4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

[girlhasnoname]

I mean, the exact same thing could be said for the students who claim he was sexist or even a bully. It hasn't been confirmed, AFAIK, but it's believed.

That's my frustration with this case. Seems that everything negative about BK is automatically believed, even if it's from anonymous sources. But anything that suggests maybe someone else behaved inappropriately, seems to be dismissed or defended. News Nation covers these stories because they know people will click. They want to encourage this kind of black-and-white thinking.



Same could be said in the reverse. There's no question he was unprofessional in some regard. That's documented. But everything else is rumors, IMO.

I guess my point is that even if BK is a killer, it doesn't mean that every negative rumor about him is true and every person around him is an angel.

MOO.

Where there's smoke. there's fire.

I bet we''ll find out even more egregious behavior at the PH, where's he's been accused of murdering these four college kids. Not a leap in my mind to think he's got some serious issues.

Again, MOO

 

[NCWatcher]

Where there's smoke. there's fire.

I bet we''ll find out even more egregious behavior at the PH, where's he's been accused of murdering these four college kids. Not a leap in my mind to think he's got some serious issues.

Again, MOO

Per TOS we aren't supposed to sleuth people like the professor or any students who have spoken up. There could be smoke there too. For all we know, all of those folks could have "issues." So I'm not ready to believe that everything said by everybody about BK must be true.
JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Respectfully, how would we know?

I haven't seen any clinical details about his younger years, just anecdotal "evidence" by friends, coworkers, employers, etc. Maybe I missed something.

We haven't seen clinical details about any of his life. We've seen a poster we think is him talking about VSS and that's it. Everything else comes from people who knew him, including his obesity, drug use, bullying, having been bullied, etc. None of that has been confirmed clinically that I'm aware of. It's all just people talking to the media. So that's how we'd know this too. Killing animals only becomes clinical information guarded by HIPAA if the individual is forced into treatment (and many are not) and we're expecting their doctor to tell us. The doctor never tells us (nor should they). We only find out about it when neighbors and childhood friends tell us about it, IMO.

I feel the case against him as a person who was outside the social & psychological "norms" does need some actual evidence such as psychological testing, dates of drug treatment & outcome, medical background re: autism spectrum, yadda yadda yadda.

I've been saying that all along, but IMO, in any of the stories you read in MSM or talk shows or even on social media, it's now become accepted as part of him that he definitely had drug addiction treatment, even though we don't have any clinical records or clinical confirmation.

BK has been able to take advantage of technology (distance learning) to hide a lot of behaviors IMO. We really don't know how much in-person instruction & feedback he received in classes after high school. I think this is potentially very instructive as to how some people are able to hide a lack of sociability to a degree that when they need that skill to succeed non-virtually, they simply don't have it.

So many killers have "set fires & killed kittens" at young ages. Why not Bryan?
JMO

The same way we know that so many killers set fires and killed kittens at a young age, IMO, we'd know if Bryan did too. Neighbors talk. Friends talk. But also, to be clear, if he didn't abuse animals, it doesn't mean he's not a killer. I'm not sure why it's controversial to believe that just as a lot of other information about his childhood was leaked, this would be too.

 

[Boxer]

There are issues then there is killing people.
Kohberger had, per friends and acquaintances on PA a very aggressive personality. He lost his TAship almost immediately after starting his PhD program.
MOO These things are related.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I guess my point is that even if BK is a killer, it doesn't mean that every negative rumor about him is true and every person around him is an angel.

fair, reasonable, and IMO, very true. Nor does it mean that we can jump to a conclusion based on the negative rumors that are true.

Where there is smoke, there's fire is one such leap. It's a logical fallacy that makes all the lists of illogical arguments. Here's a quick link: Fallacy of moderation - Issuepedia

 

[Boxer]

fair, reasonable, and IMO, very true. Nor does it mean that we can jump to a conclusion based on the negative rumors that are true.

Where there is smoke, there's fire is one such leap. It's a logical fallacy that makes all the lists of illogical arguments. Here's a quick link: Fallacy of moderation - Issuepedia

Where there are red flags there is usually trouble.

 

[maskedwoman]

Not in my experience. There seems to be a lot of confusion on what a psychotic break actually is. A psychotic break, in medical terms, isn't when someone "snaps." It's a psychotic disorder. Think schizophrenia or the like. Narcissistic injury doesn't cause schizophrenia. These days, thanks to social media it's been reduced to anyone who just dissociates, but this is not actually the clinical meaning of the term.

Could narcissistic injury due to his academic struggles cause someone to commit violence? Sure. Could they become obsessed with revenge? Sure. Could they blame people not responsible and even rage against whoever symbolically represents the target of their rage? Sure. But none of that is a psychotic break. There is no evidence at all that BK was psychotic, either at the time of the murders or even before the murders. In fact, I'd argue all the evidence we have thus far suggests he wasn't psychotic.

ETA: if someone already has a psychotic disorder, then narcissistic injury and stress can cause exacerbation or relapse, but we wouldn't refer to that as a psychotic "break." Psychotic break, medically, refers to the first episode of psychosis and it should meet clinical criteria for psychosis.

This is very interesting. Thank you for posting.

 

[maskedwoman]

After his charges, there was a statement from the school saying BK was no longer associated with WSU.

True, but we don't exactly when or how that became a true statement. He could have dropped out after he was fired, or they might have expelled him when the charges were filed. Those are just two options that occurred to me.

 

[sds71]

@ByMikeBaker


I am seeing a lot of chatter about Idaho murders survivor Bethany Funke and a call that she testify at Bryan Kohberger's preliminary hearing. We have copies of the key documents, linked below.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/bethany-funke-motion-to-quash/b7f0bc06979cd64b/full.pdf

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/bethany-funke-material-witness-warrant/43954cdb14544969/full.pdf

 

[sds71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650535905604804608

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650535980347310082

 

[Nila Aella]

@ByMikeBaker


I am seeing a lot of chatter about Idaho murders survivor Bethany Funke and a call that she testify at Bryan Kohberger's preliminary hearing. We have copies of the key documents, linked below.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/bethany-funke-motion-to-quash/b7f0bc06979cd64b/full.pdf

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/bethany-funke-material-witness-warrant/43954cdb14544969/full.pdf

Great finds! TY.

The second link is the material witness warrant signed by Judge Marshall.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650535905604804608

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650535980347310082

Well, question answered.

Defense wants her.

This is getting interesting.

Defense needs to back off - this is just a preliminary hearing

ACCORDING TO HER ATTORNEY NOT ME - IDAHO JUDGE DISAGREES

Wow.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Latah County Magistrate Judge requires BF to attend.

@Cool Cats it is very interesting.

 

[PrairieWind]

Well, question answered.

Defense wants her.

This is getting interesting.

Defense needs to back off - this is just a preliminary hearing.

Wow.

Defense shouldn't back off.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Subpoenaing Out of State Witnesses - A Step-by-Step Guide

This article provides a starting point for prosecutors seeking to subpoena out-of-state witnesses by using the Uniform Act.

www.naag.org

Can a prosecutor in State A, who has brought charges against a defendant in a State A court, compel an important out-of-state witness, W, to leave State B to testify in the State A trial? If so, how?

The answer is yes, by using the Uniform Act to Secure the Attendance of Witnesses from Without a State in Criminal Proceedings (Uniform Act).

 

[NyxNY]

FWIW Dec 29 search warrant for BK's WSU office. The warrant states BK is currently assigned an office and his name is on the door.

Kohberger warrant

www.documentcloud.org

Based off the above information,I am also seeking a search warrant for Kohberger's office on the Washington State University Campus.I have probable cause to believe evidence of the crimes committed at the King Road Residence will be found in Kohberger's office located on the WSU campus at Wilson-Short Hall, #12, Pullman,WA. It is common for individuals to keep documents,records,and information of the type described above in their office and Kohberger's office is the other location identified where this evidence could be found.Based off of the WSU website Kohbergr's office is inside Wilson-Short Hall.The address of Wilson-Short Hallis 1475 Glenn Terrell Mall,Pullman,WA 99163. Wilson-Short Hall is a four-story brick building housing multiple offices. Kohberger's office is #12. #12 is a student office shared by Kohberger and two fellow WSU students, XXXX and XXXX. Kohberger has been confirmed to be one of the students who utilizes this office. On December 29,2022 Investigators visited the office and Kohberger's name is on the outside. Based off the above information,I am also seeking a search warrant for Kohberger's office on the Washington State University Campus.It is common for individuals to keep documents, records, and information of the type described above in their office and Kohberger's office is the other location identified where this evidence could be found.

I missed that detail on the first go around. Thanks.

 

[TL4S]

Defense shouldn't back off.

@PrairieWind If BF could provide testimony which was exculpatory for BK in his current charges, that would be allowed at a preliminary hearing, wouldn't it? Charges can be dropped after a preliminary, can't they? Sorry if these are stupid questions, I truly know nothing about legal matters.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

@ByMikeBaker


I am seeing a lot of chatter about Idaho murders survivor Bethany Funke and a call that she testify at Bryan Kohberger's preliminary hearing. We have copies of the key documents, linked below.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/bethany-funke-motion-to-quash/b7f0bc06979cd64b/full.pdf

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/bethany-funke-material-witness-warrant/43954cdb14544969/full.pdf

Thanks, @sds71 !

BF's lawyer makes a clear and compelling argument for the "motion to quash" the material witness warrant, IMO

The first document states, in part:

"The Affidavit In Support Of Motion For Out Of State Service further claims that Ms. Funke (who name is repeatedly misspelled) has information material to the charges against Mr. Kohburger (sic); portions of information Ms. Funke has is exculpatory to the defendant." These statements are conclusory, without support and there is no further information or detail pertaining to the substance of the testimony, its materiality or the alleged exculpatory information of Ms. Funke or why it would be entertained at preliminary hearing. Moreover, the subpoena was issued by the Clerk of the Court without hearing. No hearing has been set for Ms. Funke to address these concerns. This motion follows:

II. ARGUMENT
THE COURT SHOULD QUASH THE FOREIGN SUBPOENA ISSUED PURPORTING TO COMPEL MS. FUNKE'S ATTENDANCE AT THE IDAHO PRELIMINARY HEARING IN THIS CASE "
...
Specifically, NRS 174.415(10) requires the Court to "fix a time and place for a hearing" before it can issue any order directing testimony in another state. This hearing is necessary to provide avenue where "the judge determines that the witness is material and necessary...
...
Moreover, there is no authority for an Idaho criminal defendant to summon a Nevada witness to Idaho for preliminary hearing. There is also no authority for an Idaho criminal defendant to summon a Nevada witness to an Idaho matter without a hearing and there is no authority to summon a Nevada witness to an Idaho matter without a Nevada Judge making a finding of materiality, necessity and the lack of undue hardship."

 

[Cool Cats]

Defense shouldn't back off.

Not what I meant. I edited my post to make this clear:

ACCORDING TO HER ATTORNEY NOT ME (she doesn't have to testify)
IDAHO JUDGE DISAGREES (she can be made to testify)

I think defense needs to do what it needs to do.
But the prosecution doesn't have to prove BARD so I believe the judge will let BK's case go to trial.

I think one thing the defense wants is to see more of the prosecution's hand, especially having witnesses testify. To see how the prosecution might present this at trial.

I saw this done with a bond hearing. Defense attorney said the bond hearing - calling the lead detective to the stand - gave him an idea of how the prosecution would proceed with their case.

Mini trials they call them.

 

[Deleted member 718]

@PrairieWind What might #6 mean? tia