4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[jepop]

Like everyone else, I'm guessing, but I have an inkling that the Trespass letter is related to the murder charges and the negative publicity associated with it due to BK's position.

IIRC, his profile as a TA was still live until just after the arrest was announced (can anyone confirm or disprove?). Clearly, it does not truly make a difference to me if he was or was not relieved of his TA position; however, if he was, it seems odd that the university would leave BK's information on their site for the twoish weeks between the dated letter out there when he was fired and the PCAs release.

Has anyone compared the verfiable letter from WSU in the latest document release to the other letter posted about BK's firing?

RBBM: It would be handy to have a link to show that his profile was still live until just after his arrest? He may still have been up as a PHD student because as far as I'm aware he was only let go as a TA on Dec 19th and not expelled as a student (two separate matters). MOO

I think it's reasonable to infer that the trespass letter is related to the investigation WSU was conducting in late DEC/early Jan into claims by students of unfair grading and sexism as reported by the NYT in early February. I believe this was a separate matter to WSU having let BK go from his TA position on DEc 19th. MOO. On the basis of a NYT report, IMO BK was let go as TA on DEC 19th and WSU had commenced an investigation into his conduct towards students (possibly sexism) in late DEC early Jan.

See post below for details and source.

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

As suspected, the testing of DNA was not done by the State of Idaho but was farmed out. This is getting all that info. But we are pretty far along. Is the defense late or was the info to them late? We are just over a month from pretrial. Am I reading the wrong document? Not being snippy...

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& quote from trespass admonition that informs my opinion.
"RE: Trespass Admonition
This admonition is to inform you that you have been trespassed from all areas of
Washington State University campuses...[snipped by me]...This admonition is effective immediately and will continue until pending student conduct charges have been resolved..."

 

[I'm Nobody]

Jim Rathmann joins Websleuths (youtube) with the latest on Bryan Kohberger​

with Tricia Griffith
Scheduled for May 6, 2023
"WE GO LIVE TONIGHT AT 9:30 PM EASTERN (Make note we are going an hour early)"

Sat. 5/6/23 Former Secret Service agent and homicide detective Jim Rathmann is back to discuss the latest info about murder suspect Bryan Kohberger.

Edit: My browser doesn't show this. It's probably on here somewhere.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

QUOTE

"It wasn't reasonable to take his phone with him, though. I wonder why that was part of his script, I really do."

This question of his phone is a real head scratcher. I can think of only 2 reasons he would bring his phone.

1.) Ignorance. He thought turning it off was enough, didn't understand all the implications of bringing it.

2.) He actually did NOT plan to commit murder that night. Maybe did not plan to commit murder at all. Not planning a crime means it was safe to take the phone.

So then why take a knife and wear black clothes and mask?

Because he was returning to the house several times creeping through it, stalking, getting a thrill out of it. Disguised and with a weapon just in case he encountered someone. I don't think he had it planned out necessarily as well as we think - in regards to actually encountering an awake person.

Crimes like this normally show some type of escalation and creeping around in the house having that power and control over the victims is a good way to pave the way for this possible stalking behavior to have escalated.

He had opportunity. His phone pinged 11 times in that area late night/early morning.

He could have been simply doing another stalking foray but encountered awake victins, thus, unplanned, went into a killing frenzy because the occupants would likely call 911 for an intruder.

Remember, DM said she heard a male voice say something like "Don't worry I'm going to help you." And a roommate said "Someone is here."

If true, it sounds like Bryan was caught red-handed and his way out was to get rid of these witnesses to his late night burglary and stalking behaviors. A sure fire way to get himself arrested and ruin his life if he let these witnesses call 911.

No women were going to ruin his life.

(Theory as to why he brought his phone)

I agree with this idea - that he may have gone to the house with zero intention to murder anyone, just creep around the house

<modsnip - LE said MONTHS ago it was unrelated. Also, if you can't link, don't mention it> then maybe he was going to try and lure the dog out and do same?

 

[maconrich]

RBBM: It would be handy to have a link to show that his profile was still live until just after his arrest? He may still have been up as a PHD student because as far as I'm aware he was only let go as a TA on Dec 19th and not expelled as a student (two separate matters). MOO

I think it's reasonable to infer that the trespass letter is related to the investigation WSU was conducting in late DEC/early Jan into claims by students of unfair grading and sexism as reported by the NYT in early February. I believe this was a separate matter to WSU having let BK go from his TA position on DEc 19th. MOO. On the basis of a NYT report, IMO BK was let go as TA on DEC 19th and WSU had commenced an investigation into his conduct towards students (possibly sexism) in late DEC early Jan.

See post below for details and source.

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

As suspected, the testing of DNA was not done by the State of Idaho but was farmed out. This is getting all that info. But we are pretty far along. Is the defense late or was the info to them late? We are just over a month from pretrial. Am I reading the wrong document? Not being snippy...

www.websleuths.com

& quote from trespass admonition that informs my opinion.
"RE: Trespass Admonition
This admonition is to inform you that you have been trespassed from all areas of
Washington State University campuses...[snipped by me]...This admonition is effective immediately and will continue until pending student conduct charges have been resolved..."

There was a decent discussion on here about the fact BK's info, including photo, were still in place until shortly after his arrest. LE also noted his name was still on the office door he shared with 2 other WSU students (re search warrant).

"Kohberger also was listed as an assistant instructor for three undergraduate criminal justice courses led by professor John Snyder, the department’s criminal justice club adviser and global director. The university has since removed his name online in that teaching assistant role, too."

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article270876677.html#storylink=cpy

LE describing Bryan's office: pages 149-150

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

 

[jepop]

There was a decent discussion on here about the fact BK's info, including photo, were still in place until shortly after his arrest. LE also noted his name was still on the office door he shared with 2 other WSU students (re search warrant).

"Kohberger also was listed as an assistant instructor for three undergraduate criminal justice courses led by professor John Snyder, the department’s criminal justice club adviser and global director. The university has since removed his name online in that teaching assistant role, too."

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article270876677.html#storylink=cpy

LE describing Bryan's office: pages 149-150

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

That seems pretty possible and understandable IMO... Lost his TA position on 19th Dec, but still enrolled as PHD student (shared office space), then Christmas break, WSU investigation commencing into student complaints somewhere in there along with the arrest. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree with this idea - that he may have gone to the house with zero intention to murder anyone, just creep around the house

<modsnip - LE said MONTHS ago it was unrelated. Also, if you can't link, don't mention it> then maybe he was going to try and lure the dog out and do same?

It's hard to believe BK came into the house at 4 am with a KBAR knife just to prowl around. Anything is possible, but I just don't think so.

MOO

 

[maconrich]

That seems pretty possible and understandable IMO... Lost his TA position on 19th Dec, but still enrolled as PHD student (shared office space), then Christmas break, WSU investigation commencing into student complaints somewhere in there along with the arrest. MOO

Wasn't his office tied to his TA position? I'm not sure why I've thought that (instead of PhD students having an office)?

Personally I think things moved pretty fast once WSU realized he was the main suspect in the murders, and they were set to erase him from their website (and probably physical site as well) as soon as they were alerted to the arrest. At that point, as in during all of this, I don't think they were thinking much about the complaints / accusations they'd dismissed at the meeting (that supposedly led to his termination as a TA). IMHO they were focused on making sure he couldn't come back if he was released on bail. All MOO and MOE based on how important it is for colleges and unis to maintain good reputations for financial reasons (donations, funding). Now if he hadn't been a suspect and arrested for murder, it's entirely possible WSU would have dealt with him in other ways (to force him out).

 

[Megnut]

Do we know where BK turned his phone off (or onto airplane mode) as he traveled toward Moscow and where he reversed it?

I have wondered if that wasn't an intentional step toward alibi-building.

Consider: he'd know there were cameras on his campus as well as in his town. He was leaving home, no easy way to do that outside detection. So he may have left boldly.

Drives to a predetermined location, manipulates his phone -- which gives the appearance of parking himself there. Then after the murders, manipulates his phone again, at the same location (per my theory), establishing digitally that he had fallen asleep in one place or gone running or some other thing, that he been with his phone that whole time.

Maybe?

 

[maconrich]

Do we know where BK turned his phone off (or onto airplane mode) as he traveled toward Moscow and where he reversed it?

I have wondered if that wasn't an intentional step toward alibi-building.

Consider: he'd know there were cameras on his campus as well as in his town. He was leaving home, no easy way to do that outside detection. So he may have left boldly.

Drives to a predetermined location, manipulates his phone -- which gives the appearance of parking himself there. Then after the murders, manipulates his phone again, at the same location (per my theory), establishing digitally that he had fallen asleep in one place or gone running or some other thing, that he been with his phone that whole time.

Maybe?

page 13-14 of PCA. Sorry I can't make it copy and paste:

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

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[jepop]

Wasn't his office tied to his TA position? I'm not sure why I've thought that (instead of PhD students having an office)?

Personally I think things moved pretty fast once WSU realized he was the main suspect in the murders, and they were set to erase him from their website (and probably physical site as well) as soon as they were alerted to the arrest. At that point, as in during all of this, I don't think they were thinking much about the complaints / accusations they'd dismissed at the meeting (that supposedly led to his termination as a TA). IMHO they were focused on making sure he couldn't come back if he was released on bail. All MOO and MOE based on how important it is for colleges and unis to maintain good reputations for financial reasons (donations, funding). Now if he hadn't been a suspect and arrested for murder, it's entirely possible WSU would have dealt with him in other ways (to force him out).

They may or may ot have been thinking much about it I guess. Just MOO but I believe there was a separate investigation into student complaints (they weren't dismissed at the meeting that decided his termination) after he was terminated as TA. He was cleared of wrong doing re those complaints in by Feb as per NYT report. IMO letter of Trespass refers to that investigation which was ongoing at the time even though BK was in jail in PA.

 

[jepop]

Do we know where BK turned his phone off (or onto airplane mode) as he traveled toward Moscow and where he reversed it?

I have wondered if that wasn't an intentional step toward alibi-building.

Consider: he'd know there were cameras on his campus as well as in his town. He was leaving home, no easy way to do that outside detection. So he may have left boldly.

Drives to a predetermined location, manipulates his phone -- which gives the appearance of parking himself there. Then after the murders, manipulates his phone again, at the same location (per my theory), establishing digitally that he had fallen asleep in one place or gone running or some other thing, that he been with his phone that whole time.

Maybe?

From memory per PCA, he disconnected from the network at c2.47am,around the southern area of NE Stadium Way where it intersects with NE Nevada Street in Pullman (approx). Reconnected c4.48am, probably on highway 95 south of Moscow near/in the vicinity of Blaine (phone was using the same "cellular resources" as Blaine when he switched on). Have a similar problem as others cutting and pasting from PCA listed at beginning of each thread!

ETA: So sorry, having read the rest of your post, I guess the answer there is no he didn't leave his phone in one place then return to that place after to pick it up, looks like he turned it off in Pullman when south-east of his residence then turned it on again when adjacent to Blaine, probably whilst driving on Highway 95, south of Moscow. The PCA then documents his phone pinging off various towers on his return journey in a circular fashion back to Pullman, all the way up NE Stadium to the intersection of Cougar Way/Street. MOO from PCA pp11 following.

 

[maconrich]

They may or may ot have been thinking much about it I guess. Just MOO but I believe there was a separate investigation into student complaints (they weren't dismissed at the meeting that decided his termination) after he was terminated as TA. He was cleared of wrong doing re those complaints in by Feb as per NYT report. IMO letter of Trespass refers to that investigation which was ongoing at the time even though BK was in jail in PA.

You're right: it wasn't that the claims / complaints were dismissed - he was cleared of wrong doing. That's what I remember too. And yes, they could have been conducting a separate investigation, and the letter of trespass could refer to that. But I don't think it's tied to the sealed warrant for / to WSU. All MOO.

 

[Megnut]

page 13-14 of PCA. Sorry I can't make it copy and paste:

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

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Thank you for directing me to that.

Pretty well destroys my theory.

So why? Simple miscalculation? In his hurry to get a move on, he forgot to disable his phone at home and then, as many have speculated, after the murders, he got himself lost and needed his phone to map his way home?

That changes the calculus for me. I think we might have to accept that, whatever planning he did do, it wasn't to avoid getting caught, it was only to bolster his ability to commit the intended crime.

He made zero effort to conceal his vehicle. Disabled his phone, I guess, to be less obvious, nothing smarter.

I think he maybe didn't care if he was caught, so long as he was able to complete what he set out to do.

A life in prison, not a deterrent.

Sick as it is, it might've felt like accomplishing his life's work. Maybe he entertained the fantasy for months or years and feels self-satisfied, knowing now what it feels like to do what he did. Career goal setting. Study the mind of a murderer. His.

IMO he purposefully left the academic setting in order to do just that.

Jmo

 

[maconrich]

Thank you for directing me to that.

Pretty well destroys my theory.

So why? Simple miscalculation? In his hurry to get a move on, he forgot to disable his phone at home and then, as many have speculated, after the murders, he got himself lost and needed his phone to map his way home?

That changes the calculus for me. I think we might have to accept that, whatever planning he did do, it wasn't to avoid getting caught, it was only to bolster his ability to commit the intended crime.

He made zero effort to conceal his vehicle. Disabled his phone, I guess, to be less obvious, nothing smarter.

I think he maybe didn't care if he was caught, so long as he was able to complete what he set out to do.

A life in prison, not a deterrent.

Sick as it is, it might've felt like accomplishing his life's work. Maybe he entertained the fantasy for months or years and feels self-satisfied, knowing now what it feels like to do what he did. Career goal setting. Study the mind of a murderer. His.

IMO he purposefully left the academic setting in order to do just that.

Jmo

Your theory makes more sense than how he seems to have done things. Leave the phone at home or at another location to help establish an alibi. Why he didn't is beyond me.

 

[jepop]

You're right: it wasn't that the claims / complaints were dismissed - he was cleared of wrong doing. That's what I remember too. And yes, they could have been conducting a separate investigation, and the letter of trespass could refer to that. But I don't think it's tied to the sealed warrant for / to WSU. All MOO.

No, neither do I!

 

[maconrich]

Ok, let me toss this out for consideration... Did we know Det. Payne interrogated BK? And if so, in PA or in ID?

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

 

[jepop]

Thank you for directing me to that.

Pretty well destroys my theory.

So why? Simple miscalculation? In his hurry to get a move on, he forgot to disable his phone at home and then, as many have speculated, after the murders, he got himself lost and needed his phone to map his way home?

That changes the calculus for me. I think we might have to accept that, whatever planning he did do, it wasn't to avoid getting caught, it was only to bolster his ability to commit the intended crime.

He made zero effort to conceal his vehicle. Disabled his phone, I guess, to be less obvious, nothing smarter.

I think he maybe didn't care if he was caught, so long as he was able to complete what he set out to do.

A life in prison, not a deterrent.

Sick as it is, it might've felt like accomplishing his life's work. Maybe he entertained the fantasy for months or years and feels self-satisfied, knowing now what it feels like to do what he did. Career goal setting. Study the mind of a murderer. His.

IMO he purposefully left the academic setting in order to do just that.

Jmo

Mobile phone addiction/dependence?? I was also really intrigued by one of @10ofRods theories about his vehicle being like some sort of caccooning safe shell for him. Just spitballing (right term?) ofcourse, passing the time MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

"2. Mr. Kohberger requests an Order for the State t0 disclose the following items included
in the Defendant’s 1” Supplemental Requestfor Discovery:
Reguest N0. 49 — All lab testing, including photographs and color diagrams
and bench notes including, but not limited to:
l. Copies of lab reports detailing the forensic evidence collection and
analysis of items recovered at Bryan Kohberger’s parents’ home,
trash cans and other receptacles, and Bryan Kohberger’s Hyundai Elantra.
As of May 4, 2023, Counsel for Mr. Kohberger has not received the requested
materials, and based upon information and belief these reports contain
exculpatory information."

"5. Mr. Kohberger requests an Order for the State to disclose the following items included
in the Defendant’s 2" Supplemental Request for Discovery:
Reguest No. 161 - All reports, notes, recordings and photos
As of May 4. 2023, Counsel for Mr. Kohberger has not received the requested
materials. On information and belief Counsel believes these materials contain
exculpatory evidence"

Interesting.

Why is the prosecution not handing this stuff over????
They have had the car for months, surely the testing has come back by now.
And the questioning/arrest of BK. That should have been one of the first things handed over to the defense IMO.

MOO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

Ok, let me toss this out for consideration... Did we know Det. Payne interrogated BK? And if so, in PA or in ID?

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

IMO PA. Because AT filed this in PA on 12/30

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/123022%20Invocation%20of%20Rights.pdf

 

[jepop]

Ok, let me toss this out for consideration... Did we know Det. Payne interrogated BK? And if so, in PA or in ID?

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

Yes, that really surprised me. I thought he was read his rights in PA. Payne must have met and interviewed/spoke to him Idaho, that's my best guess, but why would that have occurred without a member of his legal team in attendance?? MOO

 

[jepop]

Why is the prosecution not handing this stuff over????
They have had the car for months, surely the testing has come back by now.
And the questioning/arrest of BK. That should have been one of the first things handed over to the defense IMO.

MOO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

IMO PA. Because AT filed this in PA on 12/30

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/123022%20Invocation%20of%20Rights.pdf

RBBM: Ah, so maybe his lawyer when in PA (forgotten his name) was present during that interview do you think? MOO

ETA: Actually having just read the attachment, looks like Payne must have spoken to BK before Taylor filed the invocation of rights to only speak in the presence of his Idaho Counsel.That filing is dated 30 December at about 1pm. Whatever the time diffs are, I guess Payne got in there first? Perhaps straightbafter arrest which occurred very early (4amish?) on 30th DEC. I remember something in the press where the PA lawyer stated in interview he advised BK to not speak and maybe he had started to speak to police/Payne before being advised not to. Would have to go back a ways to see for sure. MOO

ETA: We cross posted, thanks for finding the source to the PA lawyer Le Bar. That's probably it as you say.