4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 72

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RBBM. The PCA says "As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor. All we know is she was laying on the floor. It doesn't say if she was in her room, in the hall, in the door of the bedroom or in the door of the bathroom. Just that as he was approaching the room, he could see her on the floor SOMEWHERE.

Maybe she was in her room, but that isn't what the PCA says.
The PCA goes on to say this:

Also in the room was a male, later identified as Ethan Chapin, hereafter, “Chapin”. Chapin was also deceased with wounds later determined (Autopsy Report provided by Spokane County Medical Examiner [name redacted] dated December 15, 2022) to be caused by “sharp-force injuries.

I read it as two bodies in one room
 
  • #242
It's always concerned me that EC's final autopsy report was Dec 15 when the others were in Nov. Any thoughts or corrections to my concerns? tia
 
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It's always concerned me that EC's final autopsy report was Dec 15 when the others were in Nov. Any thoughts or corrections to my concerns? tia
I don't remember reading that, do you remember where it was reported?
 
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It's always concerned me that EC's final autopsy report was Dec 15 when the others were in Nov. Any thoughts or corrections to my concerns? tia
I was thinking b/c his cause of death injury was more difficult to determine? Maybe he had multiple injuries? JMO
 
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This MSM news article says that the Spokane Medical Examiner completed the autopsies on all four of the murdered students dated November 17th.

I wonder if the reports were not finalized until December 15th by the ME, although the autopsies were completed in November.
 
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This MSM news article says that the Spokane Medical Examiner completed the autopsies on all four of the murdered students dated November 17th.

I wonder if the reports were not finalized until December 15th by the ME, although the autopsies were completed in November.
Or simply timing scheduling for the MEs autopsy team.
 
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The preliminary hearing was NOT added back to the cases of interest page.

I’m seeing this:

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From reading several MSM articles about the autopsies, it sounds like the Spokane ME performed the autopsies on the four victims on November 16th, over a nine hour period. The autopsies were completed then, except for the results of toxicology that were sent to the lab. So the November 16th autopsies that the ME performed were preliminary results, and that it would take four to six weeks for toxicology results, and then the final autopsy reports would be completed. So December 15th sounds about right for EC's final autopsy report complete with toxicology.
 
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Or simply timing scheduling for the MEs autopsy team.
According to the MSM, all autopsies of the four victims were performed on the same day, November 16th, in Spokane, over a nine hour period.

Edited for correction of date of autopsies - November 16th (not 17th as originally posted)
 
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I agree, it's too bad he didn't seek or get the help he needed somewhere, anywhere... before wiping out 4 promising lives.

He knew he wasn't right, but then almost added fuel to fire by studying murder knowing very well he was probably capable of it.
Maybe trying to understand/cure himself? Idk
 
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What gun?
Lost in translation I think. The poster is using google translate from Czech, I saw earlier up thread. II saw earlier that they meant knife. MOO
 
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From reading several MSM articles about the autopsies, it sounds like the Spokane ME performed the autopsies on the four victims on November 16th, over a nine hour period. The autopsies were completed then, except for the results of toxicology that were sent to the lab. So the November 16th autopsies that the ME performed were preliminary results, and that it would take four to six weeks for toxicology results, and then the final autopsy reports would be completed. So December 15th sounds about right for EC's final autopsy report complete with toxicology.
Likely all four victims' autopsy results (and tox) were back in December, maybe? IIrc, EC is the only victim with a date listed on the PCA, is that right? I think his injuries were just not as apparent from his position or something, so the officer couldn't write that he could see stab wounds. Jmo.
 
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Likely all four victims' autopsy results (and tox) were back in December? IIrc, EC is the only victim with a date listed on the PCA, is that right? I think his injuries were just not as apparent from his position or something, so the officer couldn't write that he could see stab wounds?
Good point, that makes sense that they would need to quote the final autopsy report in the PCA for EC, whereas for the other victims there would be a visual component at the scene of the crime regarding the injuries and hence no need to reference their autopsy reports.

Slight edits for clarification
 
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Likely all four victims' autopsy results (and tox) were back in December, maybe? IIrc, EC is the only victim with a date listed on the PCA, is that right? I think his injuries were just not as apparent from his position or something, so the officer couldn't write that he could see stab wounds. Jmo.
Yes, I think you are correct. The wording is confusing as the officer says X was ID'd by her driver's license and personal belongings. Then it describes EC being ID'd later with mention of the autopsy results. A bit hard to decifer.

Thanks!
 
  • #259
If E was murdered essentially in the doorway and K was in that room, possibly he had to jump over E to exit the room. Thud. Or maybe he had to jump over him INTO the room. Thud. Whimper. I'm here to help you.

Order is inexact but the elements are there.

A whimper because poor X just witnessed what happened to the love of her young life and knows she's next. Fought her hard, fought her fast and needed to get gone.

I do wonder about the footprint. Presumably it revealed direction and movement. But part of me wonders if he didn't sense the door and stepped back. Back toward the door. Listening outside D's door. Perhaps he even heard her slide the lock and ultimately that's what sprung him into action, racing to his Elantra and speeding away. He expected the 911.

He was every criminal by morning. Couldn't resist returning to the scene of the crime. I imagine he imagined a beehive of activity-- I'm not at all sorry if he was sorely disappointed.

I stand by my theory. I think he came there with the specific intention of dominating one victim. Exacting some kind of sick, misplaced justice. Found two women in one bed and was probably noticed -- so acted decisively. Brutally. Murphy may have been in distress, BK would have made plenty of footfalls, audible from the floor below.

He descends to the second floor where E and X are. He reacts with reckless fury.

D was mere inches away from being the fifth victim. She saw him but IMO he probably smelled her. Click. Saved by a door lock.

4 obvious victims but so, so many more than that.

JMO
 
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Lost in translation I think. The poster is using google translate from Czech, I saw earlier up thread. II saw earlier that they meant knife. MOO
Umm
This case is getting more and more complicated on every possible level.

Oh well
 
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