4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[BeginnerSleuther]

The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't seem like there was enough time for BK to have discovered the girls and gotten deadly obsessed with them then stalked them 12 times without being familiar with them before he even moved there.

He was discovered near their house the same month he moved into his apartment:

August 21, 2022​

Kohberger is seen for the first known time driving a white Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania license plates. He had been stopped for failing to wear a seatbelt while at the intersection of W Pullman and Farm roads in Moscow, Idaho, a citation filed by the Latah County Sheriff's office shows.

The intersection is 1.7 miles away from the home the college students lived in the night of the killing.

Snipped by me for focus.

Are we considering this incident to be one of the 12 alleged stalking incidents? I don't consider him being 1.7 miles away from their home (in a town that 6.9 square miles) to be evidence of or even suspicious for stalking. It makes me wonder how far away he really was during all these incidents in which his phone pinged in that neighborhood.

Moscow, Idaho - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JMO.

 

[PrairieWind]

Thanks, @gliving

From these documents, the specific reasons presented by attorneys for the plaintiffs (various media outlets) for the motion to vacate the gag order are listed as follows:

"9. During the course of representing the media outlets who are challenging this Court’s Gag Order, I have been informed of the following by them:
a. A victim’s family wants to speak with the press about Mr. Kohberger’s prosecution, but they feel bound by the gag order.
b. Major Christopher Paris of the Pennsylvania State Police told reporter Chris Ingalls that he could not answer whether police had launched any review of unsolved cases that could be linked to Mr. Kohberger because of the gag order.
c. Moscow Mayor Art Bettge told reporter Erica Zucco that the city attorney advised he could not answer questions about the overall community healing in Moscow because of the gag order.
d. Journalist Taylor Mirfendereski’s public records requests were denied by the Latah County’s Sheriff’s Office, Moscow Police Department, Pullman Police Department, and Washington State Police Department because of the gag order.
e. Gary Jenkins, Chief of Police at Washington State University, and Matt Young, Communication Coordinator for the City of Pullman, told reporter Morgan Romero that they could not answer whether Mr. Kohberger applied for a graduate assistant research position with the Pullman Police Department because of the gag order.
f. The Moscow Police Department refused to advise a reporter from the Idaho Statesman how many cellphone towers are in the area near where the murders occurred, the size of Mr. Kohberger’s cell, the size of the Moscow jail, and the nature of Mr. Kohberger’s meals because of the gag order.
g. Law&Crime reporter Angenette Levy was denied access to Kohberger's booking video from the Latah County Sheriff's Office because of the "court's non-dissemination order".

These would seem to be reasons for the Court to clarify its order, not lift it. And some of these just evidence public employees being lazy.

 

[Boxer]

I think that's likely - or at least the move obvious explanation.

But I think that there's some assumptions here that may or may not prove true, esp when it comes to the number of people added.

We do not know that only 2 more people were added. We know that 2 more people were added per warrant. Those 2 more people may not be the same across warrants. The same rule would apply for the first round of warrants. The three roommates are an assumption, and that may be right in some instances, but maybe not. For example, the one roommate who didn't live there - why would that person also have accounts with the same 7 institutions? They may. Or not. imo. Just devil's advocating to avoid assumptions and leaps. I am keeping it open for now.

Many accounts can be for basic young adult reasons. Some banks offer $250 to open a checking account for instance, or a zero card. Also maybe an account for one type of expense and another where parents transfer money.

 

[Cool Cats]

Snipped by me for focus.

Are we considering this incident to be one of the 12 alleged stalking incidents? I don't consider him being 1.7 miles away from their home (in a town that 6.9 square miles) to be evidence of or even suspicious for stalking. It makes me wonder how far away he really was during all these incidents in which his phone pinged in that neighborhood.

Moscow, Idaho - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JMO.

There are 12 mentioned King Rd cell tower pings with 11 listed as late night early morning.

This traffic stop could be the one King Rd cell tower ping that did not occur in the late night early morning hours. Maybe the Citation is available to look up, it isn't under a Gag Order. It would give the time.

The stalking assertion comes from the LE professionals who see a connection to stalking behavior. I would need to check the PCA to clarify this assertion, see how they worded this.

EDIT

TIME OF TRAFFIC STOP POSTED BELOW - 11:40pm

 

[Twistinginthewind]

For reference:
Bryan Kohberger was stopped by police minutes from Idaho murder victims’ home late at night in August

"Suspected murderer Bryan Kohberger was pulled over by police late at night in his Hyundai Elantra just minutes from the home where he allegedly knifed four students to death three months later.

A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that the 28-year-old criminology PhD student was stopped by police on 21 August for failing to wear his seatbelt.

The traffic stop took place at around 11.40pm at the intersection of West Pullman Road and Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho.

It is not clear what Mr Kohberger was doing in the area at the time – just 1.7 miles and a five-minute drive from the home on King Road where Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death on 13 November after returning from a night out.

At the time of the August incident, Mr Kohberger was driving his white Hyundai Elantra – the same vehicle that would later be at the centre of the investigation into the murders and ultimately lead to his arrest.

Records show the case – an infraction – was closed in September."

 

[Twistinginthewind]

For reference:
Bryan Kohberger was stopped by police minutes from Idaho murder victims’ home late at night in August

"Suspected murderer Bryan Kohberger was pulled over by police late at night in his Hyundai Elantra just minutes from the home where he allegedly knifed four students to death three months later.

A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that the 28-year-old criminology PhD student was stopped by police on 21 August for failing to wear his seatbelt.

The traffic stop took place at around 11.40pm at the intersection of West Pullman Road and Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho.

It is not clear what Mr Kohberger was doing in the area at the time – just 1.7 miles and a five-minute drive from the home on King Road where Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death on 13 November after returning from a night out.

At the time of the August incident, Mr Kohberger was driving his white Hyundai Elantra – the same vehicle that would later be at the centre of the investigation into the murders and ultimately lead to his arrest.

Records show the case – an infraction – was closed in September."

Replying to my post to add, based on Idaho Law, LE could not have pulled him over that night "just" for not wearing a seatbelt, something else would have had to give them cause to pull him over.

I posted about this a long time ago and wondered what he could have been doing that caused LE to pull him over.

Lurking in a residential area in which he didn't live? This is reason enough for them to window tap and ask what he was doing (I wonder what he said) and tell him to move along, IMO.

"(5) Enforcement of this section by law enforcement officers may be accomplished only as a secondary action when the operator of the motor vehicle has been detained for a suspected violation of another law."
2022 Idaho Code :: Title 49 - MOTOR VEHICLES :: Chapter 6 - RULES OF THE ROAD :: Section 49-673 - SAFETY RESTRAINT USE..

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Replying to my post to add, based on Idaho Law, LE could not have pulled him over that night "just" for not wearing a seatbelt, something else would have had to give them cause to pull him over.

I posted about this a long time ago and wondered what he could have been doing that caused LE to pull him over.

Lurking in a residential area in which he didn't live? This is reason enough for them to window tap and ask what he was doing (I wonder what he said) and tell him to move along, IMO.

"(5) Enforcement of this section by law enforcement officers may be accomplished only as a secondary action when the operator of the motor vehicle has been detained for a suspected violation of another law."
2022 Idaho Code :: Title 49 - MOTOR VEHICLES :: Chapter 6 - RULES OF THE ROAD :: Section 49-673 - SAFETY RESTRAINT USE..

Oh how I wish we could see the body cam of this incident. Because doesn't LE usually ask, when they stop you for an infraction, where you are going and from where?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

For reference:
Bryan Kohberger was stopped by police minutes from Idaho murder victims’ home late at night in August

"Suspected murderer Bryan Kohberger was pulled over by police late at night in his Hyundai Elantra just minutes from the home where he allegedly knifed four students to death three months later.

A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that the 28-year-old criminology PhD student was stopped by police on 21 August for failing to wear his seatbelt.

The traffic stop took place at around 11.40pm at the intersection of West Pullman Road and Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho.

It is not clear what Mr Kohberger was doing in the area at the time – just 1.7 miles and a five-minute drive from the home on King Road where Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death on 13 November after returning from a night out.

At the time of the August incident, Mr Kohberger was driving his white Hyundai Elantra – the same vehicle that would later be at the centre of the investigation into the murders and ultimately lead to his arrest.

Records show the case – an infraction – was closed in September."

Could LE then have checked their own files to see if they had any infractions against a white Elantra that fit their own description of the suspicious auto? Or am I misunderstanding something?

 

[ArianeEmory]

He also seems to have established a record of being a pretty godawful driver.

 

[U.N. Known]

Good points, @U.N. Known

Regarding your last sentence, I think it depends, of course, on what is considered of real interest that isn't covered by a sealed or redacted court document, and is probably highly subjective and all over the map.

IIRC, this hasn't changed, though, that BK's defense prefers the gag order remain in place:

Defense lawyers in Idaho killings case want gag order kept
""What the media really seeks here is a procedural victory, knowing full well it cannot win on the merits of any test, given the pervasive and grotesquely twisted nature of media coverage that has occurred thus far," Jay Weston Logsdon, with the Kootenai County Public Defender's office, wrote in the court document. Logsdon did not cite any examples of what he believed to be "twisted" media coverage."

To be fair, based on filed court documents, it is reasonable to assume that the preference to continue the gag order is not the defense's alone.

The only mentioned objection from the in-chambers meeting concerning the order (022423 Stipulation to Unseal with Redactions.pdf) is from Mr. Gray (the Goncalves' lawyer). The state was also generous enough to offer support "To aid the Court in review of the Motion submitted by Mr. Gray to "Appeal, Amend and/or Clarify Amended Nondissemination Order," after Mr. Gray filed his motion to Appeal the gag order.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Snipped by me for focus.

Are we considering this incident to be one of the 12 alleged stalking incidents? I don't consider him being 1.7 miles away from their home (in a town that 6.9 square miles) to be evidence of or even suspicious for stalking. It makes me wonder how far away he really was during all these incidents in which his phone pinged in that neighborhood.

Moscow, Idaho - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JMO.

I think this is a really valid point, and I also wonder what situations (transactions even) will be linked to those 12 incidents.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

@BeginnerSleuther it's really interesting that this is where he was stopped:

Farm Rd & W Pullman Rd · Moscow, ID 83843

Intersection

www.google.com

A busy intersection (4 total lanes in all directions) with strip malls and shopping. So there goes the lurking in the dark looking suspicious thing (not that "looking suspicious" is the same as clear and articulable suspicion required for a legal Terry Stop anyway).

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

And I guess that the person who wrote the article neglected to mention that the University of Idaho is located right by that intersection, too. This is the reason the gag order needs to stay in place, articles like this. <modsnip: Not victim friendly>

Excellent sleuthing, SGH! It really makes me wonder about all these other times he was allegedly stalking.

 

[al66pine]

There are Warrants for both the knife and the sheath.

Bryan Kohberger Case: Is This the Weapon Used to Kill Idaho Students?

Over 60 search warrant applications filed by the Moscow Police Department have been unsealed over the past week and obtained by Inside Edition Digital, including six seeking information about the sale of a KA-BAR knife.

www.insideedition.com

Over 60 search warrant applications filed by the Moscow Police Department have been unsealed over the past week and obtained by Inside Edition Digital, including six seeking information about the sale of a KA-BAR knife.

The judge overseeing the Kohberger murder trial approved all six of those applications, writing in her order that the documents succeeded in "showing probable cause establishing grounds for issuing search warrant and probable cause to believe that the property referred to and sought in or upon said premises consists of information for the crime(s) of homicide."

These applications were also filed prior to the arrest of Kohberger, and sought information from five retailers: Amazon, Walmart, Blue Ridge Knives, KA-BAR Knives, and eBay.

There were two separate applications submitted to eBay.

The warrants instructed each retailer to provide information about any individual who had purchased a KA-BAR Full Size US Marine Corps Fighting Knife

or a KA-BAR 1217S.

The KA-BAR 1217S is a leather sheath for holding the 1217 model, and is stamped with the words "KA-BAR" and "USMC," the abbreviation for the United States Marine Corps.

@Cool Cats
Thanks for your response w all this info about the subpoenas for the knife & sheath info.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

And I guess that the person who wrote the article neglected to mention that the University of Idaho is located right by that intersection, too. This is the reason the gag order needs to stay in place, articles like this. <modsnip: Not victim friendly>

And this does sound like a reasonable explanation, except for the fact that according to @Cool Cats it was at 11:40pm. IMO, that does make it a bit more suspicious than during regular hours. MOO.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

And this does sound like a reasonable explanation, except for the fact that according to @Cool Cats it was at 11:40pm. IMO, that does make it a bit more suspicious than during regular hours. MOO.

Possibly. Unless he was studying or shopping late or getting food - that whole area where he was stopped is filled with retail stuff, and he was almost 2 miles from their house, so I'm not quite sure how that constitutes suspicious behavior or stalking, even at 11:40 pm.

<modsnip>

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

And this does sound like a reasonable explanation, except for the fact that according to @Cool Cats it was at 11:40pm. IMO, that does make it a bit more suspicious than during regular hours. MOO.

I mean, if you consider who we're talking about...

Per neighbors, he was up at all hours. Didn't he go running in the middle of the night according to his running friend? 11 pm could very well have been "regular hours" to him.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Kohberger is seen for the first known time driving a white Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania license plates. He had been stopped for failing to wear a seatbelt while at the intersection of W Pullman and Farm roads in Moscow, Idaho, a citation filed by the Latah County Sheriff's office shows.

The intersection is 1.7 miles away from the home the college students lived in the night of the killing.

The intersection of W Pullman and Farm Road is right by Walmart, Target and Winco.

 

[schooling]

The intersection of W Pullman and Farm Road is right by Walmart, Target and Winco.

I had checked the hours of operation for those places and if I remember correctly there are at least 1 or 2 open until 11.

Edit: I will add though that everything seems benign when you look at it outside of the context of “this guys dna was found in the house”. So I’m not sure we can weight this information the same.

 

[Montecore1]

Possibly. Unless he was studying or shopping late or getting food - that whole area where he was stopped is filled with retail stuff, and he was almost 2 miles from their house, so I'm not quite sure how that constitutes suspicious behavior or stalking, even at 11:40 pm.

What was the "exact" mileage 1.7 miles? Its like the scenario some wrote about setting a timer for 17 mins and see how long that is. Get in your car, zero out the odometer and drive 1.7 miles away from your house...its not close TWISI