4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[acutename]

Yea, I would probably wet myself if that happened to me or have a heart attack. Scary.

don't people wind up dialing 911 about a break in and when they give the address, the operator says: "no, no, that's just the FBI conducting a no-knock raid on your house; sit tight... what's your name again? Oh, you're not the target, no worries."

 

[U.N. Known]

I don't think we know what he was wearing when the task forced entered the home. There were 50 agents and multiple doors and windows were broken for them to gain entry. I'm not surprised that he may have grabbed a flashlight when that happened. I've read about similar arrests and often the electricity is cut off so the criminals can't delete computer contents.

MSN

Pennsylvania State Police Major Christopher Paris said during an afternoon press conference that "force was used" to gain access to the Kohbergers' home during the early morning hours of Dec. 30 in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.

"There were multiple windows that were broken, I believe, to gain access, as well as multiple doors," Paris said during the press conference Tuesday afternoon, adding that Bryan Kohberger's parents were home at the time.

Paris said that preparations for the search warrants execution began on the evening of Dec. 29, and added that around 50 "tactical assets" were on scene.

It's amazing that more people aren't killed during these types of arrests. His poor parents. I can' t image the heart-pounding I"d go through if my house was breached at 1 am, especially if I was asleep.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Supposedly new news. But I think we heard this last week. Interview with his former boss in the video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631127086566981632

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

don't people wind up dialing 911 about a break in and when they give the address, the operator says: "no, no, that's just the FBI conducting a no-knock raid on your house; sit tight... what's your name again? Oh, you're not the target, no worries."

Doubt it. It happens too fast. MOO. They are lucky more people don't die. They do traumatize people for life, IMO.

 

[schooling]

People are shocked that the guy who was reportedly dumping trash in his neighbors yard at 4am has a flashlight on him?

IMO a video camera at the crime seen might have caught a flashlight. Or maybe the video they have of a person dumping trash in the neighbors yard has a flashlight.

 

[NCWatcher]

Most schools will give publicly available information to anyone. That involves answering the question "Did this person attend the school?" and "Did they graduate?"

Schools' records systems are obligated to respond to public requests for this information. You don't have to be a reporter. It applies to K-12 and to colleges and universities.

Where I teach (adults), students can opt out of FERPA altogether - and most do, because it makes it possible for them to get more scholarships.

Yes, certain kinds of information are allowed to be released under FERPA without consent. These include things that are considered "directory" information -- dates of attendance, honors, whether the person graduated, field of study, height/weight if on an athletic team... But in my experience, most administrations prefer to be more conservative when possible. I think the saying "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" might apply to their thinking.

Releasing information under subpoena is one thing, but various staff members speaking to the press is another. Neither released only "directory" information and while neither may have violated FERPA, they did violate the family's privacy IMO. One person who oversaw "student discipline and mental health" said she met with Kohberger in her official capacity. She did say FERPA prevented her from releasing details but she'd already said it was "official." Nevertheless, what she said doesn't seem conservative. Further a guidance counselor sharing he transitioned to studying completely online after his junior year doesn't seem conservative either.

It's not a huge deal but was surprising to me they said what they said. I've usually seen a single statement to the press released by the principal in these situations.
JMO

 

[Gemmie]

People are shocked that the guy who was reportedly dumping trash in his neighbors yard at 4am has a flashlight on him?

IMO a video camera at the crime seen might have caught a flashlight. Or maybe the video they have of a person dumping trash in the neighbors yard has a flashlight.

It's my belief (so JMO) that the night he was dumping trash in a neighbors trash can (likely using a flashlight) was not the same night he was taken into custody and had a flashlight on his person. It makes sense to have a flashlight if you're dumping trash in the middle of the night, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (to me) to have a flashlight on you when the cops beat down your door in the middle of the night on some random night when you're not hiding trash in your neighbors yard.

It sounds like (to me) that he was fully clothed and had a flashlight on his person in the middle of the night when they took him into custody. Seems odd.

 

[NCWatcher]

Doubt it. It happens too fast. MOO. They are lucky more people don't die. They do traumatize people for life, IMO.

I agree. I believe the use of "no-knock busts" arose during the "war on drugs" and there certainly have been some disasters and lives lost. And there's been plenty of discussion in earlier threads about people "freezing" in unexpectedly frightening situations. So if LE is breaking windows and battering down doors I'm not sure how many people reach for their cell phones to call 911, especially in the middle of the night.
JMO

 

[schooling]

It's my belief (so JMO) that the night he was dumping trash in a neighbors trash can (likely using a flashlight) was not the same night he was taken into custody and had a flashlight on his person. It makes sense to have a flashlight if you're dumping trash in the middle of the night, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (to me) to have a flashlight on you when the cops beat down your door in the middle of the night on some random night when you're not hiding trash in your neighbors yard.

It sounds like (to me) that he was fully clothed and had a flashlight on his person in the middle of the night when they took him into custody. Seems odd.

You’re applying “sense” to the actions of an alleged quadruple murderer (who I believe to be guilty). I wouldn’t attribute any sense to him.

MOO. YMMV

 

[Nova]

Also if he went in to try and locate K but never intended to harm M, E, or X... then he's already gone way over and beyond anything he had expected and hence didn't attempt to attack D.

I wonder, if he went in the third floor, if his intention was to target K only and if so, for what? Maybe as a sexual predator and he thought he'd do 'something' with her at knife point? Maybe he had no intention of actually killing anyone at all even!

Why would BK expect K to be at home on the upper floor? She hadn't lived in the house all semester, IIRC. And BK didn't live in the area before that term.

The idea that KG was the only intended target seems to be based on remarks her father made shortly after the murders. But there are other explanations as to why her wounds were more severe, if that was the basis for his remarks.

ETA It occurs to me the same reasoning applies to Murphy. BK had no reason to expect the dog would be present on the upper floor.

I am surprised the "upper floor entry" theory has so much traction here, as it is by far and away the most difficult way to get into the house. As has been discussed at length, sliders are notoriously easy to open, even when locked. The kitchen slilder was at ground level and required no climbing.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, certain kinds of information are allowed to be released under FERPA without consent. These include things that are considered "directory" information -- dates of attendance, honors, whether the person graduated, field of study, height/weight if on an athletic team... But in my experience, most administrations prefer to be more conservative when possible. I think the saying "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" might apply to their thinking.

Releasing information under subpoena is one thing, but various staff members speaking to the press is another. Neither released only "directory" information and while neither may have violated FERPA, they did violate the family's privacy IMO. One person who oversaw "student discipline and mental health" said she met with Kohberger in her official capacity. She did say FERPA prevented her from releasing details but she'd already said it was "official." Nevertheless, what she said doesn't seem conservative. Further a guidance counselor sharing he transitioned to studying completely online after his junior year doesn't seem conservative either.

It's not a huge deal but was surprising to me they said what they said. I've usually seen a single statement to the press released by the principal in these situations.
JMO

BBM. This is especially egregious if he turned out to be innocent, no matter how unlikely that may be. It may not have violated the letter of law, but I find it hard to believe it didn't violate the spirit of it. MOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

People are shocked that the guy who was reportedly dumping trash in his neighbors yard at 4am has a flashlight on him?

IMO a video camera at the crime seen might have caught a flashlight. Or maybe the video they have of a person dumping trash in the neighbors yard has a flashlight.

Flashlight was probably in his pocket, I carry one in my pocket when I'm out at night. Handy.

 

[whiterhino]

Flashlight was probably in his pocket, I carry one in my pocket when I'm out at night. Handy.

What's with the gloves though? The other items were on his person so why did he have 2 pairs of gloves on him as well? Wondering if the flashlight and gloves weren't used during BKs dumpster diving and perhaps he had them in his pockets? Just seems weird. JMO FWIW.

 

[Helechawagirl]

don't people wind up dialing 911 about a break in and when they give the address, the operator says: "no, no, that's just the FBI conducting a no-knock raid on your house; sit tight... what's your name again? Oh, you're not the target, no worries."

 

[Helechawagirl]

What's with the gloves though? The other items were on his person so why did he have 2 pairs of gloves on him as well? Wondering if the flashlight and gloves weren't used during BKs dumpster diving and perhaps he had them in his pockets? Just seems weird. JMO FWIW.

Flashlight may have been a uv flashlight that acts like luminol and will reveal bodily fluids; it will not show blood though unless you use a certain chemical so he may have thought he was erasing all traces…but I bet he didn’t know about chemical.

 

[Cool Cats]

What's with the gloves though? The other items were on his person so why did he have 2 pairs of gloves on him as well? Wondering if the flashlight and gloves weren't used during BKs dumpster diving and perhaps he had them in his pockets? Just seems weird. JMO FWIW.

If it is true that he wore gloves in a grocery store, plus with the trash, then he likely had the medical gloves in his pocket. It makes sense that keys and a wallet are not mentioned because it is the middle of the night and he was probably home for the night.

But someone who wears gloves in stores usually has some with them. Actually it seems totally normal that he would have something in his pockets. When LE does a "person" search they check pockets.

We know he was on a 3 hour time difference, 4:00am would be like 1:00am to him, and his neighbor living below him said he was up late into the night, and he was dumping trash late at night etc...

So having a flashlight in his pocket along with a couple pairs of gloves in the middle of the night sounds totally normal for him.

Idaho suspect stalked victims for WEEKS and wore GLOVES

The man accused of the horrific slayings of four University of Idaho students was allegedly stalking the students in the weeks leading up to the murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Nila Aella]

DBM

 

[schooling]

Flashlight was probably in his pocket, I carry one in my pocket when I'm out at night. Handy.

I keep one by my bedside. Nitecore TM9K. The brightest mode is blinding and will light up the last house on the street 100 yards away.

Occasionally it also ends up in my pocket and I sleep with it. And that makes very little sense to my wife.

 

[CSIDreamer]

At one point, a publication published (then took down - probably via court order) a alleged copy of the latent print. Or so they said, so take with a grain of salt. It was alleged to be the Van's footprint (it was in two major MSM outlets, but again, no link because not available). Still, I think it's likely the print (this was before the gag order) and if definitely showed wear patterns. So, IMO and without any link to show the print, I will say that IF that was the print they certainly do have good evidence about several aspects about the murderer's left foot.

Enough to show whether BK could have worn the shoe - for example, length of each toe seems visible. Height of arch etc. At any rate, such a footprint would definitely help identify the killer.

IMO.

Personally, I do not think he was wearing the flashlight or the gloves when they came into his room to arrest him. It's possible he wasn't asleep, of course, and it's possible he was getting ready to roam around in a place where he needed that flashlight, but it's unlikely. The clothes are probably what he dressed in when they told him to get dressed and they found nothing else of a physical nature in his room.

IMO.

The length of his toes were visible on a tennis shoe imprint? Uh.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm quite certain the bed and bedding was still there and visible in a photo made public. Let me see if I can find it.

I agree that people were speculating all sorts of reasons why both girls were in the same bed, some reasonable and some offensive, but AFAIK there was nothing conclusive.

My personal opinion is that K went into M's room for some reason relating to the calls they were trying to make to K's ex. Though it also makes sense to me that they were already together in the same room talking prior to those calls, and that had the murders not happened, K would have returned to her own room to sleep. Or at least intended to -- if they were intoxicated as speculated, she could easily have fallen alseep before she meant to, while still in M's room/bed.

MOO for now


ETA: found the photo. If you zoom in, you can see a bed with bedding, and what looks like stacked cardboard boxes, though I suppose that could actually be furniture. The bed is the key thing though.

Photo is cropped by me from this article: Idaho murders: Inside the off-campus house where 4 students were killed

Thanks for taking the time to find this.

I also still wonder if in fact M & K had not been in the same bed initially but someone forced K into the room with M -or- K had fled there in there in fear or run in the room because M yelled 'there's someone here'. People say oh they were so close they shared a single bed but really with leaving the dog in the other room? anything could have happened and played out that I'm not going to elaborate here as it's too demonic for words but might have been a forced situation and they were clung onto each other huddled on the bed in terror which all doesn't bear thinking about.