4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[DizzyB]

Incident was in March 2022 though. Was the idea BK was in town?

I thought that was a weak connection to fill out a storyline. It did not appear that there was a single source that pointed to BK regarding the suitcase. Dateline just seemed to throw in that BK “could” have been in the area since he was not required to be on campus in PA on that date. Poppa Rodger seemed unsupported as well.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I understand because a lot of people forget or don't know how our judicial system is supposed to work. Many people are influenced by MSM or worse SM, both of which tend to side with the victim(s) and promote sensationalism rather than objective reporting of facts.

That doesn't mean I agree, but I understand how those influences affect rational thinking.

I see what you're saying, and by that definition of 'understand' I do get it. I just tend to use other words to express that (ones generally *advertiser censored* lol). But I do agree with you about how people react with an irrational, emotional response and project that onto the defense as being "bad". Maybe AT and team are the ones most at risk for the threats and violence?

In this case with, I think that Dateline only stirred that pot more. I think it's a travesty, but that is jmo.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Not to be obnoxious— but this is alleged, correct? Not yet proven, in other words? That is the part about Kbar coming from Amazon (my phone doesn’t let me bold anything)

I saw the Daily Mail had this headline which is a long way from fact but serves its purpose for clickbait.

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 718]

I don't remember reading that BK connected to 1122's wifi in the AA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659742918498975745

 

[Boxer]

I saw the Daily Mail had this headline which is a long way from fact but serves its purpose for clickbait.

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I saw the Daily Mail had this headline which is a long way from fact but serves its purpose for clickbait.

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

DM invades victims lives and just makes up stuff.

 

[Sundog]

This event happened on March 2, 2022. This is before BK would have started at WSU. I suppose BK might have been on a campus visit OR this could indicate the presence of some other stalker in the area but we have no information thus far to indicate he was or was not in the area at the time. It looks like Desales University has spring break from early March to March 11 so it is possible BK could have been in the area. Housing Calendar The house in question is on Queen Rd in the cul de sac and it backs up to 1122 King Rd's backyard. There is police bodycam video of this incident available on Youtube which TOS does not permit linking here. There was a shoe print on the front seat of the complainant's car and in the police bodycam video, it appears that an officer takes a photo of the shoe print. Would be interesting to know if the shoe print was the same as the shoe print around at 1122 King Rd including the same size. I wonder if the Moscow PD has made this comparison?

Dateline showed the Moscow police bodycam video of the incident and their interview with the young woman who reported the incident.

 

[10ofRods]

The Amazon tidbit is new’ish. In that Dateline seemed pretty confident that it was the source of the knife and sheath (they are sold together new) AND that BK brought it with him from PA to ID on his move.

I had originally speculated that Blue Ridge led investigators to a brick and mortar retailer where BK bought the knife. But if I take another look at the warrants and dates of return and timing of subsequent warrants…

It’s totally possible that LE got a hit on the Amazon warrant confirming that BK purchased a KaBar knife and sheath.

Interested in tracing the sheath (and the likely knife that came with it) all the way back to the creator KaBar who supplied dates, manufacturing info, and the distributors who got them -> to the specific distributor of said sheath batch BlueRidge -> to the Amazon retailers who received the KaBar identified batches from BlueRidge and sold it to BK.

Leaving no doubt as to its origins and the chain it followed to end up at the home on King St. Hence the sudden disappearance of warrants related to the purchase of the knife and sheath

MOO

I was thinking brick and mortar, too, then I realized that many Amazon stores are both online and brick and mortar. I just went and did a search and found several such stores offering Ka-Bar knives (and also having a regular store). One has been a brick and mortar store since 1955, and operates stores via Facebook, Amazon and eBay. Looks as if there are at least a dozen - maybe as many as 20 such stores selling Ka-Bar knives. Another has been in business offline since 1987.

There are also wholesalers selling directly from Amazon.

At any rate, the trail of the knife seems to have been well-explored by investigators. As usual, each case makes us think about cultural practices that we might never have envisioned. I can see how many people would think buying off Amazon means "less traceable" or even "untraceable." OTOH, obviously, no one buys from Amazon without using a credit card of some kind. So...traceable.

imo

 

[maconrich]

DBM

 

[Sundog]

March 2, 2022 - when DeSales University was on Spring Break.

And U of Idaho wasn't on Spring Break at the time. U of Idaho's spring break was March 14-19 in March of 2022.

 

[ilovewings]

Not to be obnoxious— but this is alleged, correct? Not yet proven, in other words? That is the part about Kbar coming from Amazon (my phone doesn’t let me bold anything)

You are certainly not obnoxious: I look at it this way- until the trial, what we are hearing is "alleged"-- though the part about BK buying the knife from Amazon I believe was stated as fact--

 

[Megnut]

But the crime scene doesn't suggest they left their room at all at the time of the attack, as far as I know. They were both killed IN Xana's room. Xana's room isn't like D's room, centrally positioned. It is up a step and around a corner and down the opposite end of the house from the other killings. He went out of his way to go there. It's not like he ran into them coming down the stairs or in the kitchen. They weren't found anywhere near there.

MOO

I think the obvious explanation is that BK entered the house while X was either on the lower level or in her bedroom. I think she went from her bedroom to the kitchen while BK was upstairs and noticed something off. A change from just minutes prior. I speculate an open slider or a pair of Vans.... so she told E someone was there. Meanwhile BK would have heard D and possibly X. He may have used X as a shield to control E... backing them both quietly into X's room. "I'm going to help you."

Unless M confided in someone who wasn't also murdered, we may never know whether or how many times BK had been in that house, rearranged items, etc.

A near invisible stalker.

I'll wager it started in his childhood home.

IMO he had full confidence in his stealth at 1122. He'd been practicing it for decades.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

Incident was in March 2022 though. Was the idea BK was in town?

March 2, 2022 - spring break at DeSales University.

 

[10ofRods]

Thanks for the link, I remember that, what the mayor supposedly said and LE or he later retracted it or walked it back. I still think, MOO, the murders may have been committed in such a way to look like a crime of passion, while I agree with your points about media dramatization. ETA: If BK asked that of his neighbor within days of the murders (looks like a crime of passion, don't you think, huh? - paraphrasing), I think he was testing the waters and trying to encourage that narrative, sorry if this wasn't clear in my earlier post. All JMO

I find your idea very interesting. Since when this story first broke, we were told that KG had recently (three weeks before) broken up with her boyfriend (and moved out of the house), leading people here and all over the internet to ponder whether KG's former boyfriend was the murderer. If Kohberger was stalking/hot prowling more than one residence where young women lived, or had gone to parties at 1122 King, he might have heard this and felt that it made 1122 King a better target.

The ID's of two other women found in his possession (aside from the ones in his glove box) make me think that, like GSK (Joe DeAngelo), he got off on the hot prowling. DeAngelo kept notes about neighborhoods and possible victims. DeAngelo also had a pattern of escalation from his late teens/early twenties onward. He started out in Visalia stealing items from people's houses (while being a policeman). Then he started his Peeping Tom routine, focusing on a quartet of high school girls, then narrowing down to one, whose home he breached in various ways before attempting to kidnap her and shooting (and killing) her father (the bullets were traced to him much later).

The house at 1122 King and its surrounding neighborhood would have had many overall advantages to a would-be murderer. Of course we do not know if murder was the only thing he had on his mind.

Speculation, obviously.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

March 2, 2022 - when DeSales University was on Spring Break.

Even if DeSales was on Spring Break, unless there's evidence BK traveled from PA to WA or ID on or around 3/2/22, I don't see what this incident has to do with BK or the murders.

I think Dateline was reaching A LOT last night. I'm usually a fan of Keith Morrison, but lots of weird knowledge drops with nothing else to say about it.

For example, trying to tie in incidents that happened before BK even moved to the area (even with the disclaimer that he wasn't living there).

The knife bought on Amazon slipped in as a one-liner, never to be referenced or even touched on again. This is actually a big deal. If they had concrete evidence of this, they'd have done a whole show on it. That's what they usually do. My guess is someone in LE speculated that's what they found based on Amazon warrants and Dateline ran with it, but didn't have enough info to make it a bigger thing.

Passing off theories that most of us had and posted about early on as new information turned me off, such as BK possibly being in the house before, maybe at a house party. That's not revolutionary considering half of SM posted that in January. In fact, even here on WS, many of us said the same thing.

Giving Coffindaffer such a prominent microphone so she can broadcast her theories based on what? "Kaylee and Maddie were targeted because they're beautiful, the kind of girl he couldn't have." Umm...? Never mind that no motive has been revealed nor do we know anything about any potential relationship with the victims, I guess her implication is that Xana just wasn't as beautiful? I don't know, I find her speculation to be more suitable to Ashleigh Banfield's show than Dateline.

The only real piece of information I found out was about his sister suspecting him.

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

I don't remember reading that BK connected to 1122's wifi in the AA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659742918498975745

Page 16, second paragraph from the last in the Affidavit. "One of these occasions on August 21, 2022 the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the King Road residence from approximately 10:34pm to 11:35pm."

 

[SpiderFalcon]

And as for Papa R being BK, that poster didn't even put MM and KG in the right room and seems like wrong places for Ethan and Xana too. The rooms the other two girls were in was also wrong, but I can give that one a pass since the killer might not have known that DM was on the second floor. And as many have noted here, @MassGuy also mentioned the sheath, and seems like he said it before PR did.

Looks like @Tealgrove said it first, IMO


Looks like @Tealgrove said it Nov 16, and Pappa Rodger said it Nov 30 IMO

 

[arielilane]

Dateline NBC's Keith Morrison discusses Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murder case

Keith Morrison spoke with KTVB ahead of Friday's Dateline special "The Killings on King Road" about NBC's reporting to uncover new information in the case.

www.ktvb.com

"We have sources in and around the investigation, and we have spoken to some of the leading authorities anywhere on some of the questions involved in this particular case," Morrison said.

"A lot of discussion about what may or may not have happened, and the FBI must have been involved, and so on, and so on," Morrison said. "We have found what really did happen, and that's an interesting story in itself."
The origins of the KA-Bar knife used in the killings:
"The question of how the KA-Bar knife came into his possession, and when he may have decided to go to the west coast to go to school - and whether or not that had some bearing on decisions about purchases of knives and so on," Morrison said. So how much planning may have been involved? We can't say for sure, but there are some interesting indicators."
Additionally, Dateline shared the story of a student who was in one of Kohberger's TA classes at Washington State University:

 

[arielilane]

LISTEN NOW: Bryan Kohberger, the suspect in the murder of four University of Idaho students late last year, has been indicted by a grand jury. Host of the new podcast KING ROAD KILLINGS
@KaynaWhitworth brings you a major update: https://abcaudio.com/podcasts/the-king-road-killings-an-idaho-murder-mystery/
https://twitter.com/abcaudio/status/1659014033520074752/photo/1

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659014033520074752

 

[arielilane]

Incredible work @Tealgrove, and not surprised.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

dbm

Dateline was exploring the possibility that BK could have been anywhere during the academic year when he was studying at DeSales, since it was all remote study at that time, according to Dateline.

But they based it on nothing which I think is irresponsible, IMO. Let's not forget there was a murdered animal in Moscow a few weeks before the killings, per early media reports. LE has said that is not related to this crime, again per early media reports (in the media thread). So my point is, there were bad actors in Moscow besides BK. There is no reason to believe he hopped on a plane (or drove) from PA to ID/WA so he could put some lady's panties in a cup holder in her car. That's just bizarre and Dateline should be embarrassed about making such a leap. I think they just wanted to show off that they had a new nugget of information here or there and they exaggerated it for all it's worth. This is why people distrust the media so much, IMO.

I'm surprised they didn't explore further. I mean, where was BK every day of 2015? Surely, there was a murder in ID sometime that year. How do we know he didn't do it?

MOO.