4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 72

[jepop]

DBM

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Quoting myself (I know, it's like nails on a blackboard for some of you) because I wanted to keep this together.

As you all know, the following is not a true statement: "The affidavit said that officers responded to reports of an unconscious person at the property at 4 p.m. the same day." as per the PCA.

So that got me to thinking since I've heard that some news sources are starting to use AI to create news articles. For starters, this is info about the guy that wrote the article in Dotta's post (linked here): Aleks joined Newsweek in 2023 from the Daily Express.

1) He's very new to Newsweek, and 2) he comes from a tabloid. (I wonder how long he'll last at Newsweek? JMO). You can find that info by clicking on his name (author of article).

So back to AI.... while I realize Dotta's posted link isn't from Newsweek's SM... the fact they use AI to write their SM content really makes me wonder if AI was used for this article, or if the new guy grabbed AI written content from their SM thinking it was already vetted and fact.

AI gives Newsweek more time for audience engagement
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“We were extremely impressed by the idea of using AI technology to help expand Newsweek’s reach and engagement on social platforms,” Adam recalls. “In addition, we also saw the opportunity to gain time back for our social media team to focus on other engagement initiatives.”

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This will not be good IMO if news articles will be written with AI and not a human. That is MHO on that matter.

I don't read Newsweek any more; it is becoming more like a tabloid. My opinion only.

 

[jepop]

If I remember correctly, before the affidavit the only people mentioning DM in a mean way were the ones cluelessly commenting on the photo and TikTok videos. But that was nothing, people can always misinterpret what exactly they see. (Take BK, who is considered attractive by many, for example). All meanness started with PCA.

I think mentioning her in PCA was a mistake. JMO. It opened the door to interpretations and misinterpretations and at this point, achieved nothing, except for putting her on the second floor.

I don't agree that the inclusion of some DM info in the PCA achieved nothing. MOO

It helped establish the inference that the driver of the parked elantra on Queen Street could have been in the house, her sighting of the stranger corroborated the timing of the elantra's departure at 4.20am ((SEe PCA pp 1-10 for details). Her sighting of the stranger provided a description of the stranger that could not exclude the suspect on physical grounds. The info re when she woke and what she heared helped in the establishment of the time line and supported other infernces about the timing of the crimes and when the suspect could have entered the house. (See PCA for details pp-1-10).

I think I get why you have the view that including info from DM in the PCA was a mistake. I don't use social media but have heard about negative speculation and seen some in mainstream press. MOO But again I don't agree.

As you note, people can always misinterpret exactly what they see. MOO. In the same way, people are free to intrepret the PCA. If people are extrapolating from the PCA and then interpretting to make negative judgements about the victim DM, then IMO that is their responsibility. The PCA isn't responsible for their views. MOO

Most importantly to me, the PCA is a sworn affadvit of probable cause. LE/investigators who constructed it should not and cannot be dictated to by any perceived potential of the public (sm, press) to misinterpret and extrapolate negatively. The PCA is for a Judge to decide on an arrest warrant based on probable cause and is not a political document. MOO

EBM: grammar

 

[Nova]

Yes,IMO there's a certain kind of legalistic or, IDK, official type of language and tone utilised in the PCA. Some parts, MOO, seem more open to various interpretations than others. I think it has been very carefully crafted. IMO it was written to secure probable cause but the style/language is careful in part I feel to ensure LE and the prosecution have themselves covered moving forward with new/expanded evidence. It's going to be a sad day when, if this goes to trial, the full details of the victims' deaths become known. MOO

I'm sure there was some strategy employed in the PCA. And I worked with corporate lawyers rather than district attorneys.

But my experience is that legal documents are assembled by "committees" and are not as precise as our poring over them might make them seem.

 

[Nova]

imo jmo there's also not a reason to exclude it, and one light footprint does not, imo, support the roommate's statement to any convincing degree. imo jmo.

Well, it proves she didn't dream the intruder. That's not nothing.

 

[jepop]

I'm sure there was some strategy employed in the PCA. And I worked with corporate lawyers rather than district attorneys.

But my experience is that legal documents are assembled by "committees" and are not as precise as our poring over them might make them seem.

Here,upthread not far, someone posted about PCAs and how they are constructed, in a generic/legal sense I think. Haven't had a chance to read and absorb that post yet. Your point about committees is interesting. Committee of involved and perhaps specialist LE, experienced in PCA writing (speculation only) perhaps? (and probably very familar with the investigation in an overall sense)? I'm not meant to be here right now, but will probably have to look this up now!

edited spelling

 

[Nova]

So he was completely done with WSU? If not arrested he still wasn't going back because he was fired as TA?

Then that is probably why his dad flew out to help him drive his car back home to Pennsylvania. No need to keep his car in Pullman if not going back to WSU.

I wonder what he was planning to do?

Except he left his computer behind. And he wasn't finally "fired" until after he was back in PA for the holiday.

Maybe he saw the handwriting on the wall, maybe he couldn't face telling his father yet so he left some expensive machines behind.

I don't think we really know.

 

[Nova]

Time of Arrival?

snipped for focus @gizmobtj
Good observation, re big city detectives arriving at crime scene promptly.

Seems occasionally Lt. Detective Friday on Dragnet would show up before the perp left. I think once Columbo arrived before the murder even happened. That's L.A. for ya.
[J/K. Wink]

I'm not arguing with anybody about response time.

But it was a Sunday afternoon in a small town. Maybe the MPD wasn't at full staffing level.

 

[Nova]

Opinion:

Several of us are on the same page. His nocturnal habits didn't start at age 28+, when he moved to Pullman (where he annoys the neighbors with being awake and very active at night; even going running in the middle of the night). He's nocturnal.

And I asked yesterday where people think he got his money for heroin. It's not cheap. His parents gave him an allowance? He has had **no known jobs,** ever - until TA'ing. Journalists digging for more info on BK every day, but no employment history (because he had none). So where does the money for the heroin come from?

IMO.

If someone can post his employment history, I'd be much obliged.

I have no experience with heroin, but apparently it has gotten cheaper (perhaps because the US military has withdrawn from Afghanistan, where the poppies are mostly grown) and easier to obtain than oxycodone or fentanyl.

Per numerous documentaries, heroin has become the cheap alternative to prescription drugs for those who are addicted.

 

[Zella]

I think writing by committee is pretty common in a lot of professional fields. Not necessarily a formal committee but just the idea that it's a joint effort to create a polished document. As the resident English major on a lot of jobs I've worked, I've often been roped into editing or writing documents and it's almost always involved working with other people. Right now at the library where I work, there are 3 of us writing a grant application together, and it mostly consists of one person doing the bulk of the writing and 2 other people chiming in with edits and their own revisions.

It wouldn't surprise me if the PCA was written largely by the officer it's credited to but that it also underwent tweaks and revisions and rewrites directly from coworkers or a supervisor.

I also think in general a lot of writing from LE is not good writing in the sense of what would consist of good writing outside the context of the documents they're generating. I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a PCA from any of the true crime cases I followed that seemed like good prose on its own merits, and I also suspect it's rarely as layered as people analyzing it afterward are surmising it is. Its intended purpose is fairly straightforward--they want a judge to sign off on the warrant--and that pretty much directs what's included and how it is phrased.

MOO

 

[jepop]

I'm not arguing with anybody about response time.

But it was a Sunday afternoon in a small town. Maybe the MPD wasn't at full staffing level.

PCA, p11. When Payne arrived at 4pm, LE were on the the scene, both Idaho State Police and Foresnsic specialists. The implication was they had been there for hours. MOO

Just general comment bouncing off.
All this began with report from NewsWekk that contained completely false information that MPD responded at 4pm (it is upthread and won't repost the offending and false statement again)MOO. MPD I believe stated in early days that responding officers arrived promptly after 911 call was made and it went from there. MOO but see MPD and MPD press conferences.

 

[jepop]

yep. common sense tells us how footprints work, and this doesn't make sense imo I have a few theories, but I was hoping others would have thought about it, too. All I've gotten so far are rote explanations multiple times, but pretty sure the guy couldn't fly, and pretty sure they'd have used better if they had it, so... if you think of anything, pls let me know.

BBM I see a lot of posts here about the solo print and what it might mean, mine included. From reading most of these I think that those posters have thought about what it means that only one print was included in the PCA and have come up with various speculations that make sense to at least some of them. My own ideas, which I'm not going to repeat here, have to be speculative because I don't know what evidence the prosecution/LE has on prints beyond what we know from PCA. But to me, my own idea make sense of the solo print mentioned MOO

BBM: Although other poster's speculations may seem "rote' to you, perhaps they don't to those who posted their views. And I haven't seen any posts that speculate any flying was involved. You hint you have your own theories. You could always post them here if you wanted to, IMO. Not saying you should,just noting that that's an option. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Hmmm
So, do you think that he would indulge in his criminal hobby living in family home with watchful parents?

Only my opinion - it was probably imaginary world that broke into reality. Meaning that for many years, he probably dreamed of something sadistic, but there were contacts "outside of his head", such as his family, and old friends from school, so he was distracted from total, overwhelming obsessiveness of it. I suspect that staying at home during COVID made things worse, socially. JMO - that this imaginary world had been in his head for quite a while, and while a person may have it, he started "living" it. Perhaps his project contributed some, but I personally think it was just immense loneliness he found himself in. I don't think now that he had committed any murders prior to his relocation to WA, and I am not sure losing TA position was a huge provocation. Rather, something intense was going in his head, and that ended up in him losing that position. And the same stuff one night broke into the reality. We really don't know how it happens, what barriers need to be down, maybe it is something dissociative. Learning more about it would help with prevention.
What would have happened at home? For one, he could not kill around the neighborhood, but the urge would still be there, I think. Maybe the amount of unsolved murders in some remote places of upstate NY would have increased.
(All this assuming he was the perpetrator, because, presumption of innocence).

 

[RonSwanson33]

There isn't any...

we don't know that yet IMO.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Banfield and Brian Entin.

He was fired over behavioral problems.
Some students say he gave off weird vibes and they got a creepy feeling from him.
He was a hard grader to the point where a professor had to get involved.
He was grading women differently, rude to women and had a sexist attitude towards women.

 

[RonSwanson33]

Okay, well, I'm outta ideas.

I will say, I think the dark clothing and shoes would be key pieces of evidence to look for while serving a search warrant, because imo, they laid out their case in the PCA that the man in black, who left the shoe print, is the killer. Jmo.

I'll make a bet he ditched those shoes along with the knife and other clothes on his roundabout trek back home after the murders. IMO.

 

[Charlot123]

Entirely possible that's where he honed his stealth. Late at night when everyone else was asleep. No reason for him to find home to be restrictive. IMO it's where he first learned to get inside his head. Guessing it was there where he first nurtured his creepy, revengeful fantasies.

JMO

I don’t think he had his “lair” at home and was killing around, if he ever did. If this time he crossed the state border to kill, maybe it is the same that he did before while living in PA. Upstate NY comes to mind because it is huge, but in general, could be MD, NJ. (But I am not sure he did it because he had people who lived with him and distracted him from own thoughts. JMO.)

 

[RonSwanson33]

Except he left his computer behind. And he wasn't finally "fired" until after he was back in PA for the holiday.

Maybe he saw the handwriting on the wall, maybe he couldn't face telling his father yet so he left some expensive machines behind.

I don't think we really know.

My evolving theory about BK's convo with dad: BK knows he's probably not coming back but there still is a slight possibility in his mind he's gotten away with it. Knows he needs to get rid of the car. Calls dad, says 'I need a better car for winter, this one is bad in the snow'. Dad says, 'I'll come out, help u drive home, and we'll get u an SUV you can drive back'.

BK fully intends on coming back, only to be fired-fired once he's back in PA. I can imagine he was stressed out. About a lot of things by the time of his arrest. Maybe it was a relief to finally get arrested and not have to deal with the school humiliation/every day life struggles/thinking the cops will arrest you at any moment. IMO.

 

[jepop]

Perhaps that specific latent shoe print was indicated in the PCA because it clearly belonged to the man dressed in black and a mask who DM described. In the search warrant items listed above, the diamond-patterned shoe is listed with other dark clothing and mask. The print supports the specific location, direction, and description of the man given by the eye-witness, so while there could have been other diamond-patterned show prints in the house, that particular one showed the likely killer was, in fact, the man DM saw walking towards the exit.

A sort of two birds in one stone scenario perhaps? Print shows both the diamond sole and helps in timing BK's exit and corroborating DM's sighting. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

I think his preoccupation with committing murder combined with his in-person behavior being "off" (which had been masked when getting his master's online) meant he never fit into the program at WSU.

As someone without insight into himself, he was not going to be able to remedy that lack of fit. I also think it was a mutual poor fit over and above his multitude of issues.

I wish something could have been done to stop him from acting out his fantasies on that November night.

All we can do now is hope he pays for his crimes. It's beyond tragic.

MOO

(BTW, there is incredible cultural difference between the coasts, and migration from E to W might be objectively difficult, for many. Which of course doesn’t condone being rude or misogynistic or trying to ascertain yourself instead of spreading the knowledge, what BK was expected to do).

Your experiences and knowledge of Ph.D. programs must be quite different from mine.

Bryan is and was 28 years old. He won't turn 29 until November of this year, so he had just turned 28 at the time of the crimes and was 27 when he moved to Pullman.

2022 University of Idaho murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I can get the financial details tomorrow, but yes, it seemed to be inexpensive. Also, and I’d like to get people’s opinion, but mine is, TA is not a prerequisite for a Ph.D., merely a way to support oneself if there is no other, such as, indeed, a good summer internship, for example.