4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[10ofRods]

Reminds me of the Golden State Killer, who went in people's houses at night while thay slept, took small things and escalated over time to rape and murder. He was a policeman for a couple of years.

I have theorized that BK always had a burglar kit with him in his car, ready to take opportunities to lurk or enter and that he had been doing B&E and getting away with it for some time.

Exactly. There are only so many psychological patterns/behavioral patterns associated with stranger killings (most are serial killers, not mass murderers).

I have also theorized the same (burglar/kill kit with him; opportunistic, lots of hot prowling, lots of getting away).

It's crazy that his own family suspected him.

(I would have applied the same profile before knowing who it was). The Golden State Killer is a case that I followed for years (I knew two of the victims in a social way - went to parties where they were present; work related things). Have spent years thinking about it and there are many, many behavioral similarities.

The small number of stranger mass murders in private residences convinced me that these murderers have more than a few things in common, not least of which is appearing to live a somewhat normal life. Both were involved in CJ/LE. GSK, however, did have a wife and kids (but the story of that is strange too).

IMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659728098932211714

 

[SophieRose]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659734096883621888

 

[wary]

Too much coincidence for me. Of course, even before there was a suspect, I felt that this was probably one of those creeper-crimes, in which the perp spent time watching, prowling, hot prowling and working up to murder.

Crazy that he was a suspect in the break-in, but not shocking.

imo



THANK you. Still not available for another hour with my subscription. Will watch tomorrow.

I have to say I'm glad some major news outlets are picking up the story. Needs to be done. Good timing, too.

Was he considered a suspect in the break-in before he was considered a suspect in the killings?

 

[Cindizzi]

Was he considered a suspect in the break-in before he was considered a suspect in the killings?

Dateline said the woman didn’t report it because nothing was stolen, just some of her things had been ”rearranged “ in her bedroom and bathroom.

They said that looking back it now appears that BK could have done it. She called him for advice and he came over and installed security cameras for her. He knew her Wi-Fi password so they are saying he did it to feel like a hero and also a sense of control. He might have gone on to spy on her which they say perpetrator will do before they escalate to harming someone.

I don’t know if all of this is actually from investigators on the case or opinions of the guests on Dateline.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

IMO, I am not surprised in the least that "this guy" (BK) may have done all kinds of creepy, horrible stuff before he "escalated" to murdering the four young innocent college students.

And, although I may be in the minority, I think he purposely designed with forethought, to "stage" the method of the murders (absolutely brutal, vicious stabbings of 4 innocent people in the middle of the night) to deflect interest away from everyday kinds of people, like he pretended to be.

I will never forget, within a few days of their murders, he reportedly said this to his neighbor:
Bryan Kohberger Told Neighbor Idaho Murders Were a 'Crime of Passion' and Cops Had 'No Leads' Weeks Before He Was Arrested.
"Bryan Kohberger reportedly told a neighbor that he believed the unsolved killings were a "crime of passion", weeks before he was arrested as the prime suspect in the brutal stabbings of the four Idaho university students. "

The neighbor described how Kohberger questioned him about the murders in November days after they took place. However, he did not want to reveal his name. "He brought it up in conversation, asked if I'd heard about the murders. Which I had," he said."

"At the time of our conversation it was only a few days after it happened. There wasn't much detail out," he said."

Design to deflect and set a ruse much? MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

Dateline said the woman didn’t report it because nothing was stolen, just some of her things had been ”rearranged “ in her bedroom and bathroom.

They said that looking back it now appears that BK could have done it. She called him for advice and he came over and installed security cameras for her. He knew her Wi-Fi password so they are saying he did it to feel like a hero and also a sense of control. He might have gone on to spy on her which they say perpetrator will do before they escalate to harming someone.

I don’t know if all of this is actually from investigators on the case or opinions of the guests on Dateline.

Adding this to the break-in incident. On the show they called her a colleague and said she hadn’t known him very long.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659738765299191809

 

[Charlot123]

Dateline also just reported that a classmate of BK at Pullman had someone break into her apartment and not take anything, but move things around. She didn't report it to LE because nothing was taken. But she did call BK and he offered to go over to her apartment and have a look. He recommended she install a video security system and he offered to install it. So she did, and he did install it. And he knew the password, since he installed it. Just an interesting fact they reported, since Dateline is looking at the possibility that the murders followed a progression of actions by BK.

Also, in Moscow, close to the King Road House, about a month or so before (IIRC) a student who lived in a sorority nearby reported that she had left a suitcase in her car overnight, and in the morning the suitcase was found outside of her car. And stuff she had in her car in the center console, etc. were now in the suitcase. And a piece of her underwear that had been in her suitcase was placed in a cubby area of her side door console. Creepy and weird, police came and took a report, agreed it was weird. No proof this was related to BK, but they wonder if BK was progressing toward the murders by taking steps of peeping, doing odd things.

Now they wonder if BK was involved in some of these reports around the time before the murders and in the area.

I remember the second episode, and indeed, it left a very strange feeling, as if someone deeply ill spend a night in a girl's car, engaged in some weirdness. I remember the policemen advised the inhabitants to install cameras, and if I am not mistaken, they did it.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Dateline also just reported that a classmate of BK at Pullman had someone break into her apartment and not take anything, but move things around. She didn't report it to LE because nothing was taken. But she did call BK and he offered to go over to her apartment and have a look. He recommended she install a video security system and he offered to install it. So she did, and he did install it. And he knew the password, since he installed it. Just an interesting fact they reported, since Dateline is looking at the possibility that the murders followed a progression of actions by BK.

Also, in Moscow, close to the King Road House, about a month or so before (IIRC) a student who lived in a sorority nearby reported that she had left a suitcase in her car overnight, and in the morning the suitcase was found outside of her car. And stuff she had in her car in the center console, etc. were now in the suitcase. And a piece of her underwear that had been in her suitcase was placed in a cubby area of her side door console. Creepy and weird, police came and took a report, agreed it was weird. No proof this was related to BK, but they wonder if BK was progressing toward the murders by taking steps of peeping, doing odd things.

Now they wonder if BK was involved in some of these reports around the time before the murders and in the area.

I thought they said the underwear episode happened the March prior?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The suspect, now facing the death penalty for four counts of murder, grew up in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, and had only moved to Washington state in the summer of 2022 to begin his graduate program.

Bryan Kohberger was fired from WSU teaching job days before Idaho murders arrest

His attitude towards women was cited as a key concern, with the criminal justice student allegedly having a ‘sexist attitude towards females he interacted with at the school’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Angela Alvarez, a WSU senior majoring in psychology, first met Kohberger last August when he moved into Steptoe Village in Pullman, WA. He filled the apartment above her and her husband, which had been vacant since they moved in Jan. 2021.

Shocked Neighbors of Idaho Suspect Say He Was a ‘Lone Wolf’

Angela Alvarez had an alleged murderer living just above her for over a month after the grisly killings and said she didn’t suspect a thing.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Nova]

That's right, thanks for the reminder, @wary, and that Idaho allows an Alford plea @mickey2942

That an Alford plea is an option in Idaho, could change things in terms of whether and how BK may plead.

I recall reading through the I.C.R. that there are more than just the 2 options to plea, not guilt or guilty, but I didn't consider this !

Ugghhhh, jmo

Doesn't an Alford plea have to be accepted by the prosecution? Or is it merely that most defendants have no motive to Alford unless they are offered some incentive by the DA? Seriously asking; I don't know the answer, but in the Alford pleas I've read about, there was mutual agreement by both sides.

 

[Nova]

Courts are given wide discretion when it comes to accepting or rejecting Alford pleas. Some judges have their own policies regarding Alford pleas. For example, some judges will not accept an Alford plea unless there is some evidence that the defendant has no recollection of what happened, for example the defendant was too intoxicated to remember what happened.


Make no mistake, an Alford plea is a guilty plea for all intents and purposes. Alford pleas can often carry with them unintended consequences.

Really there are few practical positive consequences to entering into an Alford plea rather than a normal guilty plea.

Can I Plead No Contest in Idaho? What Is an Alford Plea?

Sometimes defendants want to plead guilty and take advantage of an offer by the prosecution, even though they honestly feel that they are not guilty. This usually happens in cases where the prosecution offers a particularly favorable plea settlement, and the defendant believes there is a strong...

www.atkinsonlawoffices.com

Alford pleas are attractive in cases like those of the West Memphis 3, where Alford pleas get innocent persons out of prison (and in one case, off death row). Without the Alford resort, the WM3 would still be in custody, waiting for their appeals to wind through the court system. And Damien Echols might have been executed by now...

 

[maconrich]

Thanks for the Dateline updates. But no to so many things.

The purchase of a K-bar knife, his family and maybe the id's seem new. The rest has been tossed around on reddit, youtube and / or NewsNation for a while now. Some for a long while. All with anon sources or from someone close to someone who knows someone. So just no. Not until / unless factual info is released by legit sources, which at this point seems to mean not until trial. IMO

If legit sources are running their mouths to the media, they need to find new professions: ones that don't require following the law or professional standards. All MOO because I'm not using quotes and I'm not going to wade thru the garbage - wearing gloves or not, to find the assorted posts.

And as for Papa R being BK, that poster didn't even put MM and KG in the right room and seems like wrong places for Ethan and Xana too. The rooms the other two girls were in was also wrong, but I can give that one a pass since the killer might not have known that DM was on the second floor. And as many have noted here, @MassGuy also mentioned the sheath, and seems like he said it before PR did.

The gag order might be making it hard for media to come up with credible articles / programs, but IMO that shouldn't mean they can pull up crap from social media or where ever and pass it off as the truth. I might or might not try to watch the Dateline episode, but I'm leaning toward not, mainly because I can go to one of the aliens abducted my baby type sites and read /watch the same thing. IMO

MOO, IMO, etc

Edited because I almost always have to change a word or format, and this time is no different.

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks for the Dateline updates. But no to so many things.

The purchase of a K-bar knife, his family and maybe the id's seem new. The rest has been tossed around on reddit, youtube and / or NewsNation for a while now. Some for a long while. All with anon sources or from someone close to someone who knows someone. So just no. Not until / unless factual info is released by legit sources, which at this point seems to mean not until trial. IMO

If legit sources are running their mouths to the media, they need to find new professions: ones that don't require following the law or professional standards. All MOO because I'm not using quotes and I'm not going to wade thru the garbage - wearing gloves or not, to find the assorted posts.

And as for Papa R being BK, that poster didn't even put MM and KG in the right room and seems like wrong places for Ethan and Xana too. The rooms the other two girls were in was also wrong, but I can give that one a pass since the killer might not have known that DM was on the second floor. And as many have noted here, @MassGuy also mentioned the sheath, and seems like he said it before PR did.

The gag order might be making it hard for media to come up with credible articles / programs, but IMO that shouldn't mean they can pull up crap from social media or where ever and pass it off as the truth. I might or might not try to watch the Dateline episode, but I'm leaning toward not, mainly because I can go to one of the aliens abducted my baby type sites and read /watch the same thing. IMO

MOO, IMO, etc

Edited because I almost always have to change a word or format, and this time is no different.

The sheath was common sense. If you’re looking for a specific knife, the only reason you know what you’re looking for is because some moron left an identifying artifact behind. You can identify a bullet to a specific gun, but not a knife to stab wounds.

I wish I was the first to realize that, but I’m almost positive I was not.

The sheath alone buries him, but mark my words, this case will be an absolute slam dunk when the dna in his car comes in.

 

[maconrich]

The sheath was common sense. If you’re looking for a specific knife, the only reason you know what you’re looking for is because some moron left an identifying artifact behind. You can identify a bullet to a specific gun, but not a knife to stab wounds.

I wish I was the first to realize that, but I’m almost positive I was not.

The sheath alone buries him, but mark my words, this case will be an absolute slam dunk when the dna in his car comes in.

But it's possible that at least on here, you'll forever be the man who first mentioned the sheath (said with respect).

 

[MassGuy]

If someone can search back to the first person who suggested that he left the sheath behind, please post it with their username. It was genius, and they deserve all the credit in the world for their line of thinking.

 

[MassGuy]

But it's possible that at least on here, you'll forever be the man who first mentioned the sheath (said with respect).

Lol. I’m always willing to take credit for things I never said, or did (as long as the latter does not reflect badly on me).

 

[maconrich]

If someone can search back to the first person who suggested that he left the sheath behind, please post it with their username. It was genius, and they deserve all the credit in the world for their line of thinking.

Yes you do!

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

hmmm someone mentioned those upthread. Yup, solid logic there. In order to kill four people outright by yourself, you'd likely need a substantial weapon. If it's a knife, you'd think combat variety, of which K-Bar is the most well known. This person came armed, and came armed to kill.

www.websleuths.com

and you also said they might be able to find the DNA on it:

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow #4

Good post and I couldn't agree more!!!! The reason I began entertaining the idea of this type of potential suspect, is that we are almost a week out without an arrest or even a viable suspect. So, LE has to begin thinking outside the box at a possible stranger/opportunist/stalker situation...

www.websleuths.com

 

[MassGuy]

Yes you do!

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

hmmm someone mentioned those upthread. Yup, solid logic there. In order to kill four people outright by yourself, you'd likely need a substantial weapon. If it's a knife, you'd think combat variety, of which K-Bar is the most well known. This person came armed, and came armed to kill.

www.websleuths.com

and you also said they might be able to find the DNA on it:

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow #4

Good post and I couldn't agree more!!!! The reason I began entertaining the idea of this type of potential suspect, is that we are almost a week out without an arrest or even a viable suspect. So, LE has to begin thinking outside the box at a possible stranger/opportunist/stalker situation...

www.websleuths.com

Lol. I guess I’m smarter than I look. I’m still convinced I stole that from someone, but who the hell cares.

What matters is that the more cases you follow, the more you learn. For me, that’s why I do it.