4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

[Gemmie]

This floor plan matches the one you shared @Auntie Cipation

Both images are from 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho Tour

Maybe this will help. I grabbed this upthread from whichever thread early March posts were made. I wish I could remember who originally posted it so I could give kudos to them. Whoever it is knows who they are. Take a bow!

Banfield vid where "A graphic designer has put together a 3D graphic animation of what she believes happened at 1122 King Road, where four University of Idaho students were killed on Nov. 13.". Simulation starts ~3:30 in:

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Which for all intents and purposes could mean it belongs to BK. As the defendant, he is connected to the murders found guilty or not.

True, but it seems nonsensical to single out an item as significant using that label -- after all, *each and every* item they took from his home/vehicle was associated with BK (and by that logic, the murder house too).

For that reason I don't think the ID referred to as "connected" to the house was a BK ID. Since it seems there were multiple IDs founds, there still could be some of his -- either old, or fake, or otherwise relevant, but I think the ID specifically identified as "connected to the house" was not of himself but belonging to someone else. MOO

 

[U.N. Known]

Here's something I've contemplated; Is it possible there's two different TOD's?
4:00-4:20 am for KG/MM and later, if he returned, around 9:00 am for XK/E?

It may not be the case and may have not been possible but 4 murders in 15 minutes in and out seems like such a tight timeline.

I can imagine him being able to dump clothes etc is in a semi public dumpster, in a park or a business or apartment complex on his way home. I can't imagine him dumping it in a field or creek along the way as it could be found so much easier.

It's possible that the killer(s) did not kill everyone within the same short timeframe, but two things:
1. If the killer decided to return, why leave survivors?
2. After making the connection between BK's phone pings (at 9am), it is reasonable to believe that LE checked the neighborhood cameras for evidence of a white Elantra at that time. The PCA only mentions BK's phone pinging; there is no mention of visual evidence of the car seen between 3:29 and 4:20. That leads me to believe that the White Elantra (and thus BK, if he is the killer) did not return to the house the next morning.

 

[maconrich]

Maybe this will help. I grabbed this upthread from whichever thread early March posts were made. I wish I could remember who originally posted it so I could give kudos to them. Whoever it is knows who they are. Take a bow!

Banfield vid where "A graphic designer has put together a 3D graphic animation of what she believes happened at 1122 King Road, where four University of Idaho students were killed on Nov. 13.". Simulation starts ~3:30 in:

Thanks The graphic designer did a nice job. Willing to say that DM's room was to the right of the stairs (when coming down the stairs). Thanks again!

 

[Auntie Cipation]

It's possible that the killer(s) did not kill everyone within the same short timeframe, but two things:
1. If the killer decided to return, why leave survivors?
2. After making the connection between BK's phone pings (at 9am), it is reasonable to believe that LE checked the neighborhood cameras for evidence of a white Elantra at that time. The PCA only mentions BK's phone pinging; there is no mention of visual evidence of the car seen between 3:29 and 4:20. That leads me to believe that the White Elantra (and thus BK, if he is the killer) did not return to the house the next morning.

I agree.

Remember when KG's dad (I think?) said that at some earlier point BK's phone "touched" the King Rd house wifi?

Any time BK's phone was on and approached the house, that wifi touch would occur and LE would see that.

And actually, depending on how fast those wifi touches take place, that sort of tracking might happen as he drove around, with those wifi handshakes happening every time he came within range of any wifi. It might show where he did go in and around Moscow, anytime his phone was on, even if he wasn't especially near the house.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

All IMO-MOO

Here's something I've contemplated; Is it possible there's two different TOD's?
4:00-4:20 am for KG/MM and later, if he returned, around 9:00 am for XK/E?

It may not be the case and may have not been possible but 4 murders in 15 minutes in and out seems like such a tight timeline.

RSBM

There is a big, big difference between a body three hours old and one eight hours old. Temperature, lividity, rigor mortis, just to begin with. If the bodies of the girls upstairs were killed that much earlier than the couple on the middle floor, it would be obvious to any medical bods who examined them, and I include in that whoever took a liver temp and examined the bodies at the scene before they were moved, which I imagine must have happened. I think it's standard.

MOO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I'm not sure about that. That house symbolizes a very deep trauma, not just for the victims' families (and the two survivors), but for the community. And honestly, that includes even LE. I think it would be a bad idea for it to remain standing for training.

Oh, I didn't mean to save it for that purpose repeatedly. I meant just one time before they tore it down. It seems to me it would be like moving forward to erase the trauma and move forward in one last positive, productive act - to help prevent even more trauma.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Oh, I didn't mean to save it for that purpose repeatedly. I meant just one time before they tore it down. It seems to me it would be like moving forward to erase the trauma and move forward in one last positive, productive act - to help prevent even more trauma.

Ah, I see what you mean. I'm not sure it would help to erase trauma. It might actually do the opposite and re-traumatize. Not allowing the victims of trauma relive their trauma is a significant step in healing. The only time it really should be relived is in a controlled environment, which the house isn't. That said, donating it for a new team who wasn't there that day may be ok. But I think I still lean toward demolition.

 

[Bogbacal2]

This is great - thank you. Question though: isn't DM's door to the right of the stairs (coming down them) or am I looking at it wrong? Extremely possible I'm looking wrong because this house continues to confound me.

On the website

Thanks The graphic designer did a nice job. Willing to say that DM's room was to the right of the stairs (when coming down the stairs). Thanks again!

kuula had it listed as DM bedroom with the print in front of the door. The house confuses me as well. I had seen the one the graphic designer did. Very cool, eerie at the same time. I feel so bad for DM. I can’t imagine the horror of what she hear and saw that early morning.
I had to call the PD night before last because a man was banging on my neighbors door at 2am and then came to my front yard, screaming-i was shaking and the 911 operator could tell I was scared. Everything I knew to do at that moment, went out of my head. Didn’t even go for my gun! (eventually I did). They got him, he was looking for someone-wrong neighborhood! Good way to get shot!

 

[maconrich]

On the website

kuula had it listed as DM bedroom with the print in front of the door. The house confuses me as well. I had seen the one the graphic designer did. Very cool, eerie at the same time. I feel so bad for DM. I can’t imagine the horror of what she hear and saw that early morning.
I had to call the PD night before last because a man was banging on my neighbors door at 2am and then came to my front yard, screaming-i was shaking and the 911 operator could tell I was scared. Everything I knew to do at that moment, went out of my head. Didn’t even go for my gun! (eventually I did). They got him, he was looking for someone-wrong neighborhood! Good way to get shot!

I'm guessing they mislabeled it, but that wouldn't be hard to do considering how funky the house is laid out. It's hard to imagine why he passed by DM's room three times without opening the door. Maybe he thought it was a closet or was too focused on getting to the other people. No doubt that DM was horrified and traumatized. IMO
Wow on your experience. Not good and glad you're ok! I do agree that fear can be stronger than reason. And yes, it's a good way to get shot (and scare the heck out of someone too!).

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Ah, I see what you mean. I'm not sure it would help to erase trauma. It might actually do the opposite and re-traumatize. Not allowing the victims of trauma relive their trauma is a significant step in healing. The only time it really should be relived is in a controlled environment, which the house isn't. That said, donating it for a new team who wasn't there that day may be ok. But I think I still lean toward demolition.

Well, especially if they used it for firefighters to practice controlling fires (as 10ofRods mentioned), that would certainly assist in the demolition and costs as well. IMO, it would represent moving forward on all fronts.

 

[maconrich]

Question. The general consensus seems to be that the killer parked in the lot above and behind the house. If that's true, or even if he parked on the little road that runs between the house and the apartment complex, is there a relatively easy path or way to get down to the house from either place? Without having to walk from the front of the house to the back? The ground I've seen looks hilly or at least a bit difficult to walk down especially in the dark, so I'm pretty sure I've just missed it. I know where I live those little slopes are harder to walk up or down than one would think, and at night it's easier to fall and slide down than walk. Anyone?

Edited to add: I don't need a link or anything -- just confirmation that someone's seen a relatively easy way to get down to the house.

 

[jepop]

I took A pic from the 1122 kings row house and tagged a couple of things. Did it in a hurry, I won’t be offended if there’s criticism!

That's a really useful photo, showing the central sort of point in the mini hall just out of the kitchen. Thank you! Others are right though...I'm 100% that DM's room was opposite the kitchen entrance (not quite opposite but almost) and when we are looking up the stairs to floor three (MM and KG) in this photo DM's room should be that entrance seen on our left; so the arrow is pointing the wrong way. DM's room can't be the same side as the kitchen. MOO

 

[jepop]

Question. The general consensus seems to be that the killer parked in the lot above and behind the house. If that's true, or even if he parked on the little road that runs between the house and the apartment complex, is there a relatively easy path or way to get down to the house from either place? Without having to walk from the front of the house to the back? The ground I've seen looks hilly or at least a bit difficult to walk down especially in the dark, so I'm pretty sure I've just missed it. I know where I live those little slopes are harder to walk up or down than one would think, and at night it's easier to fall and slide down than walk. Anyone?

Edited to add: I don't need a link or anything -- just confirmation that someone's seen a relatively easy way to get down to the house.

It depends what you mean by relatively easy I suppose. From looking at photos, access to the house from the south-east looks to be relatively easy (IME only) but I don't see a path or anything like that. There is some foilage and there is a slope. There is a press photos link at the beginning of the thread. Just incase you haven't looked at that already... If you scroll down there you'll find a number of photos taken from the road above and behind the house with LEOs standing around and also one or two taken from the east end of the back porch where you can see a silver/grey SUV parked on the far side of some foilage. It is hard to get a good depth perspective from these photos though IMO. AFAI can see there is no fence or other person made impediment to access via the south east corner of the house and onto that corner of the back porch. MOO Hope that helps some.

ETA: There are also some good floor plans of the house over the three different levels in Press photos link; just thinking of the recent posts re the location of DMs room/doorway. They are handy as a supplement to the great photo posted by @Bogbacal2 just upthread.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Maybe this will help. I grabbed this upthread from whichever thread early March posts were made. I wish I could remember who originally posted it so I could give kudos to them. Whoever it is knows who they are. Take a bow!

Banfield vid where "A graphic designer has put together a 3D graphic animation of what she believes happened at 1122 King Road, where four University of Idaho students were killed on Nov. 13.". Simulation starts ~3:30 in:

All very doable in this time frame as shown, thanks for reposting.

 

[girlhasnoname]

On the website

kuula had it listed as DM bedroom with the print in front of the door. The house confuses me as well. I had seen the one the graphic designer did. Very cool, eerie at the same time. I feel so bad for DM. I can’t imagine the horror of what she hear and saw that early morning.
I had to call the PD night before last because a man was banging on my neighbors door at 2am and then came to my front yard, screaming-i was shaking and the 911 operator could tell I was scared. Everything I knew to do at that moment, went out of my head. Didn’t even go for my gun! (eventually I did). They got him, he was looking for someone-wrong neighborhood! Good way to get shot!

I was thinking if BK had stalked the house before, maybe he thought DM was asleep downstairs where she normally would have been until the other roommate moved out and opened up that room. He could have thought that room was empty.

If that's the case, it would seem like BK either targeted X&E also or Xana heard something being awake and on TikTok and had Ethan go check it out, encountering BK on his way out.

I'm starting to think maybe he did initially target one or both girls on the 3rd floor.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Question. The general consensus seems to be that the killer parked in the lot above and behind the house. If that's true, or even if he parked on the little road that runs between the house and the apartment complex, is there a relatively easy path or way to get down to the house from either place? Without having to walk from the front of the house to the back? The ground I've seen looks hilly or at least a bit difficult to walk down especially in the dark, so I'm pretty sure I've just missed it. I know where I live those little slopes are harder to walk up or down than one would think, and at night it's easier to fall and slide down than walk. Anyone?

Edited to add: I don't need a link or anything -- just confirmation that someone's seen a relatively easy way to get down to the house.

BK seemed extremely fit, plus with the adrenaline rush I'm sure he was experiencing, I don't think he would have had a problem navigating down and then back up the hilly area. IIRC the police and CSI were back canvassing that area. Probably looking for shoe prints, tire impressions etc.

JMO

 

[jepop]

I was thinking if BK had stalked the house before, maybe he thought DM was asleep downstairs where she normally would have been until the other roommate moved out and opened up that room. He could have thought that room was empty.

If that's the case, it would seem like BK either targeted X&E also or Xana heard something being awake and on TikTok and had Ethan go check it out, encountering BK on his way out.

I'm starting to think maybe he did initially target one or both girls on the 3rd floor.

MOO

RBBM: I do agree it's possible that the killer thought DM's room was unoccupied for the reasons you give. I waver around who he may have targetted. He could have had a plan to kill as many as possible/more but aborted continuing on to ground floor for any number of reasons after XK and EM...or not. I think we will learn more in the future from the forensics of the crime scene, maybe more of an idea re the movements of the killer, order of deaths and other horrendous details. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

RBBM: I do agree it's possible that the killer thought DM's room was unoccupied for the reasons you give. I waver around who he may have targetted. He could have had a plan to kill as many as possible/more but aborted continuing on to ground floor for any number of reasons after XK and EM...or not. I think we will learn more in the future from the forensics of the crime scene, maybe more of an idea re the movements of the killer, order of deaths and other horrendous details. MOO

Agree, at first I was convinced he was out to fill everyone if house. As more info (what little we're getting with the gag order in place) it just makes me wonder.

 

[DizzyB]

RBBM: I do agree it's possible that the killer thought DM's room was unoccupied for the reasons you give. I waver around who he may have targetted. He could have had a plan to kill as many as possible/more but aborted continuing on to ground floor for any number of reasons after XK and EM...or not. I think we will learn more in the future from the forensics of the crime scene, maybe more of an idea re the movements of the killer, order of deaths and other horrendous details. MOO

I do wonder if BK’s target/s was top floor only. If the lights were on in Kaylee’s room, I think the room was easily seen from several vantage points at a pretty good distance. It seems we will have to wait to find out exactly what happened that night-was BK watching the GrubTruk feed, was he driving by and saw Kaylee’s car and lights on in her bedroom-after she had been gone from campus for some time? Why that night? I think Xana being awake and hearing BK changed everything.