4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[BeginnerSleuther]

Ok but no stores were open the times he was spotted and pulled over.

You say times, but how do we know? The times haven't been revealed that I know of. Only this particular time of 11:37. Walmart closed at 11 pm. I don't know the other stores in the area and haven't checked their times. There are a number of reasons he could have been at that intersection at that time, IMO.

 

[Lava Lamp]

You say times, but how do we know? The times haven't been revealed that I know of. Only this particular time of 11:37. Walmart closed at 11 pm. I don't know the other stores in the area and haven't checked their times. There are a number of reasons he could have been at that intersection at that time, IMO.

Yep that is what I was talking about. Stores not open when he was pulled over.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yep that is what I was talking about. Stores not open when he was pulled over.

But how do you know? ATMs usually don't close, for example. Is there fast food with a 24-hour drive thru? Is there a 24-hour Walgreens or CVS? Could he have been delayed at Walmart, then gone to the ATM? Could he have been passing that intersection on the way to or back from the gym? We just don't know.

 

[Lava Lamp]

But how do you know? ATMs usually don't close, for example. Is there fast food with a 24-hour drive thru? Is there a 24-hour Walgreens or CVS? Could he have been delayed at Walmart, then gone to the ATM? Could he have been passing that intersection on the way to or back from the gym? We just don't know.

It Walmart is closed everything else would be too. Anyway, again IMO endless speculation is wasting energy since we know LE has thousands of pages of more evidence we don’t know about yet and won’t know till June. If there was evidence he is actually innocent he wouldn’t be sitting in jail rn.

 

[NCWatcher]

It Walmart is closed everything else would be too.

<modsnip> That's not the case where I live. Walmart doesn't control the hours of fast food places especially. And bank ATMs are available 24/7.
JMO

 

[Montecore1]

And this does sound like a reasonable explanation, except for the fact that according to @Cool Cats it was at 11:40pm. IMO, that does make it a bit more suspicious than during regular hours. MOO.

Possibly. Unless he was studying or shopping late or getting food - that whole area where he was stopped is filled with retail stuff, and he was almost 2 miles from their house, so I'm not quite sure how that constitutes suspicious behavior or stalking, even at 11:40 pm.

I had checked the hours of operation for those places and if I remember correctly there are at least 1 or 2 open until 11.

Ok but no stores were open the times he was spotted and pulled over.

And the area has a lot of retail, there's a Chase Bank and ATM right down the street from the shopping area, and it looks like there's fast food, etc. So IMO even if regular retail wasn't open, it's still reasonable to assume that he may have been accessing any number of other services, not to mention it was almost 2 miles from the King Street house. JMO

I think we may missing the elephant in the room here with all this discussion about the stores being closed at 11:40pm. He is in a college town, what do ya think many, many of the residence were doing, looking for a late night Walmart OR hitting the bars and clubs? He very well could of been out just having a drink or watching a game at a sports bar... (bars that were almost 2 miles away from the 1122 house) The last time I checked bars are open at 11:40pm and dont close till 2am.

Just MOOing here...

 

[Nila Aella]

I vaguely recalled that MPD requested agencies to lookout for elantras, so I went back to the PCA to check if they mentioned years in that request:

On Nov 25th MPD requested law enforcement agencies to be on the look out for white elantras in the area.
No year given in the PCA description of that request.
Four days later a WSU PO queried white elantras at WSU and found a 2015.

While I was looking at the PCA again, I noticed something I missed before:

Suspect vehicle 1: Page 6
3:28 on Styner/95 no front plate
3:29 first sighting at 1122 King Road.
Styner/95 is 3 minutes from King Road??????

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

JMO

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

But how do you know? ATMs usually don't close, for example. Is there fast food with a 24-hour drive thru? Is there a 24-hour Walgreens or CVS? Could he have been delayed at Walmart, then gone to the ATM? Could he have been passing that intersection on the way to or back from the gym? We just don't know.

There are also gas stations. Like you said, we just don't know. What we do know from looking at the map and zooming in and down the streets is that there is a lot there, and I think that for this to be suspicious or stalking, he'd need to have been closer to the house. Now maybe he was closer earlier, but again, we just don't know. What we do know is that the towns are very connected, and someone from one being in another is not a big deal. I've lived in three different sets of "twin cities" and went between the two all of the time without nefarious intent. I feel like that 1.7 miles in the PCA is a real leap to include it as evidence of stalking. jmo.

Farm Rd & W Pullman Rd · Moscow, ID 83843

Intersection

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[Deleted member 718]

I remember discussing the 24hr gym that's nearby. I'll try to find those posts when I get a minute.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I think we may missing the elephant in the room here with all this discussion about the stores being closed at 11:40pm. He is in a college town, what do ya think many, many of the residence were doing, looking for a late night Walmart OR hitting the bars and clubs? He very well could of been out just having a drink or watching a game at a sports bar... (bars that were almost 2 miles away from the 1122 house) The last time I checked bars are open at 11:40pm and dont close till 2am.

Just MOOing here...

You're right
b. On any other day between 1 o’clock A.M. and 10 o’clock A.M.

Section 23-927 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

Editing to add: Looks like the local ordinance allows bars to serve even later.

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[Nila Aella]

I think we may missing the elephant in the room here with all this discussion about the stores being closed at 11:40pm. He is in a college town, what do ya think many, many of the residence were doing, looking for a late night Walmart OR hitting the bars and clubs? He very well could of been out just having a drink or watching a game at a sports bar... (bars that were almost 2 miles away from the 1122 house)

100%
Bars/Clubs open until 2AM. Library open until 2AM. Two apartment buildings right next to King Road. Parties. Parks.
24 hour gym. Events.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It Walmart is closed everything else would be too.

Not true at all, in my experience. My local Walmart closes, but my supermarket is 24 hours as is CVS as is a 24-hour diner in town as is McDonald's. And like I said, ATMs don't close usually.

Anyway, again IMO endless speculation is wasting energy since we know LE has thousands of pages of more evidence we don’t know about yet and won’t know till June. If there was evidence he is actually innocent he wouldn’t be sitting in jail rn.

BBM. If that were true, we wouldn't see so many wrongful arrest lawsuits or people exonerated years or decades after they were found guilty.

 

[Nila Aella]

I remember discussing the 24hr gym that's nearby. I'll try to find those posts when I get a minute.

Anytime fitness is the 24 hour gym. 1.7 miles from King Road
MOO

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Not true at all, in my experience. My local Walmart closes, but my supermarket is 24 hours as is CVS as is a 24-hour diner in town as is McDonald's. And like I said, ATMs don't close usually.



BBM. If that were true, we wouldn't see so many wrongful arrest lawsuits or people exonerated years or decades after they were found guilty.

I would also think that if LE had BARD, they wouldn't have needed to call in two AGs for the case. Seems to me there's a lot more work ahead jmo

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I have been away. What is this about?

Some more discussion about the night BK was pulled over by LE and was given a citation for not wearing a seatbelt, and what he might or might not have been doing. IMO

ETA links to some MSM articles about it and excerpts in italics, noting some other MSM articles not linked here say 1.7 miles away from the house at 1122 King Rd and it was 11:37 pm -- I don't think it matters all that much, but that is IMO:

Idaho murders: Suspect Bryan Kohberger agrees to extradition, mouths 'I love you' to family
"The chief said the Moscow Police Department's only prior interaction with Kohberger was a traffic citation for not wearing a seat belt that was issued while the suspect drove the white Elantra."

Bryan Kohberger was stopped by police minutes from Idaho murders home in August
"A citation from Latah County Sheriff’s Office, obtained by The Independent, reveals that the 28-year-old criminology PhD student was stopped by police on 21 August for failing to wear his seatbelt.
The traffic stop took place at around 11.40pm at the intersection of West Pullman Road and Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho.

It is not clear what Mr Kohberger was doing in the area at the time – just 1.7 miles and a five-minute drive from the home on King Road where Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death on 13 November after returning from a night out.
At the time of the August incident, Mr Kohberger was driving his white Hyundai Elantra – the same vehicle that would later be at the centre of the investigation into the murders and ultimately lead to his arrest."

Idaho murder suspect pulled over near victims' home weeks before killings.
"Latah County Sheriff confirmed to TMZ that in late August, Kohberger was pulled over about 1.5 miles from the home where the murders occurred in November.
Kohberger was stopped at 11.40pm on August 21 and received a ticket for failing to wear a seat belt, according to the traffic citation.
The traffic stop reportedly occurred just outside of the University of Idaho campus, where the four victims were students.
He was driving a white Hyundai Elantra, which was later the vehicle police were seeking information on in regard to the killings."

 

[Nila Aella]

dbm

On a side note, jumping off your post, I have always wondered why we didn't see a search warrant from LE for the info on BK's vehicle registration for parking at WSU. Unless I missed it in the search warrants by LE in Pullman.

Seems to me that students at WSU would be very uncomfortable about their office of parking services giving informaton to Pullman LE without a search warrant. But maybe I'm missing something.

There is a sealed WSU search warrant

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20Washington%20State%20University.pdf

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

There is a sealed WSU search warrant

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20Washington%20State%20University.pdf

Yep, but that one came end of January and was at the same time as DropBox, Tinder, TikTok (IIRC). I have that info in an earlier thread. And at that point, it's hard to imagine why the warrant and affidavit would need to be sealed completely. I think anything required for BK's car would be much earlier.

Based upon the Motion to Seal Search Warrant and Related Documents filed herein,
the Court does hereby confirm and ORDER that the Affadavit for Search Warrant (including
any exhibits), Search Warrant, Return of Search Warrant (including the inventory of items
seized) and Order are confidential, exempt from disclosure and are SEALED pursuant to Idaho
Court Administrative Rule 32(g)(1) for the reasons stated in the said Motion...

Interfere with enforcement proceedings;
Deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication;
Constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy,
Disclose the identity of a confidential source; and/or
Disclose investigative techniques and procedures.

 

[SophieRose]

Not true at all, in my experience. My local Walmart closes, but my supermarket is 24 hours as is CVS as is a 24-hour diner in town as is McDonald's. And like I said, ATMs don't close usually.



BBM. If that were true, we wouldn't see so many wrongful arrest lawsuits or people exonerated years or decades after they were found guilty.

This was discussed early on. The only 24 hour supermarket in the Pullman/ Moscow area is WinCo located in Moscow.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

This was discussed early on. The only 24 hour supermarket in the Pullman/ Moscow area is WinCo located in Moscow.

IOW, right by where he was stopped.

https://www.wincofoods.com/stores/win-co-foods-moscow-29/4718

 

[Chloegirl]

But how do you know? ATMs usually don't close, for example. Is there fast food with a 24-hour drive thru? Is there a 24-hour Walgreens or CVS? Could he have been delayed at Walmart, then gone to the ATM? Could he have been passing that intersection on the way to or back from the gym? We just don't know.

WinCo is a grocery store and it is open 24 hours so there you go! & Yes this was discussed at nauseam initially.