4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 72

[Zella]

Or really prosaic reason - like changing the carrier for a cheaper option.

If that was the case, he could have just transferred the number.

I personally do find it a bit odd he changed the number. I know lots of people who move and keep their old number because it's such a pain. Offhand, I don't know anybody who changed their number when they moved for grad school. MOO

 

[TL4S]

Does anyone have any info on the new telephone number? Was it still a PA area code, was he removed from the family plan? Was it part of his way to establish residency, or to get a new phone via a deal offered only to new subscribers? Most people I know hate getting new numbers as it complicates your life-we have so many things established with our numbers, such as authentications for databases and paying bills, not to mention any contacts not knowing how to reach them.It’s not as if there is a forwarding service. Could this have been part of pushing out of the nest toward adulting? Or some weird part of BK’s mind about creating the perfect murder, where he was moving toward changing things like phone numbers, license plates, making him harder to find? I don’t know, it’s all interesting.

The number ended up being a Pullman, WA number, first opened in June 2022. Beyond that, I don't think we know many details about it. I agree, though, it's a pain to switch numbers, and at 28 years old, I wouldn't think he would want to mess with it for a temporary situation, such as school. I guess we have no real idea why he did it, though, at this point.

I'm not even sure I think he changed it with future murders in mind, but rather I would be concerned that the number switch might indicate troubles he was trying to leave behind.

 

[IDK]

It's very hard to think of what other cellular protein-containing liquid it could be. I can't think of any.

Further, I can't imagine that these tireless forensic investigators didn't immediately send a sample to the lab. IMO.

Does anyone remember what type of surface the shoe print was found on? I am remembering carpet, but could be totally wrong. According to the article below, amido black is most reliable on non porous surfaces, not so much on others:

“Amido black is very sensitive and works well on non-porous surfaces but its high background color (light to medium blue) compromises contrast on multi-colored porous surfaces.

Amido Black is a protein stain, and as such should not be considered as even a presumptive test for blood, let alone a confirmatory test. The protein may be present in other body fluids, in addition to blood. However, other actual presumptive tests may be successful after the application of amido black.”

Latent Blood Prints – Methods For Chemical Enhancement

This article reviews three popular methods for blood print enhancement: Amido Black, Leuco Crystal Violet (LCV) and Hungarian Red

www.crime-scene-investigator.net

Interested in other opinions about this.

 

[Charlot123]

I found it odd when the father told the officer, "My son is a student at WSU." As if a cop in the Great Lakes Midwest would automatically know the dad meant Washington State.

Pullman is by no means the only "WSU". There's Weber State U. in Utah, and an entire system of Wisconsin State Universities. Wayne State and Wright State are both near Indiana, the former in Detroit and the latter in Dayton.
Yet Mr. K assumed the officer would know he meant Washington State, even though it was almost 1,500 miles away and much farther than a number of other "WSUs".

I doubt this proves anything but Mr. K's lack of sophistication and knowledge of higher education. No wonder he was proud his son was in a Ph.D. program!

Oh, it is such a localism! In the beginning of the thread, I called the place WASU, being absolutely sure of the abbreviation, because all I heard from my friends was, “my child is at WASU (WAZU)”, or even, “my child is at Pullman”. It is never pronounced as WSU.
The same with UW, University of Washington. Everyone pronounces it as “You-Dup”, not “You-Double-U”.
The third major one, Western Washington University, is often referred to by the place, “Bellingham”.

 

[10ofRods]

I have no experience with heroin, but apparently it has gotten cheaper (perhaps because the US military has withdrawn from Afghanistan, where the poppies are mostly grown) and easier to obtain than oxycodone or fentanyl.

Per numerous documentaries, heroin has become the cheap alternative to prescription drugs for those who are addicted.

This is true and was likely becoming true even 10 years ago. But it's still not free and Bryan was just finishing high school, I think?

It would have been about $10 per gram from what I can tell using today's figures and trying to compensate for inflation. I have no idea how long a gram might last someone.

He was also playing video games like Elderscrolls that are $25 a pop (plus a subscription, I believe), and I would assume he'd played the prequels to the Oblivion segment that he mentions on TapATalk (he says that the world inside the Oblivion game, bleak and lonely, is like his world).

At any rate, he does have that pizza job at around this time (although we don't know how long he kept it).

IMO.

 

[Dotta]

The number ended up being a Pullman, WA number, first opened in June 2022. Beyond that, I don't think we know many details about it. I agree, though, it's a pain to switch numbers, and at 28 years old, I wouldn't think he would want to mess with it for a temporary situation, such as school. I guess we have no real idea why he did it, though, at this point.

I'm not even sure I think he changed it with future murders in mind, but rather I would be concerned that the number switch might indicate troubles he was trying to leave behind.

You really aroused my interest with this number issue haha

I see it as his
"Big, new beginning!"

New place, new hairdo, new phone, new number, new girls to meet.

"Something ends
Something begins"

Or, he might have run into debt with old carrier and they stopped his number.

But, I guess, it will remain mystery to us.

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I don't read Newsweek any more; it is becoming more like a tabloid. My opinion only.

That would make sense why they recently hired a guy from the DM that wrote the article Dotta posted that I was responding to. It appeared to be written with AI (which is not good IMO). MOO

 

[TL4S]

Does anyone remember what type of surface the shoe print was found on? I am remembering carpet, but could be totally wrong. According to the article below, amido black is most reliable on non porous surfaces, not so much on others:

“Amido black is very sensitive and works well on non-porous surfaces but its high background color (light to medium blue) compromises contrast on multi-colored porous surfaces.

Amido Black is a protein stain, and as such should not be considered as even a presumptive test for blood, let alone a confirmatory test. The protein may be present in other body fluids, in addition to blood. However, other actual presumptive tests may be successful after the application of amido black.”

Latent Blood Prints – Methods For Chemical Enhancement

This article reviews three popular methods for blood print enhancement: Amido Black, Leuco Crystal Violet (LCV) and Hungarian Red

www.crime-scene-investigator.net

Interested in other opinions about this.

Consider what other bodily fluids might be on his shoe and also NOT visible when dried (thus latent). We have all assumed it was blood, because of the nature of the crime, but in the act of fighting and dying, perhaps one of the victims' urinated, vomited, cried, etc., which ended up getting on his shoe. I'm just throwing out ideas. It was such violence on their bodies, I don't like talking about it, but it seems realistic to consider things other than blood. JMO.

 

[10ofRods]

RSBM

He also worked as a security officer at a school, I think maybe the same high school he went to as a student? There are articles about it because while he was working there, a student had a medical incident that another officer responded to, and he is named as being in the periphery of the incident.

IMO:

I thought we learned that was, at least initially, a volunteer position. The article about the woman's fainting incident doesn't mention his role (just that he was asked to go get the AED).

Life in his hands

It was late in the morning on Saturday, Dec. 1 when Pleasant Valley School District monitor Kathleen Piccolo felt that something was wrong. While patrolling the hallways of the high school, she was…

www.poconorecord.com

Well, not a big deal either way. Maybe he always had a part time job to supply spending money, even though we haven't heard much about those jobs. I'm probably making too big a deal out of the "had been working as a security guard" statement (implying he no longer was) in this one (which is also the article where his friend talks about how difficult he became late in high school):

Bryan Kohberger devoted his life to studying crime. Now, the tables have turned

Bryan Kohberger became a household name upon his 30 December arrest in Pennsylvania for the killings of four University of Idaho students. People from his past - though shocked - build a picture of a bullied loner who could be aggressive; fellow students from his time in Idaho describe a...

www.independent.co.uk

JMO.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

It may not jive with the PCA <modsnip> Xana’s sister in laws post [ reported on in this week] in the same place. IMO

Edit: also. IMO the info not in PCA is going to be surprising to some. And stop thinking about it as “the PCA is different” and instead “the PCA doesn’t mention that”

Read the PCA carefully. It was wordsmithed expertly. To leave strategic holes to fill in. Only providing the bare minimum. Again, MMo

Wordsmithed is not a term I would associate with that PCA, especially not "expertly." MOO I'm sure there's plenty of strategy in it, but wordsmithing?? No. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

DBM

 

[deugirtni]

LE is claiming it's relevant. You are right. That's why it's in the PCA. No other individual is named.

They want the Judge's permission to go look for those shoes (or receipts or anything else that ties BK to the shoes or to other aspects of the murders).

Judge said yes. I'm not second guessing the Judge.

IMO.

Does the judge giving permission for LE to search for shoes matching the sole patterned latent print found in the murder house mean the same as LE knows the print belonged to BK's shoes? Just curious.

 

[Megnut]

Sorry, I am way WAY behind, but... do suspects (and the public) get to know what is in a PCA prior to an arrest? I had thought the publication of the PCA only released after the fact?

To clarify, I was talking about LE broadcasting details ahead of an arrest. Might satisfy public hunger but runs the risk of alerting the perpetrator to evidence collected and LE strategy. Which is why IMO they hold back.

JMO

 

[deugirtni]

Isn't it amazing? I truly have never seen anything like this.

I do wonder if his PIP included getting psychological help. It's possible.

But it's more likely that it was designed to get rid of him - posing some simple tasks related to norming his grades (to ensure he wasn't biased; to ensure he was grading alongside his peers, etc - they probably put the onus on him to figure out how to do it properly under the community standards of WSU and that program).

He couldn't do it.

IMO.

Several years ago I used to engage in conversations with a professor in a very local university satellite campus. He would tell me about how surprised he was at the spelling and grammar inadequacies of what he was seeing in many of the students' writings, and he marked accordingly, taking such things into account... his point was that he was surprised that these basic skills had not already been ingrained into these uni students. It's quite possible that those same students may have said the exact same things about this professor, since it seemed that not a lot of importance was attached to these basic skills, ie 'he's a very difficult/picky marker', etc. It's possible also, imho, that BK, having come from a different uni in a different state, may have been used to different, perhaps even 'higher' standards, than those at Idaho Uni - perhaps not necessarily based on spelling and grammar, but whatever, and BK was just going on what he had been accustomed to from his previous schools? It's also possible to have a coworker/boss/whatever that one rubs the wrong way, ie personality conflict. Is it possible that type of thing might be considered until we know facts? imo.

 

[Zella]

It's possible also, imho, that BK, having come from a different uni in a different state, may have been used to different, perhaps even 'higher' standards, than those at Idaho Uni

Just an FYI but he wasn't grading Idaho students. He was grading at WSU.

 

[Sundog]

Several years ago I used to engage in conversations with a professor in a very local university satellite campus. He would tell me about how surprised he was at the spelling and grammar inadequacies of what he was seeing in many of the students' writings, and he marked accordingly, taking such things into account... his point was that he was surprised that these basic skills had not already been ingrained into these uni students. It's quite possible that those same students may have said the exact same things about this professor, since it seemed that not a lot of importance was attached to these basic skills, ie 'he's a very difficult/picky marker', etc. It's possible also, imho, that BK, having come from a different uni in a different state, may have been used to different, perhaps even 'higher' standards, than those at Idaho Uni - perhaps not necessarily based on spelling and grammar, but whatever, and BK was just going on what he had been accustomed to from his previous schools? It's also possible to have a coworker/boss/whatever that one rubs the wrong way, ie personality conflict. Is it possible that type of thing might be considered until we know facts? imo.

Some of the students said that BK graded them on knowledge that they would not have had as undergraduate students who had not completed a graduate program in criminology, like BK did with a master's degree in the field. So I think the complaints about BK's grading were about content/discipline knowledge, which goes beyond basic writing skills. It sounds like BK assumed that students should already have the background education in the field that they were only now studying as undergraduates.

 

[Dotta]

Some of the students said that BK graded them on knowledge that they would not have had as undergraduate students who had not completed a graduate program in criminology, like BK did with a master's degree in the field. So I think the complaints about BK's grading were about content/discipline knowledge, which goes beyond basic writing skills. It sounds like BK assumed that students should already have the background education in the field that they were only now studying as undergraduates.

Now, this is really ridiculous!

At the beginning of the semester students should be given "grading criteria" - meaning:
- the scope/range of material for particular subjects
- what should be learnt for particular grade

How can the students be examined/graded for something they were not taught??

Sorry, but communication between students and teaching staff seemed to fail there.

So, BK thought they knew something when, in reality, they had no idea of it???

Not good, what a mess!

JMO

 

[Zella]

Now, this is really ridiculous!

At the beginning of the semester students should be given "grading criteria" - meaning:
- the scope/range of material from particular subjects
- what should be learnt for particular grade

How can the students be examined/graded for something they were not taught??

Sorry, but communication between students and teaching staff seemed to fail there.

So, BK thought they knew something when, in reality, they had no idea of it???

Not good, what a mess!

JMO

I suspect he was given a criteria from the beginning and he just ignored it. MOO

 

[DizzyB]

Some of the students said that BK graded them on knowledge that they would not have had as undergraduate students who had not completed a graduate program in criminology, like BK did with a master's degree in the field. So I think the complaints about BK's grading were about content/discipline knowledge, which goes beyond basic writing skills. It sounds like BK assumed that students should already have the background education in the field that they were only now studying as undergraduates.

I am reminded of something he stated in his essay application for a Pullman PD internship. Paraphrasing from the AA, he would be assisting rural agencies in how to better collect and analyze technological data. I may be nitpicking but it sounded to me as if he intended to teach them, not the other way around.

I am currently training someone who listens, and then does what they think best. And makes no apologies about it. Almost seems surprised when I point out errors in their work, does not seem the least bit affected. I think this might be a BK trait as well.

 

[Cool Cats]

Re: the prosecution handing over exculpatory evidence.

I would hope they would hand it over, and promptly. However, I wonder if LE found something exculpatory, are they required to hand it over to the prosecutor or can they file it under "current investigation" protection? If they do hand it over to the prosecutor, how quickly is he required to provide it to the defense and does he provide it openly or inserted in thousands of pages? Can the exculpatory evidence be filed under "work product" and non disclosable?

IMO The defense has to go searching for it.

JMO

I just watched a trial last fall and LE had to turn over everything they found in their investigation to the prosecution who then must turn everything over to the defense.

Can be grounds for mistrial if LE finds something in their investigation helpful to defense but then keeps it from them.

Defense can file a motion to get everything from LE. Here is a motion that was filed in the case I followed:

DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO TURN OVER AND ADVISE THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OF ALL INFORMATION ACQUIRED DURING THE COURSE OF INVESTIGATION