4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #79

[Boxer]

I really don't understand what he did to be pulled over.

In Washington state its illegal to pull torward into the intersection to wait to turn left.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I really don't understand what he did to be pulled over.

He pulled into the intersection, blocked traffic, and made a left on red.

 

[kittythehare]

Would a state agency be able to expel someone for being a suspect before s/he was found guilty? I don't think so. I am familiar with state agencies like universities that place faculty and staff on administrative

I don't know how much lE shared with them, probably quite a lot.
First duty is to protect their remaining students, I imagine
And of course their reputation.

I'm speculating because I don't know how it went down.

 

[Sundog]

In Washington state its illegal to pull torward into the intersection to wait to turn left.

Over the last two days, every time I do this while I am out driving, I wonder if it is legal. I've driven that way for years and never doubted it was legal, but now I realize I don't know. I need to check our state laws, or stop by the local police department and ask them, or give them a call. It would be good to know.

 

[Sundog]

I don't know how much lE shared with them, probably quite a lot.
First duty is to protect their remaining students, I imagine
And of course their reputation.

I'm speculating because I don't know how it went down.

I agree, but they would have to do so within the confines of the law. Especially as a state agency.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Over the last two days, every time I do this while I am out driving, I wonder if it is legal. I've driven that way for years and never doubted it was legal, but now I realize I don't know. I need to check our state laws, or stop by the local police department and ask them, or give them a call. It would be good to know.

I checked California and it's legal here to enter the intersection while waiting to make a left hand turn. If the light turns red while waiting it's okay.

So it depends on the State. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

I checked California and it's legal here to enter the intersection while waiting to make a left hand turn. If the light turns red while waiting it's okay.

So it depends on the State. JMO.

Good to know!

 

[wary]

I really don't understand what he did to be pulled over.

This one we’ve just heard about? As I understand it—and someone please correct me if I’m wrong—he pulled into an intersection when it wasn’t possible to clear the intersection. He didn’t get a chance to get out of the intersection until the light was red. Evidently, that’s an issue, in Washington state. (In my state, it’s either legal, or it’s the only traffic violation that I’ve never gotten stopped for.)

 

[maconrich]

Forgive me for intervening. I just want to say that I think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding here and just seems so unnecessary. IMO, posts sometimes have a number of different issues combined and so much comes down to clarity and addressing one issue at a time I think. I think the stuff about the warrants - you know posters looking at them and theorising about what they mean, the PC for this or that one, the redactions and so forth, is a separate issue to the discussion about discovery. Somehow, these two topics have got conflated here? Maybe?

The OP may have been talking about both when addressing their original post to SGH.

The prosecution ofcourse should be looking to hand over possible exculpatory evidence to defense in discovery, only that's not to do with the warrants and a poster's opinion that prosecutors were looking at everything when they applied for all those warrants we see half redacted etc. MOO.

RSBM

No problem re intervening. Possible misunderstanding and/or wording was off. Or I took certain things literally (and I did) and responded in kind.

We have a great group of mods here and snips were made. So a thank you to the mods and a thank you to you. ♥

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I checked California and it's legal here to enter the intersection while waiting to make a left hand turn. If the light turns red while waiting it's okay.

So it depends on the State. JMO.

MOO I think you are mistaken, it is not okay if the light turns red. It's only okay if you wait in the intersection and make it through before the light changes. If you blocked the intersection no matter how briefly, you violated the right of way of the vehicles that had a green light. This causes gridlock.
That is why BK got pulled over, he was blocking the intersection and vehicles that had a green light could not go until he could finish making his turn. It's a terrible problem in CA. Having sat thru multiple lights in the Bay Area, unable to go on a green light, this causes a lot of stress and road-rage.

In addition to the so-called anti-gridlock law, some cities prohibit entering an intersection to wait, even if you think you will clear before the light turns red.

Know the Road with the CHP: Do you legally have to keep the road clear for cross traffic?

If you're driving on a busy surface street, do you legally have to keep intersections clear for cross traffic? What about driveways?

abc30.com

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I agree.

KB overestimated his ability and knowledge of what he set out to do.

This is a man who makes three initial passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leaves. We've all read the AA this rsidential neighborhood has very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during
the early morning hours.

KB comes back and can be seen entering the area a fourth time about 4:04 am.
He can be seen driving, turning around and then driving back on King Road. Then of all things he unsuccessfully attempted to turn around in the road......After which he's next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at 4:20 am at a high rate of speed.

Now let's throw in turning off his phone, using airplane mode and cell pings...

Yeah, Dunning Kruger vibes is right on target.
:0/

Also he wasn't to know how many Ring Doorbells or Nest cameras or gate / garage / fence perimeter security cameras he was hitting, as well as car dashcams or vehicle motion sensored security cameras. Had he really scrutinised the frontage of every single home and checked every single vehicle? Of course not. So he was doing something very high risk and seemingly reckless. Unless he never intended to kill anyone that night and something unfolded.

JMO MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Also he wasn't to know how many Ring Doorbells or Nest cameras or gate / garage / fence perimeter security cameras he was hitting, as well as car dashcams or vehicle motion sensored security cameras. Had he really scrutinised the frontage of every single home and checked every single vehicle? Of course not. So he was doing something very high risk and seemingly reckless. Unless he never intended to kill anyone that night and something unfolded.

JMO MOO

All that unfolded was his knife, he had every intention of killing , there is no way that was a PlanB.

 

[Nila Aella]

A few points from the conduct code that might relate to the trespass letter MOO

WSU Student Conduct Code

https://dfkpq46c1l9o7.cloudfront.net/pdfs/cfa2dd72f7a044b367702d5d1ad02690.pdf

Washington State University, a community dedicated to the advancement of knowledge, expects all students to behave in a manner consistent with its high standards of scholarship and conduct. Students are expected to uphold these standards both on and off campus. When students violate the standards of conduct established by the University, and defined in Part I of this chapter, they are subject to the University disciplinary process defined in Part II of this chapter. Violations of the academic integrity standards, as defined in Part III of this chapter, subject students to the process for such violations, also in Part III. The purpose of these processes is to educate and to protect the welfare of the community.

A student is subject to discipline on or off university property. Off-campus conduct may be addressed when it is detrimental to the university’s mission.

Other Conduct WAC 504-25-140. Any other conduct that is detrimental to the university’s mission or threatens the health or safety of the community is prohibited.


Emergency Interventions and Interim Action WAC 504-25-202

1) A student or student organization involved in alleged misconduct is entitled to a hearing prior to the imposition of any disciplinary action. However, if there is cause to believe that the student or student organization poses an imminent threat to himself, herself, itself, to others or to property, immediate action may be taken prior to a hearing. An interim suspension shall not create a presumption of guilt. The Vice President for Student Affairs or designee may take one or more of the following interim actions: a) Interim restrictions. A student may be restricted from university facilities or assigned to alternate university housing. Students may also be restricted from contacting a person or a group. b) Interim suspension. A student may be suspended pending a hearing.

2) The Vice President for Student Affairs or designee shall notify the student or student organization in writing of the terms of the emergency restriction, suspension, and the reasons for the decision.

3) If interim action is taken, the student or student organization is entitled to a hearing as soon as is reasonably possible, but not later than ten calendar days after the action is taken.

Washington State Legislature administrative code
Standards of conduct for students

Chapter 504-26 WAC:

 

[girlhasnoname]

<snipped> Rules of Road in ID

49-660. STOPPING, STANDING OR PARKING PROHIBITED IN SPECIFIED PLACES. (1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, in compliance with law, the directions of a peace officer or traffic control device, no person shall:
(a) Stop, stand or park a vehicle:
1. On the traffic side of any vehicle stopped or parked at the edge or curb of a highway;
2. On a sidewalk;
3. Within an intersection;
4. On a crosswalk;
5. Between a safety zone and the adjacent curb or within thirty (30) feet of points on the curb immediately opposite the ends of a safety zone, unless a different length is indicated by signs or markings;
6. Alongside or opposite any highway excavation or obstruction when stopping, standing, or parking would obstruct traffic;
7. Upon any bridge or other elevated structure upon a highway or within a highway tunnel;
8. On any railroad tracks;
9. On any controlled-access highway;
10. At any place where traffic-control devices prohibit stopping.

Section 49-660 – Idaho State Legislature

 

[girlhasnoname]

Also he wasn't to know how many Ring Doorbells or Nest cameras or gate / garage / fence perimeter security cameras he was hitting, as well as car dashcams or vehicle motion sensored security cameras. Had he really scrutinised the frontage of every single home and checked every single vehicle? Of course not. So he was doing something very high risk and seemingly reckless. Unless he never intended to kill anyone that night and something unfolded.

JMO MOO

Then why enter in disguise, late at night with a very deadly knife? Not a Swiss pocket knife, not a short every day keep in your pocket kind of knife, but a knife almost 12 inches in overall length with a blade over 6 inches?

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't know if I would perceive him as sharp. If I didn't know he was charged with quadruple homicide, I would think he's a saddo who has gone beyond trying to evade a traffic violation ticket and was into the territory of trying to conversationally / time hijack the officer.

Sometimes people do that because they're so lonely they don't have any other way of engaging people. Sometimes they do it because they're not neurotypical and they get 'stuck' in questioning mode. Sometimes they do it because they find the other person attractive and hope to prolong the conversation. Many reasons.

Sociopaths and narcissists do it to test how long they can force you to engage with them before you assert a boundary.

JMO MOO

This part I totally agree with.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I checked California and it's legal here to enter the intersection while waiting to make a left hand turn. If the light turns red while waiting it's okay.

So it depends on the State. JMO.

It's illegal in my state, the intersection must be clear.

MOO

 

[U.N. Known]

Over the last two days, every time I do this while I am out driving, I wonder if it is legal. I've driven that way for years and never doubted it was legal, but now I realize I don't know. I need to check our state laws, or stop by the local police department and ask them, or give them a call. It would be good to know.

Same! I think it's illegal in my state, mainly because I have my mother's voice in my head telling me not to block intersections! I was in a neighboring state yesterday. While stopped at a light waiting to turn right, I noticed a car with the green light wasn't moving. When I looked further, I noticed that she would not have been able to clear the intersection had she moved forward. I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that this case immediately popped into my head when I noticed that!

 

[maskedwoman]

Just tossing this out there: Since the analysts couldn't get a good enough image to even guess at the license plate, it's also possible that, despite their cool tools, they couldn't make out enough detail about the car to be dead certain whether it was a 2015 or 2016. MOOooo

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

RBBM: Ah, so maybe his lawyer when in PA (forgotten his name) was present during that interview do you think? MOO Yes, I think this is referring to at the time of his arrest when J. Labar was representing him. MOO...

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[Warwick7]

All that unfolded was his knife, he had every intention of killing , there is no way that was a PlanB.

I was just getting ready to type the same thing.