4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[Nila Aella]

The search warrant for his office is extremely detailed. No surprise if some of his work related passwords and files etc.. were confiscated along with other digital evidence.

Investigators cannot determine how relevant the computer evidence is until they have a chance to analyze it. Thus, it is likely some of his digital work related materials were seized.

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Kohberger Office Warrant:​

The search warrant return for the office states No items seized. Page 17
MOO

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

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[Nila Aella]

I agree with this. As far as I know, there's been no evidence that he wasn't planning to come back. He wasn't fired yet, he still had his studies. I don't find it weird that he left his apartment as it was. I think he was definitely planning to come back.

JMO.

While I was reading about the office search warrant, I caught this statement in the search warrant article. I am not sure what "filings" they are referring to though. JMO

"Authorities previously revealed that Kohberger finished out the semester following the crime, and in the newly unveiled filings, investigators said they believed he planned to return to class again after the winter break."

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

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[Cool Cats]

The search warrant return for the office states No items seized. Page 17
MOO

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

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I don't see a office search warrant return, just the office search warrant.

If they seized nothing it would be because BK took his computer out of his office most likely, or used a laptop he didn't keep there.

 

[Nila Aella]

I don't see a office search warrant return, just the office search warrant.

If they seized nothing it would be because BK took his computer out of his office most likely, or used a laptop he didn't keep there.

The return is on the last page of the warrant.
MOO

 

[jepop]

The search warrant return for the office states No items seized. Page 17
MOO

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

www.foxnews.com

I can't find the the Search Warrant Return for the Office amongst the Search Warrant documents unsealed. I know Fox News reports on it and I understand nothing was taken from his office via news, but have you (or anyone) actually seen either the Office Return or the Office Search Warrent? @Cool Cats' attachments above show the Application for Warrant to search the office. Perhaps the office Warrant was subsidiary to the Residence Warrant but I don't think so as that is not explicitly made clear in the Residence Warrant. I could well be missing something! I do understand and remember reading reliable reports that office was searched so just really asking where the unsealed warrant actually is. .

ETA: All above is MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

I can't find the the Search Warrant Return for the Office amongst the Search Warrant documents unsealed. I know Fox News reports on it and I understand nothing was taken from his office via news, but have you (or anyone) actually seen either the Office Return or the Office Search Warrent? @Cool Cats' attachments above show the Application for Warrant to search the office. Perhaps the office Warrant was subsidiary to the Residence Warrant but I don't think so as that is not explicitly made clear in the Residence Warrant. I could well be missing something! I do understand and remember reading reliable reports that office was searched so just really asking where the unsealed warrant actually is. .

In the article I linked from fox, the unsealed search warrant for the office is in the article. The return is the last page of the unsealed search warrant.

Scroll down and you will see the search warrant for the Washington State University Office.

MOO

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Nila Aella]

That is just the Return of Service for the Residence and Storage Closet (at the Residence presumably). MOO

The top right of the last page says: Return of service of search warrant (office)

MOO

 

[jepop]

In the article I linked from fox, the unsealed search warrant for the office is in the article. The return is the last page of the unsealed search warrant.

Scroll down and you will see the search warrant for the Washington State University Office.

MOO

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

www.foxnews.com

Thank you so much ..but still trying to figure out. I see two cut documents in the Fox News article

1. Motion to unseal Warrant 12-29-22 A, which is the Residence Warrant as I understand it. (per original documents attached below).
2.Motion for Warrant 12-29-22 B (assuming Office?) to remain sealed but redacted version provided for public realease.

I don't see Return of Service for Warrant B, but perhaps it is still sealed?

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[Nila Aella]

Thank you so much ..but still trying to figure out. I see two cut documents in the Fox News article

1. Motion to unseal Warrant 12-29-22 A, which is the Residence Warrant as I understand it. (per original documents attached below).
2.Motion for Warrant 12-29-22 B (assuming Office?) to remain sealed but redacted version provided for public realease.

I don't see Return of Service for Warrant B, but perhaps it is still sealed?

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Maybe this will work for you? I see it here on the last page.
MOO

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/SW-No..-12-29-2022B-Search-Warrant-Documents-Made-Public-Jan-17-2023-copy.pdf.pdf

 

[jepop]

Maybe this will work for you? I see it here on the last page.
MOO

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/SW-No..-12-29-2022B-Search-Warrant-Documents-Made-Public-Jan-17-2023-copy.pdf.pdf

Thank you, I hadn't seen those documents before, that puts that to rest! I was looking at the Fox News Article, didn't or couldn't access the docs posted you here. All explained.

 

[NCWatcher]

Trials are a matter of public record though. No judge can change that. I guess I'm not understanding the significance of no video in the courtroom. We'll all still find out what happened and we'll also be able to read about it afterwards. JMO.

I think the OJ trial illustrates what can go wrong when trials are televised or videotaped for dissemination. Some suggest Judge Ito's behavior was especially affected.
JMO

 

[IDK]

Thanks for the timeline clarification.

To me, there is no "evidence" of planning to go back. Do we have any inventory of what he left behind that he couldn't easily replace? I doubt he even owned any furniture, etc., of great value.

Also, why would a person like BK remain in an environment where he would likely depend on the very people who have summarily rejected him. It seems to me that he had an avoidance pattern when called out for his behavior.

Wouldn't he have had a funding issue as well? I doubt they would be eager to have him as an RA.

It really doesn't matter which scenario one believes now, I guess. I just can't see him finding a way to continue in such a small doctoral program.

JMO

I don’t know if BK could have pulled this off ( if he hadn’t been arrested for quadruple homicide), but I can imagine that for a different student with a disastrous first semester it could maybe play out like this:

The student files an appeal and presents evidence that he had suffered some kind of mental health breakdown during his first semester due to the stress of school and personal factors. If he sought treatment for his issues over the break and submitted letters of support, perhaps the ruling could be reversed?

I agree that would be unlikely in BK’s case, but I can see how it could maybe work out for a different student?

 

[Nila Aella]

Thank you, I hadn't seen those documents before, that puts that to rest! I was looking at the Fox News Article, didn't or couldn't access the docs posted you here. All explained.

I noticed in the article that App users had a different link to the documents. Maybe that is why?
Here is the one for his apartment, which does mention they were also seeking to search the office page 30. JMO

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/FILE_5402.pdf

 

[Kemug]

My personal opinion is that BK didn't tell his parents that he had been sacked from his TA job. I think he would have left his parents' home in due course, in order to "return to Moscow". But wherever he went, he would have continued to communicate with his parents "from Moscow". Hoping that before too long he could honestly let them know that he had a position elsewhere. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[rsd1200]

Speaking of that footprint, I've been wondering for awhile if it was a partial print. "Van's style" makes me wonder how much they got of it. Musing. JMO

In the OJ Trial, the shoes that left behind the shoe prints were extremely specific yet, he was not convicted, as we know. “There were only 200 pairs of size 12 Bruno Magli Lorenzo boots imported into the U.S., and Bloomingdale’s was one of only about five retailers to carry it, so the odds were against [him],” Poser said." A photo of OJ wearing the shoes was discovered AFTER the trial. (The True Story Behind O.J. Simpson’s Infamous Shoes From the Trial)​

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Then we have VANS. A mass-produced, very popular brand, across the U.S. and with a variety of folks who enjoy wearing them.​

The Van's wording made me curious. One of my kids was fond of Vans, and skate-style shoes in general. Vans has a distinctive sole, is very grippy, made of rubber, and has a sole pattern that is typically one of diamonds and hexagons. All Vans shoes/styles/years do not have the same sole pattern (this could be a plus if BK is found to have a pair with a unique sole pattern, that matches the sole print left behind).​

Vans are very popular, or at least they have been, so it's possible that many of the victims' college friends wore VANS. In Oct 2020 Vans was the clear winner for the favourite sneaker brand for the whole of the USA. That's a lot of Vans. While VANS were not the most popular in Idaho and Pennsylvania, they were in Washington State. (The Most Popular Sneakers By State)​

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I'm curious if they mean the print was from a style of Vans, or if they were referring to a style of shoe in general, eg; skateboarding style of shoe.​

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I've not yet found where BK's shoe size or the size of the print at the scene has been mentioned.

 

[Megnut]

Thankfully investigations don't end upon arrests. Quite the contrary, investigations can take off post arrest. Because the public is engaged in a new way. Neighbors, family members, store clerks -- they can come forward and fill in all sorts of missing data dots!

Since the arrest, it's possible that LE has recovered the shoes. Or has confirmed he had some. Photographs. Clerk recall and reciept confirmation. Somebody who gave them to him, bought them for him, saw him wearing them could've come forward with credible information. Same for the weeks and months leading up to and following the crime. They've likely collected SM and email content from people who communicated with him before they knew what he'd done (been charged with). They know even more about his trip from Idaho to Pennsylvania, how it came about, what stops were had. I imagine the number of BK-specific tips that have poured in since his arrest to be a deluge.

The loss of these beautiful, irreplaceable lives will be felt forevermore, no justice can repair that.... but what there can be is justice for BK -- a fair trial, judgment by a jury, and ultimately the conviction of the person responsible for their brutal deaths serving a life sentence so that he can never take another life.

Jmo

 

[schooling]

I think the OJ trial illustrates what can go wrong when trials are televised or videotaped for dissemination. Some suggest Judge Ito's behavior was especially affected.
JMO

The Ito and cameras didn’t make OJ try on the glove in front of the jury nor did it put Mark Furman on the stand and make him a star witness. The prosecutors did.

OJ committed those crimes but the prosecutors blew it.

 

[NCWatcher]

The Ito and cameras didn’t make OJ try on the glove in front of the jury nor did it put Mark Furman on the stand and make him a star witness. The prosecutors did.

OJ committed those crimes but the prosecutors blew it.

Well, I wasn't speaking so much to all aspects that fed into the outcome. BUT one could argue that cameras distracted the prosecution in ways that led to mistakes. In fact, some people have argued that. (Remember the hoopla over Marcia Clark's decision to get a new hairdo mid-trial?) And Furman might not have had such a big effect because some of the other rulings might have been different without cameras. At any rate, may court-watchers do think the trial/trial participants were affected by the presence of cameras.

The change of venue from Santa Monica also had a big effect.

So cameras and venture changes-- both under discussion here for BK's case-- can have big effects. And many have argued that Ito's decision to allow cameras was one of the worst in judicial history. People here may disagree but that idea has been frequently expressed.

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JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I don’t know if BK could have pulled this off ( if he hadn’t been arrested for quadruple homicide), but I can imagine that for a different student with a disastrous first semester it could maybe play out like this:

The student files an appeal and presents evidence that he had suffered some kind of mental health breakdown during his first semester due to the stress of school and personal factors. If he sought treatment for his issues over the break and submitted letters of support, perhaps the ruling could be reversed?

I agree that would be unlikely in BK’s case, but I can see how it could maybe work out for a different student?

This actually isn't all that unusual (and sometimes abused). When students get expelled/dismissed/terminated from TA positions or grad school, they can usually appeal and part of the appeal process (unfortunately) in a lot of cases tends to be presenting evidence of some impairment or disability or illness that can be treated. I think this is valuable for students who legitimately have an illness, but unfortunately, it is misused/abused by others.

 

[rsd1200]

The shoeprint would be nice to match, but, there's also his cellphone, his vehicle, him being seen at the home by D., and the DNA profile he left behind. I don't think the shoeprint will damage their case if they cannot match it to belonging to BK. The info in the PCA is only what they have to release to get the warrant to arrest BK. With what we've been provided, I feel their case against him is strong and they have additional evidence to strengthen the case even further.

June 2022, BK completed his graduate studies. According to DeSales University Associate Vice President Carolyn Steigleman, BK holds a master’s and bachelor’s degree from the school. He completed undergraduate in 2020 and graduate studies in June 2022.


June 26, 2022 was a Sunday. IIRC, his father drove out with him and then flew back to Penn. for that trip.

August 21, 2022 ~ BK's first known drive past the student's home

August 22, 2022 ~According to the WSU Registrar site, classes started at Pullman on this date.

Between June 26 and Nov 13, 2022, his phone is tracked near the home 11 more times.

November 13, 2022. ~ The murders occurred. At around 4:20 a.m., the vehicle, determined to be a Hyundai Elantra, was seen on surveillance footage leaving the students' home "at a high rate of speed," according to the affidavit.

November 18, 2022 - The Elantra's plates have been changed to Washington from Pennsylvania

November 21, 2022 BK turns 28 years old.

BK's Dad flies to Pullman, and BK and his father leave Pullman in mid-December (guestimate of Dec. 11th or 12th)

Dec 15, 2022, at 10:41 a.m., the two were stopped by LE, for the first time near Hancock, Indiana, and a few minutes later, were stopped again. They would have approximately nine more hours of driving, to Effort PA. If they drove 12 hours per day, then that might place them leaving BK's Washington State apt., around December 12th.

Dec 16, 2022 approx 2:26 p.m. BK's Elantra is spotted in Albrightsville. He and his father got the white Elantra serviced. (This leads me to believe he was still thinking about driving back out, to start classes on Jan 9th, 2023).

December 27th, 2022; BK's father's DNA profile, obtained from the trash at their home, matched to BK's DNA that was left on the knife sheath, at the murder scene. The PCA states "identified a male as not being excluded as the biological father of the Suspect Profile," and that 99.9998% would be expected to be excluded as BK's father. So there's almost no dismissing that, BK's father is the same father of the person who left DNA at the murder scene (BK). ( Sources of DNA include blood, hair, semen, saliva, bone and tissue. A probability over 99% means there is relatively no chance any other man, other than the tested man is the father. There will never be a 100% stat though.) Because blood is pretty visible and was likely all over the sheath, I think BK's DNA was probably left by touch, and found by swabbing the snap.

December 30, 2022; BK was then arrested after being tracked for four days by the Penn. Field Office.

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Court documents reveal a detailed timeline of the University of Idaho killings suspect's whereabouts before and after the stabbings

Records obtained by police showed Kohberger's phone was near the victims' home at least a dozen times before the November killings, an affidavit said.

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Read the FULL affidavit on Bryan Kohberger's arrest

Idaho police have released a bombshell affidavit laying out their initial case against murder suspect Bryan Kohberger.

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Read the FULL affidavit on Bryan Kohberger's arrest

Idaho police have released a bombshell affidavit laying out their initial case against murder suspect Bryan Kohberger.

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