4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[PrairieWind]

Well, if that's the case, the prosecution needs to file a motion to have her removed. JMO

Have who removed?

 

[Nila Aella]

I felt that the footprint outside DM’s door was put in the PCA to establish that the person that she saw was indeed the person who made that footprint. There may have been other footprints from individuals that arrived that morning, first responders, LE. They have to connect the timing and the person that DM saw to the murders, especially because of the nature of the house and the many visitors. Who is to say that it wasn’t a friend, or a Door Dash guy? I know it sounds ridiculous but it’s foundation.
I assume the sneakers are the same size that BK wears, and there are photos or evidence that he owned Vans that could have made the footprint.

I totally agree about why the footprint was in the PCA. My response to the OP was about not finding a blood trail on the patio. I did go back and look at photos for carpet inside the house and did not find any photos or videos that show carpet inside. There are two doormats outside. MOO

AFAIK We have no information yet about the size of the print (if they determined a size), if the size matches BK, or if BK ever owned or bought a pair of Van's type shoes. Shoes were not listed on the search warrant receipt of his apartment. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

First repsonders and LE wear heavy boots so I don't believe the footprint would come from them and given the nature of testing, it would have likely been after the murders but it could be suggested that the person the roommates called could have been resposible for it but I would hope LE checked that person's footwear and clothing immediately.

Agree. First repsonders and LE do wear heavy boots but when the State Police Forensics Team came in they wore protective coverings over their boots.

State police investigate the house where four University of Idaho students were found killed last month. Moscow, Idaho, police have reported an increase in 911 calls since the killings. CITY OF MOSCOW POLICE DEPARTMENT VIA FACEBOOK

Idaho student reports strange footprints less than a mile from murder scene

"We understand there is a sense of fear within our community," the Moscow Police Department said.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Deleted member 718]

"Getting Out" is a web based means of depositing money into an inmate's account so they can have phone calls, etc. I clicked around the site putting in Idaho, then Latah County. If I chose to deposit funds (using guest access instead of logging in), it asked for the inmates name. From there I was able to select inmate BK. Here are the things I could purchase if I was so inclined.

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[Cool Cats]

"Getting Out" is a web based means of depositing money into an inmate's account so they can have phone calls, etc. I clicked around the site putting in Idaho, then Latah County. If I chose to deposit funds (using guest access instead of logging in), it asked for the inmates name. From there I was able to select inmate BK. Here are the things I could purchase if I was so inclined.

What Services Are Available At​

Latah County Jail​

Call Rates and Related Fees *​

Prepaid calls within Idaho	$0.21 per minute
Collect calls within Idaho	$0.21 per minute
Prepaid calls between two states	$0.21 per minute
Collect calls between two states	$0.21 per minute
International calls	$0.25 per minute
Voice messages	$1.25 per message
Quick Connect	$3 fee plus applicable per minute rate
Automated prepaid deposits	$3.00
Live person-assisted prepaid deposits	$5.95

Available services:​

• Phone & Voicemail
• Video Visit from Home
• Visit Now on Demand
• TabletsYour inmate has access to tablets. Make a deposit to their account so they have more ways to be productive, and you have more ways to stay connected.

GettingOut

Welcome to the new and improved GettingOut. Making connections and rebuilding lives.

www.gettingout.com

Latah County | Jail Roster

jail.latah.id.us

 

[Sleuth2010]

This is an example of what the Loving Idaho4 families are upset about. Their loved ones will never be inclined to do anything, ever again. Prison & jail should be just that. The killer had no sense of conscience. No benefits. Period.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Have who removed?

If you look at what I was replying to, it was regarding some "sources" maintaining the prosecution wants AT removed due to an obvious no conflict issue.

 

[Cool Cats]

If you look at what I was replying to, it was regarding some "sources" maintaining the prosecution wants AT removed due to an obvious no conflict issue.

Anyone associated with the prosecutor's office is under a gag order so I would be leery of anonymous "sources."

 

[ktm44]

Attorneys cannot represent a client in court unless the client signs a representation agreement. In the PD's case, the standard agreement most likely recites that the office - not any individual attorney - represents the client; it expressly permits the lead attorney in the office to assign and reassign individual attorneys to represent the defendant. Law firms with multiple attorneys have similar terms in their standard representation agreement.

I believe CN (to whom I refer as CK to avoid confusion, because that is the name on her criminal case and also her daughter's name) simply misunderstood the nature of the representation agreement. Although it empowers the lead attorney to make assignment decisions, it is not a power of attorney. POAs have an entirely different purpose and I can't think of any reason why a public defender's office would want such a power. MOO

Thanks. I deal with estates and POA’s in Canada and had never heard of something handled as she seemed to feel it was.

 

[ktm44]

Agree. First repsonders and LE do wear heavy boots but when the State Police Forensics Team came in they wore protective coverings over their boots.

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State police investigate the house where four University of Idaho students were found killed last month. Moscow, Idaho, police have reported an increase in 911 calls since the killings. CITY OF MOSCOW POLICE DEPARTMENT VIA FACEBOOK

Idaho student reports strange footprints less than a mile from murder scene

"We understand there is a sense of fear within our community," the Moscow Police Department said.

www.newsweek.com

As they should. My comment responded to the specific suggestion that a first responder may have left the van’s sole pattern in front of the door.

 

[WingsOverTX]

That's true but it really does feel like the media will find another way to discredit her and I'm not sure why. She's available, qualified and BK had a legal right to representation.

The media are not "trying to discredit her." They are simply pursuing the answer(s) to a legitimate legal question.

Many legal issues require research & inquiry to be resolved. In this case, the rights of a mass murderer & victims are being vetted (quite properly IMO).

Even if it got no airtime, the COI question(s) would need resolution to ensure fairness to all parties.

JMHO

ETA: AT has an excellent reputation AFAIK & whatever decision is made re: COI, she will remain in good standing, as she should.

 

[Cool Cats]

As they should. My comment responded to the specific suggestion that a first responder may have left the van’s sole pattern in front of the door.

If the van print was left by LE then it wouldn't have been mentioned in the PCA. No significance if it is a LE print, which would only confuse the investigation. 2 Cents

 

[CSIDreamer]

Anyone associated with the prosecutor's office is under a gag order so I would be leery of anonymous "sources."

I am, too.

 

[al66pine]

BCK. Now? Later?

"Getting Out" is a web based means of depositing money into an inmate's account...

Snipped for focus. @gliving Thanks for info in your post & link.

I jumped to that site, hoping to use DoorDash to deliver an order from Mad Greek ("Mega Meat Calzone" or "Keira's Amazing Vegan"?) to 522 S Adams St. in Moscow." [Wink, J/K] Oops.

Seriously, it's good that ppl in jail, not yet convicted, have a means of connecting w their loved ones on the outside. I cannot imagine a person in jail without the $$$ to make contact.

After trial, I wonder (assuming conviction) if BCK will look back on his time in Latah County jail as the good old days.

 

[WingsOverTX]

BCK. Now? Later?

Snipped for focus. @gliving Thanks for info in your post & link.

I jumped to that site, hoping to use DoorDash to deliver an order from Mad Greek ("Mega Meat Calzone" or "Keira's Amazing Vegan"?) to 522 S Adams St. in Moscow." [Wink, J/K] Oops.

Seriously, it's good that ppl in jail, not yet convicted, have a means of connecting w their loved ones on the outside. I cannot imagine a person in jail without the $$$ to make contact.

After trial, I wonder (assuming conviction) if BCK will look back on his time in Latah County jail as the good old days.

RBBM
Honestly, I doubt BCK has ever had any "good old days." He seems to have been a lost soul from an early age. Too bad he didn't find it in time to prevent him from removing four amazing young people with promise & beautiful souls from the planet.

It's too, too late for any "good old days" for him & so should it be.

MOO

 

[jepop]

Why would they be not usable at trial? They still show a shoe size, even if they can't find the shoes. They nailed Richard Ramirez even though he'd ditched his shoes. Finding the exact shoes is nice, with blood still on them, for preference, but it's not the end of the world if they don't. If the prints match BK's shoe size, it's still evidence that puts him in the frame. If his feet were significantly bigger or smaller, it would STILL be important evidence, but of far more use to the defense.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We don't need the shoes. We don't need the knife. They're still going to nail this guy.

MOO

Believe me I truly appreciate the correction, thank you! I think it was you @iamshadow21 who posted the great vid about latent prints and uses of amido black in the previous thread? That was really educational and totally chilled me about shoe print forensics. It showed me how the science is done. MOO

It is good to know that relevant prints could still have an evidentiary use in trial even if the shoes are not found. I hadn't thought about how trails/collections of latent prints perhaps around each crime scene might be significant. I'm sure that the Vans print will not be out of sync with the suspect's shoe size. Just my personal view that LE would not mention the one print that they do in PCA if there was any realistic possibility of that. I just chose to trust LE's and forensic examiners' process of elimination. And your mention of the diffs between prints left immediately after the crime and any inadvertently left the next day (by roomates' friend) when the blood has coagulated and dried has further bolstered my undertanding and my faith in a competent LE/forensic process. MOO

Just on the Vans, I'm kinda hoping a pair might turn up out of the PA search warrant, but I also think the killer is more likely to have ditched those Vans along with everything else he wore that night. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Banfield might just want to keep the AT CoI story afloat. Her source may be incorrect

I'm curious about the sources for tonight's program.

BK is upbeat about his charges. Sources have told her what he's been saying.

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[Boxer]

I felt that the footprint outside DM’s door was put in the PCA to establish that the person that she saw was indeed the person who made that footprint. There may have been other footprints from individuals that arrived that morning, first responders, LE. They have to connect the timing and the person that DM saw to the murders, especially because of the nature of the house and the many visitors. Who is to say that it wasn’t a friend, or a Door Dash guy? I know it sounds ridiculous but it’s foundation.
I assume the sneakers are the same size that BK wears, and there are photos or evidence that he owned Vans that could have made the footprint.

A latent footprint was of a Vans sole. First responders are in uniform. Though I am sure the defense will try to say exactly what you are saying.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/178280.pdf

 

[CGray123]

But would being "entitled to know the outcome..." mean people from the prosecutor's office should have told CK "yeah, we wanted to get rid of her too." ? I'd say no. (And if they didn't tell her that, and the info came from her and is accurate, who could have told her?) I do understand she's upset but from what people have said, since she's been given another attorney by the PD office (albeit a private attorney) she's not really got a valid COI objection for herself. I don't know who blabbed to AB (assuming someone did) But I'm not sure info is being kept as close to the vest as maybe it as should be. Even if there wasn't a gag order, it seems prosecutors & staff need to be cautious about what they say to families. After all, they don't work for them..

Here are some speculations about what may have happened. CK's true complaint does not implicate any ethical standard. It is a cry of pain arising from a very natural sense of betrayal: the person CK expected to negotiate a deal to get her into rehab and miraculously keep her out of jail assigned someone else to do that in order to represent the alleged butcher of her daughter. Everybody gets that.

But the media, starved for factual news, seize on the pain and drama to grab some eyeballs and keep the case in the news. They manage to find some attorneys who know there is no real issue but give newsworthy quotes that suggest there is.

Encouraged, CK goes to the disciplinary counsel and learns that there is no issue. She talks to a private attorney who can offer only sympathy. The PD had a legal right to assign another attorney to her case, and the reason for that decision - the need to devote substantial time to BK's defense - doesn't matter under the rules. The conflict of interest issue - if any exists at all - belongs to BK and he isn't complaining. CK has no basis for a personal claim that her representation in the drug case has been compromised by the substitution of very competent outside counsel: AT made sure CK's interests were well protected, in complete satisfaction of her obligations as an attorney.

Frustrated, CK goes to the DA, who is faced with a hot potato of an issue. He represents the state, not the victims. He has no more standing than CK to ask the court to remove AT from representation of BK. But he must keep CK on side, so he agrees to do something. In an informal conversation with the judge (one hopes with AT present), he points to the public controversy that is undermining public confidence in the process, and asks the judge to consider it in the interest of justice and the integrity of the court process. The judge and AT agree to meet privately, and in that meeting AT - an officer of the court - makes representations that satisfy the judge there is no significant issue. The DA can go back to CK and say, "Look - I'm your hero. I have advocated on your behalf and done what I can do. The judge undertook to look into it and the matter is resolved. We can disagree with the decision, but it's been made. Time to move on." CK interprets the DA' statements through her lens, and AB interprets CK's description through her own lens, and you get the published story.

 

[Nova]

In theory, there are many ways that information can travel without it being a direct line from the prosecution team to the press. A janitor, secretary, file clerk, etc., in the prosecutors office could have overheard a discussion amongst that team and run to the press. Or a family friend could have been in the family member's home when a telephone conversation took place with the prosecutor's office. Or - and these are ONLY possibilities - a family member who wants her gone could have told the press, in an attempt to nudge her out the door. It's also possible that this source is full of - something.

(Emphasis added.) Exactly.

Moreover, the clearance of an alleged conflict of interest--even if technically covered by the judge's gag order--is hardly the sort of thing the gag order was meant to protect in order to insure a fair trial. I have no inside info, but I doubt anyone is losing any sleep over the leaking of details related to AT's alleged COI.