4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[ktm44]

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. All I said was that two added was a sign - imo - that this was expected to be a long process, complicated, not a slam dunk, and not a plea deal. And yes, I should have written two Assistant Attorneys General (or Deputy? IDR), but I didn't (I guess I should have written AsG, but that would be even more confusing) It's jmo what it means to add them. I've heard both sides. When posters roll up and say it's a done deal or BK will do a plea deal, I disagree. No more complicated than that. I don't think it's unusual or unreasonable that two more or added, but I just think it's an indicator.

I don't think there are any slam dunks and I personally believe that any prosecuting attorney that believes there are should replaced immediately.

The Douglas Garland trial was somewhat personal for me so I watched the trial fairly closely and it was entirely comprised of circumstantial evidence.

One of the most interesting parts of the trial for me was the incredible amount of courtroom time the Crown put into having LE establish how much effort they put into looking at other potential suspects and how they cleared each individual. Based on the fairly quick conviction, it seems it was enough to convince a jury that LE did their due dilligence and did not focus on a single individual from the onset and I would hope that LE has done much the same here.

 

[Sundog]

Because the Dropbox, TikTok and YikYak warrants all happened at the same time, one possible scenario is that WSU IT & Data Reporting did their own forensic data deep-dive investigation.

This would have nothing to do with the registrar's office, but would be handled by the Office of Information Technology Services. ITS is capable of this, but definitely not the registrar's office.

Edited to add link to IT division at WSU -

ITS Leadership Team

[email protected] ITB 2143 [email protected] ITB 2144 509-335-8017 [email protected] ITB 2147A 509-335-1790 [email protected] REMOTE 509-335-0690 [email protected] ITB 2110 509-335-9008 [email protected] Holland 150 509-335-0898 [email protected] REMOTE 509-335-0637...

its.wsu.edu

 

[al66pine]

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. All I said was that two added was a sign - imo - that this was expected to be a long process, complicated, not a slam dunk, and not a plea deal. And yes, I should have written two Assistant Attorneys General (or Deputy? IDR), but I didn't (I guess I should have written AsG, but that would be even more confusing) ....

snipped for focus @Sister Golden Hair
My apologies. At top of my earlier post, I wrote "2 AG's?" which repeated question in your post which itself did not actually puzzle me. I was puzzled by response(s?) explaining why BK had 2 attys (PD's).

Then thinking perhaps I misunderstood your post, I posted.
This a.m., re-reading, I see basis for confusion. Again, sorry.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

This would have nothing to do with the registrar's office, but would be handled by the Office of Information Technology Services. ITS is capable of this, but definitely not the registrar's office.

Edited to add link to IT division at WSU -

ITS Leadership Team

[email protected] ITB 2143 [email protected] ITB 2144 509-335-8017 [email protected] ITB 2147A 509-335-1790 [email protected] REMOTE 509-335-0690 [email protected] ITB 2110 509-335-9008 [email protected] Holland 150 509-335-0898 [email protected] REMOTE 509-335-0637...

its.wsu.edu

IT & Data Reporting is listed as one thing done under Office of Registrar. IDK. Just reading what's on their link.

Editing to add link Contact the Office of the Registrar | University of Idaho

Perhaps the two offices worked together and it was disseminated through the Office? IDK. It's one possible scenario, and I haven't read anything else that fits all the criteria but I'm certainly open to it. Certainly basic records alone would not seem to qualify for a complete seal IMO. I just don't think we can say definitively that only the IT division would have been involved, and I don't think either of us can speak to it definitively because there are variables we don't know, so that's why I qualify with JMO and describe it as one possible scenario. I didn't quote or reply to a post because I didn't want to argue about it, just wanted to throw one possible idea out there.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

snipped for focus @Sister Golden Hair
My apologies. At top of my earlier post, I wrote "2 AG's?" which repeated question in your post which itself did not actually puzzle me. I was puzzled by response(s?) explaining why BK had 2 attys (PD's).

Then thinking perhaps I misunderstood your post, I posted.
This a.m., re-reading, I see basis for confusion. Again, sorry.

So then you misunderstood my post and I didn't understand the question and then I responded to a question you weren't really asking about a post you misunderstood and then I muddied the waters further by not responding clearly lolol somehow this makes sense to me today

I apologize, too, but I'm not sure for what, but I'm sure there's something

 

[Nila Aella]

But why would it be directed to the Office of the Registrar? None of this is within the scope of their responsibilities. There would be no need for the Registrar to know these details. S/he he would only know of these kinds of details if there was gossip or speaking out of turn due to FERPA, so would not be able to respond to the request with any official statements about these issues.

I thought all student records were held at the office of the registrar?

The Office of the Registrar provides state-of-the-art service in the areas of registration and student records

Registrar's Office | University of Idaho

Find details on enrollment, registration, transcripts and more to support your academic success at University of Idaho Registrar’s Office.

www.uidaho.edu

Transcripts, schedules, registration applications, course work, enrollment, tuition, grades, but also conduct. (#45 under acedemic regulations)

Academic Regulations | Office of the Registrar

MOO

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I thought all student records were held at the office of the registrar?

The Office of the Registrar provides state-of-the-art service in the areas of registration and student records

Registrar's Office | University of Idaho

Find details on enrollment, registration, transcripts and more to support your academic success at University of Idaho Registrar’s Office.

www.uidaho.edu

Transcripts, schedules, registration applications, course work, enrollment, tuition, grades, but also conduct. (#45 under acedemic regulations)

Academic Regulations | Office of the Registrar

MOO

They also list IT Reporting Services. Probably this is all spaghetti at wall because we just don't have enough information. That could even be why they sealed the warrant and affidavit lol (<<teasing, not snark )

 

[NCWatcher]

I thought all student records were held at the office of the registrar?

The Office of the Registrar provides state-of-the-art service in the areas of registration and student records

Registrar's Office | University of Idaho

Find details on enrollment, registration, transcripts and more to support your academic success at University of Idaho Registrar’s Office.

www.uidaho.edu

Transcripts, schedules, registration applications, course work, enrollment, tuition, grades, but also conduct. (#45 under acedemic regulations)

Academic Regulations | Office of the Registrar

MOO

I'm not sure the registrar's office is responsible for all those listed items printed under academic regulations. For example, #24 is tuition and fees. The registrar's office may print the tuition/fee schedule but that office doesn't collect money and keep those kinds of records. That falls to the Cashier's Office or the Bursar's Office. The very last item on that list relates to solicitation of faculty not being permitted. That's not the registrar's job to regulate either.

In the case of conduct records/honor code violations, those records are usually kept by the Dean of Students or Office of Student Affairs, not the registrar, at least in my experience.
JMO

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I'm not sure the registrar's office is responsible for all those listed items printed under academic regulations. For example, #24 is tuition and fees. The registrar's office may print the tuition/fee schedule but that office doesn't collect money and keep those kinds of records. That falls to the Cashier's Office or the Bursar's Office. The very last item on that list relates to solicitation of faculty not being permitted. That's not the registrar's job to regulate either.

In the case of conduct records/honor code violations, those records are usually kept by the Dean of Students or Office of Student Affairs, not the registrar, at least in my experience.
JMO

Is it possible that the University leadership/counsel would request LE serve the warrant to the OotR and that office would disseminate the information instead of having warrants fly willy-nilly around campus? (I don't know the answer to this, so I'm spitballing).

Edited to clarify based on convo w/NC Watcher below. It's only my job to confuse @al66pine today. Everyone else is off the hook for today

 

[NCWatcher]

Is it possible - and I do not know the answer to this, so it's not a leading question - that the Office of the Registrar would request LE serve the warrant to the OotR and that office would disseminate the information instead of having warrants fly willy-nilly around campus?

That wouldn't be likely in the universities I know. But it depends on the organization, I guess. In my experience, the Registrar's Office would have no authority to suggest how warrants would be handled at a university. The Registar primarily keeps grade and graduation records. He/she doesn't make university policy (in general) and doesn't oversee the operation of the university. I'd think IF that decision was made (and I think it would be odd if it was made-- that is for one office to be responsible for distributing warrants internally) the decision would be made by the university president/chancellor in conjunction with university counsel. Not by the (lowly) Registrar. But that's JMO.

 

[Wallendo]

I believe this will be a long technically oriented trial.

The only currently released evidence that BK was at the scene is the DNA on the knife sheath. Obviously the DNA will do everything possible to exclude this evidence, and if not able to do that, will try to raise as many doubts as possible.

The FBI expert who originally excluded BK's automobile but then later included it in the date range will need to explain under oath why he did so. Was he informed prior to the change of suspect vehicle out of the date range prior to changing his opinion. The defense will find an expert to testify the FBI was originally correct.

BK turned his phone off on the night of the attacks. If his phone did not record satellite geolocation during that period, then he cannot be definitively placed at the house during that episode.

IMHO, it is hard to fit the known data into a scenario where BK is not the culprit. But it will take a good effort by the prosecution to remove reasonable doubt.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I'd think IF that decision was made (and I think it would be odd if it was made-- that is for one office to be responsible for distributing warrants internally) the decision would be made by the university president/chancellor in conjunction with university counsel. Not by the (lowly) Registrar. But that's JMO.

That's what I was suggesting, is that counsel / leadership somehow for some reason directed the warrant to be delivered there in one central place. IDK. I am winging it here, but just wondering if it's possible. Who knows, though. Maybe a lot of things...

 

[NCWatcher]

That's what I was suggesting, is that counsel / leadership somehow for some reason directed the warrant to be delivered there in one central place. IDK. I am winging it here, but just wondering if it's possible. Who knows, though. Maybe a lot of things...

Got it!

 

[maskedwoman]

I've heard other opinions as well. But they may be right. Or not. I think it tells us that there's a lot of work ahead, so while not unusual, certainly wouldn't be needed if this was going to be an obvious slam dunk or plea deal imo.

I think there is zero chance of a plea deal, although I would be delighted to be wrong about that. If anyone has characterized this case as a slam dunk, I've forgotten it, but someone probably did at some point. Still, I can't imagine someone with this DA's experience not throwing everything he has and can beg/borrow/steal into this case. Even if he thought it was shaping up to be a slam dunk, only a fool would treat this case like a cakewalk and set himself up to get buried by the defense. MOOooo

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[Sister Golden Hair]

I think there is zero chance of a plea deal, although I would be delighted to be wrong about that. If anyone has characterized this case as a slam dunk, I've forgotten it, but someone probably did at some point. Still, I can't imagine someone with this DA's experience not throwing everything he has and can beg/borrow/steal into this case. Even if he thought it was shaping up to be a slam dunk, only a fool would treat this case like a cakewalk and set himself up to get buried by the defense. MOOooo

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I have seen the slam dunk, 1000s of pages, etc. thing, and that's why I qualify. I don't think the DA has tried anything of this magnitude, and I definitely understand the request for help. Just saying I think it's an indicator. I think you and I are on the same legal-size page And I'll only agree to a plea deal if they open up the documents. That's the only way

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

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Just a small notation, Nila.
According to your admirable research skills, this means the campus library was on its last day of Summer Hours and closed at 8pm on Sunday, Aug 21, 2023.
Not that it really means anything to the lengthy debate about where BK might have been the hour before he was stopped by LE as it's unreasonable to try to list all the places that that were possibilities.
But since it was singled out and we're all trying so very hard to stick to every single little fact - I thought it might be important to note.

 

[Nila Aella]

Just a small notation, Nila.
According to your admirable research skills, this means the campus library was on its last day of Summer Hours and closed at 8pm on Sunday, Aug 21, 2023.
Not that it really means anything to the lengthy debate about where BK might have been the hour before he was stopped by LE as it's unreasonable to try to list all the places that that were possibilities.
But since it was singled out and we're all trying so very hard to stick to every single little fact - I thought it might be important to note.

Oops, missed that.
TY!

 

[PrairieWind]

I think there is zero chance of a plea deal, although I would be delighted to be wrong about that. If anyone has characterized this case as a slam dunk, I've forgotten it, but someone probably did at some point. Still, I can't imagine someone with this DA's experience not throwing everything he has and can beg/borrow/steal into this case. Even if he thought it was shaping up to be a slam dunk, only a fool would treat this case like a cakewalk and set himself up to get buried by the defense. MOOooo

ETA missing word

I could see the prosecutor offering to take the DP off the table (he hasn't actually decided to pursue a death sentence yet) in return for a guilty plea. But I don't know that it would be taken by BK. I'm not sure the DA will pursue dp, but even if he does, BK knows the changes of him actually being executed if found guilty are slim to none.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I agree. The only other real difference I saw was the color of the grill and I don't know how many versions of that car were available. Some vehicles have all kinds of trim options so, at this point, I don't know if that was simply a different trim option or an actual difference between the model years.

I realize that the FBI has cool tools to help them clean up pictures and videos, and I'm sure they do a lot more than Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop, but I don't think even the FBI can fix everything. Headlights create glare on the cameras, bad angles as the car comes through, speeding car creates blur, a car passing the other way blocks the view, bushes or trees between the car and camera, etc.

But that's exactly the point, right? I, for one, am not blaming the FBI for getting it wrong initially. I'm saying the fact that they got it wrong initially (for whatever reason -- little difference in the two models, glare, bad video, etc), is in the defense's favor. JMO

 

[Boxer]

But that's exactly the point, right? I, for one, am not blaming the FBI for getting it wrong initially. I'm saying the fact that they got it wrong initially (for whatever reason -- little difference in the two models, glare, bad video, etc), is in the defense's favor. JMO

MOO dont know if it was "wrong" or tailored to not panic BK.