4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

[al66pine]

Long time reader, first time poster with some thoughts...all JMO
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@russoca
Glad you decided to post & share your thoughts.
And congrats on making your way thru all these threads.

Whew.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Bringing this forward from page 11 of this thread. The animation starts at about 3:00 (house itself at 3:30). I never would have been able to visualize the house from text or 2d floorplans, so this really helped me understand that the house isn’t that complicated (or large).

(The page 11 poster mentioned that they weren’t sure who originally posted it, and I’ve gone through many threads trying to find it, no luck so far.)

 

[Cool Cats]

I actually agree with you. There are things that bother me, or that I question, including the tight time line: like how did he get to the house so fast; where did he park; did he know the layout of the house; etc etc. And we don't even know if Xana was the one who retrieved her DD order or if it was handed over or put outside the door. And there are other aspects of the crime that are unknown or debatable. But the mindset and the knife - I totally agree; and I also agree with many other things you and others have stated.

Where I'm stuck is extremely unpopular and something I can't explain. Plain and simple, my brain still glitches when it comes to BK and the murders. I strongly believe that something isn't adding up -- like something is missing (or a few things are missing). This isn't normal for me, which adds to my confusion, but I can't shake it. If BK is guilty, and if he did this by himself, I'm sure that whatever is throwing me off will fall into place (when we get more information). I'm in no way a fan of BK's, and I'm not defending him or overlooking things that point to him. But, at this point, based on what we know so far, I wouldn't be able to find him guilty. Just MOO as frustrating as it might be.

Edited to add this, which is a bit OT: If Ethan was involved in school sports, I hope he receives awards for those things too. He reminds me so much of my (deceased) son that it throws me at times - but I do see him for who he was (based on what we know) and I do my best to keep my maternal feelings out of it. All of these young people were amazing in their own right, and I do want to see justice for them.

I get where your coming from.
But you seem perfectly un-confused and right on the money to me.

What is missing is quite a bit.

Like all defendants before trial, Bryan is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Imagine if every juror decided a defendant is guilty based on arrest/search warrants or on pretrial hearings and motions filed. What a mess this would be, then no one gets a fair trial.

There is a ton of evidence details that have been turned over to Bryan's attorney, so much in fact, that the prosecution asked to take the somewhat unusual step of delaying the preliminary hearing by 6 months.

The judge needs the preliminary hearing just to see if enough evidence exists for Bryan's case to go forward to trial.

The upcoming preliminary hearing appears like we will definitely get more information to show why LE thinks Bryan did these murders. It is scheduled for a few days, not just for one day. I am going to look at it in terms of "is it probable Bryan did this?"

Preliminary Hearing - FindLaw

Usually held soon after arraignment, a preliminary hearing is best described as a trial before the trial at which the judge decides, not whether the defendant is guilty, but whether there is enough evidence to force a defendant to stand trial. Learn more about preliminary hearings and related...

www.findlaw.com

For a preliminary hearing, the judge uses the "probable cause" legal standard, deciding whether the government has produced enough evidence to convince the jury that a crime was committed and that the defendant committed the alleged crime.

I do believe that LE arrested the right person and the families will get justice, but in the mean time, I think it is good to discuss both sides of the equation. Both prosecution's evidence, and reasons why this evidence does or does not show Bryan is the one who did this.

What a shame if posters feel they can't discuss both sides of this coin.

Just 2 Cent Opinion

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes. But the time line gives little to no room for surprises, or unplanned or unexpected actions or reactions. Things had to have gone almost perfectly. I'm not sure what the odds of that happening are, but it's part of the reason I think the time line is too tight and would do better if it had a little wiggle room. But it does make me believe that he knew the house, and at the very least knew how to get from point A to point B (and to point C unless he followed or watched Xana or Ethan go to their room). Like I said, I can see it as do-able but perhaps not practical. And I don't think that would detract from the evidence or the presentation of it. After all I don't think we're supposed to believe the killer had super powers - better to think of him as a man: a man who made human mistakes (assuming that he did -- and I am assuming he did).

Edited to add: I'm honestly not trying to be difficult or obtuse, and I do understand what you're saying.

There actually was plenty of "wiggle room."

The killer wasn't on a tight timetable. If the murders had taken more time then the killer would have left a little later.

If Bryan is the killer and they think they have evidence of when he left the house, then it is because he had time to do what he came to do and was ready to leave ....... or not.

It is actually a possibility that he would have killed everyone in the entire house except that Ethan and Xana surprised him.

I get the feeling he either had it in mind to kill only one specific person or wanted to attack the entire house, and his plan got side-tracked because of Ethan and Xana fighting back. If he had planned to kill everyone I think he changed his mind after the fight.

When the witness saw him he seemed to only be focused on making a hasty exit towards the 2nd floor sliding glass door like nothing else mattered.

I think he wasn't expecting to encounter awake individuals and it threw him off guard. So much so that afterward all he cared about was getting out. Apparently he didn't notice his missing sheath and he was peeling out fast with his car. This shows, to me, that he was shook up, his plan didn't go according to plan.

I think with all his driving around, and DoorDash only taking a minute to complete, he could have missed seeing DoorDash.

I find it hard to believe he would have even gone in if he saw someone was up getting food at 4:00am, seems too risky for a killer who did all that planning.

Why go in near 4:00am? Because he thought all were asleep. Note his alleged surveillance was at about this time.

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[BeginnerSleuther]

DBM

 

[jepop]

We've discussed before that those appear to be yaw marks, at least in my opinion. From a high speed turn when he took off out of there. JMO

Or possibly an attempted high speed turn as per PCA - @4.04-406/7 (IMO) the elantra appeared to attempt to park or turn around in front of 1122 before continuing west to intersection Queen/King, doing a three pointer there and again heading east down Queen...(paraphrase per PCA). Speculation and MOO in regard to elantra leaving the marks.

 

[jepop]

DBM double post

 

[jepop]

Long time reader, first time poster with some thoughts...all JMO

1 - JMO, Kaylee, Madison get posthumous degrees, the others honorary. Colleges hand them out to folks that give commencement speeches. If not, probably a scholarship in their names. Just a thought and a new acronym: MWT (My Wishful Thinking).

2 - Way back in Thread 18 - 25 (maybe also in MSM section) Kaylee's sister was interviewed and said Murphy was a very timid dog and would probably hide in the closet vs bark. MOO that the bark caught on the neighbors cam wasn't Murphy. Agree thud was BKs trunk closing causing another dog to bark. It is MWT that his is the "animal hair" found at BKs apartment.

3 - JMO, 12 to 15 min is plenty of time for KB to do this. Try this: set an alarm clock for 12 min and sit still. It's an eternity. In me thinking out loud (MTOL) there is time.

4 - The house? Yes it's odd, but it's not a mirror maze or a place with 15 hallways; come in from slider and you're in the kitchen, then, you're in a living room. Which way to go? Try the hallway, turn, go up the stairs...2 bedrooms. Try a door. OOPS, dog! Close door. Try the other, bingo!
What the?! TWO GIRLS! At the end of what's happening in Madisons room BK hears the shout to be quiet, gets nervous/concerned, forgets the sheath and, as postulated earlier, BK goes back down stairs, sees light from Xana's room and we know what happens there. He then leaves, walking past DMs room to slider.

4 - For the evidence (which we know the PCA only divulged a fraction of) each item by itself seems almost insignificant, however, piece it all together and you have a lot of the puzzle coming together.
There's a fraction of evidence in the PCA because I highly doubt (again, mooo) that with the small amount of stuff disclosed in the PCA would it take up thousands of pages, thousands of pictures? And the DA keeps handing over more. Oh! (ala Perry Mason) there's also his DNA on the knife sheath.

Sorry if this is all disjointed, hope it makes sense. Have had an interesting journey through all 77 threads, keep it up!

Russ

Thanks for your post, I enjoyed reading it immensely. You've been reading here a long time but welcome to posting!

 

[Boxer]

Long time reader, first time poster with some thoughts...all JMO

1 - JMO, Kaylee, Madison get posthumous degrees, the others honorary. Colleges hand them out to folks that give commencement speeches. If not, probably a scholarship in their names. Just a thought and a new acronym: MWT (My Wishful Thinking).

2 - Way back in Thread 18 - 25 (maybe also in MSM section) Kaylee's sister was interviewed and said Murphy was a very timid dog and would probably hide in the closet vs bark. MOO that the bark caught on the neighbors cam wasn't Murphy. Agree thud was BKs trunk closing causing another dog to bark. It is MWT that his is the "animal hair" found at BKs apartment.

3 - JMO, 12 to 15 min is plenty of time for KB to do this. Try this: set an alarm clock for 12 min and sit still. It's an eternity. In me thinking out loud (MTOL) there is time.

4 - The house? Yes it's odd, but it's not a mirror maze or a place with 15 hallways; come in from slider and you're in the kitchen, then, you're in a living room. Which way to go? Try the hallway, turn, go up the stairs...2 bedrooms. Try a door. OOPS, dog! Close door. Try the other, bingo!
What the?! TWO GIRLS! At the end of what's happening in Madisons room BK hears the shout to be quiet, gets nervous/concerned, forgets the sheath and, as postulated earlier, BK goes back down stairs, sees light from Xana's room and we know what happens there. He then leaves, walking past DMs room to slider.

4 - For the evidence (which we know the PCA only divulged a fraction of) each item by itself seems almost insignificant, however, piece it all together and you have a lot of the puzzle coming together.
There's a fraction of evidence in the PCA because I highly doubt (again, mooo) that with the small amount of stuff disclosed in the PCA would it take up thousands of pages, thousands of pictures? And the DA keeps handing over more. Oh! (ala Perry Mason) there's also his DNA on the knife sheath.

Sorry if this is all disjointed, hope it makes sense. Have had an interesting journey through all 77 threads, keep it up!

Russ

Agree with your thoughts here.

 

[Cool Cats]

But that's all conjecture re: the motivation for the 4 am time. Imagine a scenario in which the house ordered DD in the middle of the night all the time, including regular 4 am deliveries on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings. Then in that scenario, either BK would have known that it's possible people were awake at 4 am and he didn't care (after all, he's a night owl and 4 am could just be the most convenient time for him) OR maybe he wasn't really stalking them as has been written about in the media and had no idea. So suddenly, the narrative changes just with that little piece of information, IMO.

Killing people takes time and energy. Guns may be different, but an intimate murder weapon, like a knife, and repeated stab wounds, especially against victims who fight back, takes time. Is it impossible? Of course not. But it's also not an easy peasy nice and breezy endeavor. It's worthy of questions, IMO.

IMO, this case is too complex for us to know anything really until the PH. We can guess, but we'll all come at it from different angles and every scenario can be flipped on its head by just one thing being off.

MOO.

Yes, there are different angles, lots of guesses, and it is complex

Killers don't walk into houses to kill in front of a bunch of people, they pick the middle of the night so they can actually get in through the door or window without being seen or stopped. No doubt this killer picked the time he did based on not being seen.

I think he spied on the house from the back of the house with the very easy road access. He wouldn't have seen DoorDash from there.

If he saw DoorDash why did he go in so soon after?

Because through spying and watching what lights were on and off inside, he could deduce everybody was in their rooms so he could then get in undetected.

But still, why chance it?

Because he was obsessed with going through with it that night. I don't think he came ready the other nights because his alleged surveillance was over a period of months. I think he was ready that particular night. He had on his mask and had his knife and probably had some plastic or extra clothes to protect his car etc...

So he was ready and determined to do it. He saw his target was home, if he was targeting one person. Likewise, he saw ALL were home if targeting the entire house. So he was willing to take his chances with someone eating at 4:00am.

Plus, he was running out of time.

No, not for that night, but because of the end of the semester coming up in just the next month. He had to get this done now or there wouldn't be enough time for him to hang around and watch and listen to all the many reactions going on around him. A neighbor, someone, even mentioned that he brought up the murders.
He wanted time to be in the thick of it, not just hearing about it from across the country.

......The professor reportedly emailed Kohberger on October 21 to tell him he had failed to meet the expectations set out in the meeting earlier that month.

They met again on November 12 to discuss an "improvement plan."

Bryan goes out to commit murder that same night, the 12th, which turned into November 13.

Bryan commits murder just 4 weeks before finals. He would be busy with finals and busy with his dad and packing up to drive to Pennsylvania for Christmas break. No time to commit murders.

He put off the murders until he couldn't anymore with only 4 weeks left - and made the mistake of not waiting for everyone to go to sleep. Was in a hurry to get it done.

1. Final examinations begin on Monday, December 12, 2022 to Friday, December 16, 2022.

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[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yes. But the time line gives little to no room for surprises, or unplanned or unexpected actions or reactions. Things had to have gone almost perfectly. I'm not sure what the odds of that happening are, but it's part of the reason I think the time line is too tight and would do better if it had a little wiggle room. But it does make me believe that he knew the house, and at the very least knew how to get from point A to point B (and to point C unless he followed or watched Xana or Ethan go to their room). Like I said, I can see it as do-able but perhaps not practical. And I don't think that would detract from the evidence or the presentation of it. After all I don't think we're supposed to believe the killer had super powers - better to think of him as a man: a man who made human mistakes (assuming that he did -- and I am assuming he did).

Edited to add: I'm honestly not trying to be difficult or obtuse, and I do understand what you're saying.

Personally, I don't think a 'plan' went perfectly. I think the events unfolded exactly how they did - swiftly and gruesomely - but there is no way any human being could have plotted that out, to take four peoples lives, and then execute it IMO.

JMO but he went to the house maybe on a recce to creep around inside or most likely in order to creep in and be sure of finding M alone in her bedroom and do god knows what to her then leave. That's my sense of it. The plan actually went really badly wrong and got very messy and out of hand indeed if that was his original intention. Not trying to excuse or minimise this horror, just my opinion.

I do personally wonder if he was colluding with someone else in all this. Someone he had made contact with during his research. Or at the very least taking some copycat ideas from.

 

[maconrich]

Personally, I don't think a 'plan' went perfectly. I think the events unfolded exactly how they did - swiftly and gruesomely - but there is no way any human being could have plotted that out, to take four peoples lives, and then execute it IMO.

JMO but he went to the house maybe on a recce to creep around inside or most likely in order to creep in and be sure of finding M alone in her bedroom and do god knows what to her then leave. That's my sense of it. The plan actually went really badly wrong and got very messy and out of hand indeed if that was his original intention. Not trying to excuse or minimise this horror, just my opinion.

I do personally wonder if he was colluding with someone else in all this. Someone he had made contact with during his research. Or at the very least taking some copycat ideas from.

The PCA says the murders happened between 4-4:20am. We're led to believe the murderer most likely didn't enter the house until about 4:07 so that shaves a few minutes off their extremely tight timeline. And IMHO it leaves little room for errors or surprises. And if I'm reading right, you're saying you don't think everything went perfectly to plan, and if so I agree with you. If that's not what you mean, I apologize for taking it the wrong way. No matter his plan, I think there were surprises and things that happened that he might not have planned for. - With Ethan's presence possibly being the biggest surprise.

I'm not convinced he only intended for there to be one victim. If so, it seems like he could have waited for the right time and snatched that person off the street, taken him/her somewhere, killed them and disposed of the body. Instead he entered a house where several people were home (and where the parking area was full). And if he was only after Maddie, and he found her and Kaylee sleeping in the same room, he could have changed his plan and quietly left. I get the murderous intent, the build up, and maybe being fixated on doing it that night, but if he truly had only one target, it seems like logic and self preservation might have kicked in causing him to abort / delay / change his plan. Although it's possible he did change his plan, like you said, and decided to go after more than Maddy (if she was his original target). Or he fully intended to kill more than one person to start with. All speculation.

Yes, I do believe he could have met someone online while he was in PA or after he moved to WA, and then met them in person (once he moved to WA). Someone who was also interested in crime and murder and who made him feel accepted and who he trusted. That person could even have been aware of the house and/or the occupants and shared information with BK. Perhaps they stalked them together at times or ran together and passed by the house. Both of them could have gone to the house that night - one driving and the other going inside and committing the murders. Or the other person could have stepped back at some point prior to that night. Could something like this even be possible? I don't know. In some ways it makes as much sense as BK planning and executing all of this on is own. But if someone else was involved in any way, I don't think BK would give them up. All MOO with a bit of brainstorming on my part.

 

[jepop]

Yes, there are different angles, lots of guesses, and it is complex

Killers don't walk into houses to kill in front of a bunch of people, they pick the middle of the night so they can actually get in through the door or window without being seen or stopped. No doubt this killer picked the time he did based on not being seen.

I think he spied on the house from the back of the house with the very easy road access. He wouldn't have seen DoorDash from there.

If he saw DoorDash why did he go in so soon after?

Because through spying and watching what lights were on and off inside, he could deduce everybody was in their rooms so he could then get in undetected.

But still, why chance it?

Because he was obsessed with going through with it that night. I don't think he came ready the other nights because his alleged surveillance was over a period of months. I think he was ready that particular night. He had on his mask and had his knife and probably had some plastic or extra clothes to protect his car etc...

So he was ready and determined to do it. He saw his target was home, if he was targeting one person. Likewise, he saw ALL were home if targeting the entire house. So he was willing to take his chances with someone eating at 4:00am.

Plus, he was running out of time.

No, not for that night, but because of the end of the semester coming up in just the next month. He had to get this done now or there wouldn't be enough time for him to hang around and watch and listen to all the many reactions going on around him. A neighbor, someone, even mentioned that he brought up the murders.
He wanted time to be in the thick of it, not just hearing about it from across the country.

......The professor reportedly emailed Kohberger on October 21 to tell him he had failed to meet the expectations set out in the meeting earlier that month.

They met again on November 12 to discuss an "improvement plan."

Bryan goes out to commit murder that same night, the 12th, which turned into November 13.

Bryan commits murder just 4 weeks before finals. He would be busy with finals and busy with his dad and packing up to drive to Pennsylvania for Christmas break. No time to commit murders.

He put off the murders until he couldn't anymore with only 4 weeks left - and made the mistake of not waiting for everyone to go to sleep. Was in a hurry to get it done.

1. Final examinations begin on Monday, December 12, 2022 to Friday, December 16, 2022.

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MRBBM: Great post and good details that flesh out potential context IMO. I hate to pick on the little things...but...am going to :-(). So, he met with his prof, as reported by News Nation, on November 2nd, not November 12th. It was reported by NN as November the 2nd, they apparently had exclusive access to some docs from WSU. I remember going over this in Feb and it turned out some other outlets re-reported as November 12th. Conveniently 'inadvertent' typo by those outlets....I guess....MOO

None of that takes away from the points you're making re BK's life and plans potentially teetering into an abyss by early November (which could have contributed to a sense of time running out). MOO

I did a quick google and didn't come up with the NN original but even the Daily M ended up reporting the date of BK's meeting to discuss 'improvement plan' as Nov 2nd. I can check out some posts for mid Feb to find the relevent sources a bit later. MOO

Bryan Kohberger was FIRED from his teaching job days before arrest

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was let go from his teaching assistant job due to 'behavioral problems' and for having a 'sexist attitude toward women.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

NYT also reports Nov 2nd (article behind paywal but search results show Nov 2nd).

"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/idaho-murders-kohberger-fired-wsu.html

University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect's Behavior Around ... 13 Feb 2023 ... Bryan Kohberger had a verbal altercation with a professor and was ... Then, on Nov. 2, department leaders met with Mr. Kohberger to discuss ..."

 

[maconrich]

I get where your coming from.
But you seem perfectly un-confused and right on the money to me.

What is missing is quite a bit.

Like all defendants before trial, Bryan is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Imagine if every juror decided a defendant is guilty based on arrest/search warrants or on pretrial hearings and motions filed. What a mess this would be, then no one gets a fair trial.

There is a ton of evidence details that have been turned over to Bryan's attorney, so much in fact, that the prosecution asked to take the somewhat unusual step of delaying the preliminary hearing by 6 months.

The judge needs the preliminary hearing just to see if enough evidence exists for Bryan's case to go forward to trial.

The upcoming preliminary hearing appears like we will definitely get more information to show why LE thinks Bryan did these murders. It is scheduled for a few days, not just for one day. I am going to look at it in terms of "is it probable Bryan did this?"

Preliminary Hearing - FindLaw

Usually held soon after arraignment, a preliminary hearing is best described as a trial before the trial at which the judge decides, not whether the defendant is guilty, but whether there is enough evidence to force a defendant to stand trial. Learn more about preliminary hearings and related...

www.findlaw.com

For a preliminary hearing, the judge uses the "probable cause" legal standard, deciding whether the government has produced enough evidence to convince the jury that a crime was committed and that the defendant committed the alleged crime.

I do believe that LE arrested the right person and the families will get justice, but in the mean time, I think it is good to discuss both sides of the equation. Both prosecution's evidence, and reasons why this evidence does or does not show Bryan is the one who did this.

What a shame if posters feel they can't discuss both sides of this coin.

Just 2 Cent Opinion

♥ Thank you ♥

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, there are different angles, lots of guesses, and it is complex

Killers don't walk into houses to kill in front of a bunch of people, they pick the middle of the night so they can actually get in through the door or window without being seen or stopped. No doubt this killer picked the time he did based on not being seen.

Some killers kill in the middle of the day. Many cases just like that here on WS. I think we need to remember that given all the reports about BK, it seemed the middle of the night was his "day" in a sense too. But regardless, maybe he did choose the middle of the night for that reason and maybe he did think everyone was asleep. Who knows? It doesn't really change things. My point just is that we know very little facts and most of all of our scenarios are just conjecture, so variations should be expected, IMO.

I think he spied on the house from the back of the house with the very easy road access. He wouldn't have seen DoorDash from there.

If he saw DoorDash why did he go in so soon after?

Some have said maybe DD being at the front door was a distraction. I can see that, though the reason doesn't change the end result.

Because through spying and watching what lights were on and off inside, he could deduce everybody was in their rooms so he could then get in undetected.

Could he though? If he's only watching the back of the house, then those are the only lights he could see. Otherwise, he'd see whatever light Xana was using.

MOO

But still, why chance it?

Because he was obsessed with going through with it that night. I don't think he came ready the other nights because his alleged surveillance was over a period of months. I think he was ready that particular night. He had on his mask and had his knife and probably had some plastic or extra clothes to protect his car etc...

So he was ready and determined to do it. He saw his target was home, if he was targeting one person. Likewise, he saw ALL were home if targeting the entire house. So he was willing to take his chances with someone eating at 4:00am.

Plus, he was running out of time.

No, not for that night, but because of the end of the semester coming up in just the next month. He had to get this done now or there wouldn't be enough time for him to hang around and watch and listen to all the many reactions going on around him. A neighbor, someone, even mentioned that he brought up the murders.
He wanted time to be in the thick of it, not just hearing about it from across the country.

......The professor reportedly emailed Kohberger on October 21 to tell him he had failed to meet the expectations set out in the meeting earlier that month.

They met again on November 12 to discuss an "improvement plan."

Bryan goes out to commit murder that same night, the 12th, which turned into November 13.

Bryan commits murder just 4 weeks before finals. He would be busy with finals and busy with his dad and packing up to drive to Pennsylvania for Christmas break. No time to commit murders.

He put off the murders until he couldn't anymore with only 4 weeks left - and made the mistake of not waiting for everyone to go to sleep. Was in a hurry to get it done.

1. Final examinations begin on Monday, December 12, 2022 to Friday, December 16, 2022.

2 Cents

 

[steeltowngirl]

SBMFF

Anything that you can elaborate on that isn't adding up for you? You might not know till those pieces fall into place but I'd like to hear what's nagging you since it's not normal for you. Your post has really aroused my curiosity.

Question wasn’t for me, but hope it’s ok to chime in. One thing that nags at me is why the killer would risk entering the home at all, assuming a theory that only one of the victims was a target. If the goal was SA or revenge, it would have been simpler to follow the targeted victim and attempt to attack in a secluded area (a dark bar parking lot, as an example).

Perhaps his purpose to attack at 4 am was based on the assumption that the target would be asleep. Still, so risky to enter a home without knowing who else might be there, or whether anyone might be armed.

jmo

 

[Megnut]

Question wasn’t for me, but hope it’s ok to chime in. One thing that nags at me is why the killer would risk entering the home at all, assuming a theory that only one of the victims was a target. If the goal was SA or revenge, it would have been simpler to follow the targeted victim and attempt to attack in a secluded area (a dark bar parking lot, as an example).

Perhaps his purpose to attack at 4 am was based on the assumption that the target would be asleep. Still, so risky to enter a home without knowing who else might be there, or whether anyone might be armed.

jmo

Logical questions but some people operate under their own logic. Bundy. Perhaps dark of night was part of the fantasy. Perhaps risk of discovery heightened the fantasy. Perhaps stabbing held a degree of eroticism. It's sick, it's violent, it's a violation of everything the rest of respect or hold sacred.

IMO he did it because he wanted to. He did it how he wanted to. But he over-estimated his prowess and under-estimated what he left to chance, namely that others might awaken and confront him in some capacity. Still, he had a weapon and they did not.

This case hits hard because, at least for me, every night when I prepare to fall asleep, I need for me to feel safe and be safe in the dark in my home in my bed.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Yes, there are different angles, lots of guesses, and it is complex

Killers don't walk into houses to kill in front of a bunch of people, they pick the middle of the night so they can actually get in through the door or window without being seen or stopped. No doubt this killer picked the time he did based on not being seen.

I think he spied on the house from the back of the house with the very easy road access. He wouldn't have seen DoorDash from there.

If he saw DoorDash why did he go in so soon after?

Because through spying and watching what lights were on and off inside, he could deduce everybody was in their rooms so he could then get in undetected.

But still, why chance it?

Because he was obsessed with going through with it that night. I don't think he came ready the other nights because his alleged surveillance was over a period of months. I think he was ready that particular night. He had on his mask and had his knife and probably had some plastic or extra clothes to protect his car etc...

So he was ready and determined to do it. He saw his target was home, if he was targeting one person. Likewise, he saw ALL were home if targeting the entire house. So he was willing to take his chances with someone eating at 4:00am.

Plus, he was running out of time.

No, not for that night, but because of the end of the semester coming up in just the next month. He had to get this done now or there wouldn't be enough time for him to hang around and watch and listen to all the many reactions going on around him. A neighbor, someone, even mentioned that he brought up the murders.
He wanted time to be in the thick of it, not just hearing about it from across the country.

......The professor reportedly emailed Kohberger on October 21 to tell him he had failed to meet the expectations set out in the meeting earlier that month.

They met again on November 12 to discuss an "improvement plan."

Bryan goes out to commit murder that same night, the 12th, which turned into November 13.

Bryan commits murder just 4 weeks before finals. He would be busy with finals and busy with his dad and packing up to drive to Pennsylvania for Christmas break. No time to commit murders.

He put off the murders until he couldn't anymore with only 4 weeks left - and made the mistake of not waiting for everyone to go to sleep. Was in a hurry to get it done.

1. Final examinations begin on Monday, December 12, 2022 to Friday, December 16, 2022.

2 Cents

Also, as an OP above noted, he left at 4:20 but there is reason to think he had had to leave, that he had a deadline. He was just done and left.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Long time reader, first time poster with some thoughts...all JMO

1 - JMO, Kaylee, Madison get posthumous degrees, the others honorary. Colleges hand them out to folks that give commencement speeches. If not, probably a scholarship in their names. Just a thought and a new acronym: MWT (My Wishful Thinking).

2 - Way back in Thread 18 - 25 (maybe also in MSM section) Kaylee's sister was interviewed and said Murphy was a very timid dog and would probably hide in the closet vs bark. MOO that the bark caught on the neighbors cam wasn't Murphy. Agree thud was BKs trunk closing causing another dog to bark. It is MWT that his is the "animal hair" found at BKs apartment.

3 - JMO, 12 to 15 min is plenty of time for KB to do this. Try this: set an alarm clock for 12 min and sit still. It's an eternity. In me thinking out loud (MTOL) there is time.

4 - The house? Yes it's odd, but it's not a mirror maze or a place with 15 hallways; come in from slider and you're in the kitchen, then, you're in a living room. Which way to go? Try the hallway, turn, go up the stairs...2 bedrooms. Try a door. OOPS, dog! Close door. Try the other, bingo!
What the?! TWO GIRLS! At the end of what's happening in Madisons room BK hears the shout to be quiet, gets nervous/concerned, forgets the sheath and, as postulated earlier, BK goes back down stairs, sees light from Xana's room and we know what happens there. He then leaves, walking past DMs room to slider.

4 - For the evidence (which we know the PCA only divulged a fraction of) each item by itself seems almost insignificant, however, piece it all together and you have a lot of the puzzle coming together.
There's a fraction of evidence in the PCA because I highly doubt (again, mooo) that with the small amount of stuff disclosed in the PCA would it take up thousands of pages, thousands of pictures? And the DA keeps handing over more. Oh! (ala Perry Mason) there's also his DNA on the knife sheath.

Sorry if this is all disjointed, hope it makes sense. Have had an interesting journey through all 77 threads, keep it up!

Russ

Great post. Immense props for reading through all of those threads and welcome to Websleuths!

 

[maskedwoman]

It's definitely true and I don't think there's anything wrong with normalizing having a different opinion. Even the "totality of evidence" isn't close to a slam dunk, IMO, when there are so many holes. Nothing wrong with saying that.

MOO.

Respectfully, so far, all we have is the totality of information revealed in the PCA and a whole lot of inference and speculation. Much of that speculation and inference has been logical, and laid out by some pretty smart and/or knowledgeable folks. It may even turn out to be accurate. But - IMO - it remains inference and speculation at this point. I just think it's very early to be drawing any conclusions about a totality of evidence. MOOooo