4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[Boxer]

potentially imo jmo or one of the knock-off brands. if you google, you'll see that there are sites showing how to tell real from fake, and another google will get you to the lawsuit against Walmart for selling knockoffs, so maybe with a full print, they'd be closer to certain. But unless they have the shoes (and based on what we know, they don't), it's an interesting but moot point most likely imo jmo

MOO this specific print is mentioned because it corroborates DM saying where she saw him. There may be, seems like there has to be other prints in other places.

 

[iamshadow21]

Or perhaps the shoe was well worn and only part of the diamond pattern was still intact.

If it is, and they DO find the shoes, that's gold, forensically. Individual wear patterns are just that - individual. Two people with the same size feet, the same brand and model of shoes, are going to wear them in completely unique ways, because everyone's gait, the way their feet roll out or in, the way they distribute their weight to their outer toes on one foot because they once broke their big toe and never lost the habit of favouring it... everyone's gait is different, and so everyone's wear pattern is different.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

"Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 MILES away from Moscow, over fears local jurors remain too appalled by massacre to try him fairly."

Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 miles away from Moscow

The trial of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger could be moved hundreds of miles away over fears that jurors will be so appalled by the massacre to try him fairly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Nila Aella]

Or perhaps the shoe was well worn and only part of the diamond pattern was still intact.

Or only part of the diamond pattern shoe sole had blood on it. JMO

 

[schooling]

"Gag order" is really a misnomer IMO. The order makes nothing secret. Nothing in the order prevents the press from reporting what is said by attorneys or witnesses in motions, affidavits, or hearings in this case, including the trial. Nothing prevents the parents, their friends, media people, or any third party pontificator, prognosticator, or pundit from commenting on the case.

Not to be pedantic but is it really a misnomer when 99% of the gag orders issued are done on individuals, who are directly involved in the case (defendant, lawyers, potential witnesses)? This is the most common type of gag order issued. The actual press is rarely affected and only done so in the most extreme cases.

MOO

 

[al66pine]

Change of Venue. Coeur d'Alene?

"Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 MILES away from Moscow, over fears local jurors remain too appalled by massacre to try him fairly."

Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 miles away from Moscow

The trial of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger could be moved hundreds of miles away over fears that jurors will be so appalled by the massacre to try him fairly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks @Dotta for update w link.
"Former Idaho Attorney General and Lt. Gov. David Leroy said it's possible the trial could be moved other Idaho towns..."
"Lewiston, which is 30 miles from Moscow, Coeur d'Alene, which is 85 miles away, and Boise - the furthest at 300 miles away - are all possible venues in Idaho."

Seems defense would fight tooth and nails a motion to transfer to Coeur d'Alene, as it was hometown for 3(?) victims, w surviving family living there.


Making note to self: email DailyMail to advise reporter and/or editor that the northernmost city identified on map in article is COEUR d'Alene, not COUER d'Alene.

Repeating the link @Dotta posted.

Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 miles away from Moscow

The trial of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger could be moved hundreds of miles away over fears that jurors will be so appalled by the massacre to try him fairly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[10ofRods]

I don't know if the jury will be sequestered. If there's an out of town jury imported from 300 or so miles away, I'd assume they'd be given hotel rooms regardless. Just how many local hotels are there?
JMO

I count 8 on maps.google, with 7 of them being major chains or similar (not counting guest houses or BnB's).

Gosh, it sure seems like the number of jurors who could live 300 miles from home for a week at a time, during trial (or the whole trial) would be small. Rules a lot of people out, IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

I count 8 on maps.google, with 7 of them being major chains or similar (not counting guest houses or BnB's).

Gosh, it sure seems like the number of jurors who could live 300 miles from home for a week at a time, during trial (or the whole trial) would be small. Rules a lot of people out, IMO.

I think it more likely that the whole trial would be moved if it was 300 miles away, rather than jurors coming that far. I have never heard of jurors being chosen from 300 miles away. Not practical it seems like.

I have seen jurors chosen from surrounding Counties who then drive in but definitely not 300 miles away.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Thanks for pointing that out.

Absolutely ridiculous. Typical criminal court overreach that attempts to protect constitutional rights of the defendant (and victims) to the total exclusion of others (including the public) deserving of more weighty consideration.

This judge is either inexperienced in trials of great public interest or acting out of misguided fear.

Looking forward to adjudication of this gag order overreach, regardless of what the appeals court decides. It needs to be litigated.

JMO

In terms of pre-trial publicity, I think the Constitutional rights of the accused (and the rights of the victims for justice) outweigh any thirst for knowledge on the part of the public. During the trial, I think it's a bit of a different story as the jury can be sequestered. I think the latter is a much, much stronger case. The former, not so much.

MOO.

 

[Dotta]

Making note to self: email DailyMail to advise reporter and/or editor that the northernmost city identified on map in article is COEUR d'Alene, not COUER d'Alene

Hahaha
I think the residents of COEUR d'Alene will welcome the trial with open HEART!

It is such a beautiful name for the city

JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

My experience is limited to cases in which the judge, prosecutor, defense, defendant and witnesses had to go to the new venue, where the jury was selected and the case was tried. And I must say, changes of venue are rarely granted in part because of the inconvenience imposed on all those participants.

Moving a trial brought up some questions for me, and I would appreciate learning from our attorneys on these issues. Do many jurisdictions even have a "spare" courtroom to loan out? I would think loaning out a courtroom so your courthouse can be besieged by all the press and looky-loos would be pretty miserable for the jurisdiction being asked to host the trial. Does the "borrowing" jurisdiction have to pay the other jurisdiction for the resources being used? That only seems fair, and I guess would make the trial even more expensive.

I recall a few high profile cases where they imported jurors rather than moving the trial. Of course, then you're talking about inconveniencing at least several dozen potential jurors, and then the selected jurors for however long the trial lasts. I know some trials use questionnaires to try and eliminate potential jurors who are more than casually aware of the case being tried. I'm not sure how well that works out, as I've always wondered if they just end up with a pool of potential jurors less capable of taking in the facts and understanding the science.

Thank you in advance!

 

[maskedwoman]

I think it more likely that the whole trial would be moved if it was 300 miles away, rather than jurors coming that far. I have never heard of jurors being chosen from 300 miles away. Not practical it seems like.

I have seen jurors chosen from surrounding Counties who then drive in but definitely not 300 miles away.

I live in Middle Tennessee and I can recall a jury being brought in from Chattanooga to Nashville, but that's only around 130 miles.

 

[Cool Cats]

I live in Middle Tennessee and I can recall a jury being brought in from Chattanooga to Nashville, but that's only around 130 miles.

Did they get paid hotel rooms for the week?

That is too far for a 4 hour daily round trip. If they drove home on weekends did they get their gas paid?

 

[Dotta]

I live in Middle Tennessee and I can recall a jury being brought in from Chattanooga to Nashville, but that's only around 130 miles.

300 miles is nearly 500 km -
(and 850 km, more or less, is distance from south to north in my country).
Wow!

 

[Boxer]

"Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 MILES away from Moscow, over fears local jurors remain too appalled by massacre to try him fairly."

Bryan Kohberger's trial could be moved 300 miles away from Moscow

The trial of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger could be moved hundreds of miles away over fears that jurors will be so appalled by the massacre to try him fairly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Seems reasonable. Also the infrastructure of Moscow seems to small for the public interest and court business.

 

[Boxer]

300 miles is nearly 500 km -
(and 850 km, more or less, is distance from south to north in my country).
Wow!

Boise is about 300 miles away.

 

[Sundog]

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Moving a trial brought up some questions for me, and I would appreciate learning from our attorneys on these issues. Do many jurisdictions even have a "spare" courtroom to loan out? I would think loaning out a courtroom so your courthouse can be besieged by all the press and looky-loos would be pretty miserable for the jurisdiction being asked to host the trial. Does the "borrowing" jurisdiction have to pay the other jurisdiction for the resources being used? That only seems fair, and I guess would make the trial even more expensive.

I recall a few high profile cases where they imported jurors rather than moving the trial. Of course, then you're talking about inconveniencing at least several dozen potential jurors, and then the selected jurors for however long the trial lasts. I know some trials use questionnaires to try and eliminate potential jurors who are more than casually aware of the case being tried. I'm not sure how well that works out, as I've always wondered if they just end up with a pool of potential jurors less capable of taking in the facts and understanding the science.

Thank you in advance!

Not sure why potential jurors who are not familiar with the case would be less capable of taking in the facts and understanding the science. Seems to me they would possibly be more capable as they wouldn't necessarily be predisposed to some of the facts and/or the science. JMO.

 

[Dotta]

Boise is about 300 miles away.

Yes.
If it happened where I live, the trial might occur in another country or the Baltic Sea haha

 

[Sundog]

I live in Middle Tennessee and I can recall a jury being brought in from Chattanooga to Nashville, but that's only around 130 miles.

Did they all travel together by a private bus/van in the morning and return same way at night? If trial was from 9 am to 5 pm, they would have to leave by 7 am at the latest and be home by 7 pm at night.

 

[maskedwoman]

Did they get paid hotel rooms for the week?

That is too far for a 4 hour daily round trip. If they drove home on weekends did they get their gas paid?

Yes, I believe they were sequestered as well. I think they bussed them back and forth to Nashville but I could be mistaken.