.
MP: I - - I didn’t pay that much attention to it. I don’t even know if she had shoes on. I - - I don’t know.

 

[travelbug]

I tracked down the dress Dr. Sievers was wearing and thought these pictures might prove useful for comparison. The staining pattern on the front of the dress, in the crime scene, made me wonder whether the unidentified fabric was from the lining of the dress.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

I think the blood-stained ivory cloth was around her neck area and might have appeared to be part of the clothing she was wearing. So, it might not have seemed unusual for MP to notice. She was wearing a simple sleeveless summer dress that had a sport-style T-back. This cloth could have looked like a scarf or shawl type of garment around her upper body.

BATES 5286 - SWORN STATEMENT of MP 6/29/15 - Doc Dump 2 Binder 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8bjduM3RsYzNCak0/view?pref=2&pli=1
JN: You saw what she was wearing. Would she travel in that clothing?
MP: Um, I - - I don’t know.
JN: Okay.
MP: I - - I didn’t pay that much attention to it. I don’t even know if she had shoes on. I - - I don’t know.

Good point. All we can do is speculate for now.

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[debbiegarcia36]

I tracked down the dress Dr. Sievers was wearing and thought these pictures might prove useful for comparison. The staining pattern on the front of the dress, in the crime scene, made me wonder whether the unidentified fabric was from the lining of the dress.

Wow. Good job finding this pic.

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[creepingskills]

Maybe the white fabric (whatever kind of thing it is) was used to subdue TS, wrapping it around her neck?

 

[Timekeeper65]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8TDZwcUNoZTA4Yzg/view?pref=2&pli=1

Bates 29606 - 29613, pictures #6 - 13, labeled as laundry room. There appears to be two large stains.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8N0liQlppRjVmdzg/view?pref=2&pli=1. This batch labeled "clean up evidence."

I don't recall a discussion about the laundry room stains. Does anyone think those were blood stains? Is it possible one of the perps was injured and attempted clean up? Just wondering.

 

[creepingskills]

Let me preface by saying I don't know much about children, and this note is heartbreaking. What happened though? It seems like there was a conflict before TS left. Was regular every day kid antics, or whether the girls were upset/acting out because they wanted to stay with TS? Like I said, I have nothing to base this on, maybe my own behavior as a kid. MS is probably a lazy parent, lazier without TS around and I'm sure kids pick up on that, favored TS.

 

[KateB]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8TDZwcUNoZTA4Yzg/view?pref=2&pli=1

Bates 29606 - 29613, pictures #6 - 13, labeled as laundry room. There appears to be two large stains.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8N0liQlppRjVmdzg/view?pref=2&pli=1. This batch labeled "clean up evidence."

I don't recall a discussion about the laundry room stains. Does anyone think those were blood stains? Is it possible one of the perps was injured and attempted clean up? Just wondering.

More photos in the Laundry Room folder:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0&usp=drive_web

 

[debbiegarcia36]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8TDZwcUNoZTA4Yzg/view?pref=2&pli=1

Bates 29606 - 29613, pictures #6 - 13, labeled as laundry room. There appears to be two large stains.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8N0liQlppRjVmdzg/view?pref=2&pli=1. This batch labeled "clean up evidence."

I don't recall a discussion about the laundry room stains. Does anyone think those were blood stains? Is it possible one of the perps was injured and attempted clean up? Just wondering.

View attachment 87465

I enlarged the pic and it does look like blood stains.

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