4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[Deleted member 718]

Are bears prevalent in the Poconos? When I lived in bear country we were advised to sort food scraps and freeze them until trash day. This was to deter nuisance bears from finding food sources near homes. Oddly, the bears were also attracted to bird feeders.

 

[Justice101]

Are bears prevalent in the Poconos? When I lived in bear country we were advised to sort food scraps and freeze them until trash day. This was to deter nuisance bears from finding food sources near homes. Oddly, the bears were also attracted to bird feeders.

Yes, black bears are in the Applachians, Blue Ridge and Pocono mountains.

People are generally pretty good about securing the lids to prevent bears from getting in but it does happen but only from time to time.

 

[NyxNY]

Apparently. Putting things in baggies will decompose them faster.

Hmm. And all this time I've put things in baggies to keep them fresh? Go figure...

 

[10ofRods]

This traffic stop?

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Yes - and you are right, he's not wearing gloves. (Gosh that's a difficult frame to inspect - poor Mr K's teeth!)

Here's what I mistook for a glove (but it's actually a trick of light). I thank you for freezing that frame (I seriously must have been distracted by the elder Kohberger in that frame).

So no gloves except when arrested, and as seen in the grocery store in PA. BK must have been somewhat panicked (his pupils look dilated) by having to hand his ID to a cop (DNA galore on that ID). Now that I watch the whole thing in slow motion, it looks as if BK's face is frozen into a kind of grimace for much of the stop, and also that he wishes his dad had not brought up mass murder.

This leads me to think that after these two traffic stops, he's certain LE is tailing him (which they are, although apparently not the two IN LEO's) and starts to take precautions at grocery stores and with trash (two common ways of getting touch DNA).

IMO and sorry for distracting the discussion with my discussion of gloves prior to arrival in PA. I'm thinking one of the main things he's putting into the baggies would be used gloves (which are not going to decompose any time soon). I am wracking my brain to think of what else (kleenex? napkins?) So he gloves up to sort trash, and puts his used gloves in baggies (and his used kleenex, paper towels, etc?)

I wonder what he was using on the daily to wipe his car door handles and steering wheel.

 

[maskedwoman]

BIBM

Some of his students noticed changes in his demeanor afterward, but then, other folks said he was chatty about their thoughts on the murders, others say he got quiet when the topic was broached. The neighbor across the street from his parents said he helped her move some things around the house, just a day or so prior to his arrest.

Different people gave different versions of BK. Seems everyone had in common though, the thought that he was a bit different/odd/backward but not a soul, that I can recall of, has said they thought he'd be a danger to society.

I think the biggest change came after he moved from home to WSU, based only on what limited information we have available to us. I've wondered if stressors came with so much change, that it drove him to drop his facade.

I've also wondered if he staked out WSU as a place to go to school, based in part, on the location. Rural LE departments are seen as having fewer resources, and funds at their disposal. Put his plan in motion far from Penn. and family. Otherwise, why not closer? Univ of Penn offers a PhD in Criminology as well. For anyone who has never lived alone, or far away from family, it might be difficult at first, but for BK it may have been very overwhelming, and a catalyst.

I understand and agree with much of what you say, but I think part of the problem is that people in general tend to rationalize behavior that doesn't fit in the "round hole". After a horrible event, people are often quoted as saying things like "he was quiet, and kept to himself, but we NEVER thought he would do something like _______."

If you asked people what behavioral hints would make someone think their neighbor/classmate/etc is a possible danger to society, I'm not sure what anyone would tell you. I don't know what I would tell you. Most of us lead busy lives and probably don't spend much time thinking about people we don't interact with very much. And, of course, we would be handicapped by not knowing this person very well.

It also seems like his behavior became more problematic once he left home. In addition to the confrontations he had with the professor he was TA for, the school had concerns about his inability to act in a professional manner, and a female student reported him for following her to her car. The only reason we know about that incident is because it took place on campus. This makes me wonder what he was up to off campus and whether the trial will include any witnesses who had upsetting or frightening encounters with him outside of the campus environment.

Just MOOooo

 

[Justice101]

In my opinion, BK was POI #1 because he was the owner of a white Elantra with no front plate, lived nearby, and could not be excluded from DM's description. LE Moscow stated they had applied for, I think 55 warrants. IMO, that must have included AT&T in order to get cell phone ping data.
When BK left WA, LE likely, IMO, did not yet have enough evidence for probable cause for search and arrest; they were still methodically building the evidence. But what they wanted MOST, was access to the car, because it is thought that the killer got in the car immediately, and sped away. The car would be the best chance of finding victim DNA, or other evidence linked to the victims. This may be why he was allegedly followed to PA. I imagine the car itself was under surveillance, too, while LE was making sure their evidence was comprehensive enough for judges in WA and PA to approve warrants and arrest. LE dismantled the car looking for evidence from the victim's, their home, possessions, Murphy hair, anything that could link that car to the crime beyond it's proximity during the time the crime was thought to have occurred. So, we wait.

Well stated!

I think LE did a great job with the management and timing of what they were doing with respect to BK.

They had him in their sights fairly early but did not jump the gun which allowed them to get the evidence from the car when he cleaned it in PA. The could not arrest him until the familial DNA of his father confirmed BK was the biological offspring.

 

[rsd1200]

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Hmm. And all this time I've put things in baggies to keep them fresh? Go figure...

"Greenbags" will keep food fresh.

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes, black bears are in the Applachians, Blue Ridge and Pocono mountains.

People are generally pretty good about securing the lids to prevent bears from getting in but it does happen but only from time to time.

I'm an Australian, so this is completely Not My Area, but are many bear species awake and raiding garbage bins in December/January in PA? I thought bears hibernated.

MOO

 

[rsd1200]

Based on their findings of his paternal dna.

It appears he did not get the internship.

At the time, Mr. Kohberger was finishing his master’s degree studies at DeSales University in Pennsylvania and preparing to start his first semester in a Ph.D. program in criminology in Washington. The emails indicate that he was among four candidates who had applied for the research assistant position at the police department.

It is unclear from the newly released records whether Mr. Kohberger was hired for the job, and the city of Pullman has declined to answer questions about whether he got the position. The job was set to begin on Aug. 22. The murders occurred on Nov. 13.

Idaho Murders: Suspect Had Job Interview With a Local Police Chief

Records show that Bryan Kohberger, now charged with murdering four University of Idaho students, had been interviewed for a position at the nearby Pullman Police Department.

www.nytimes.com

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[Justice101]

I'm an Australian, so this is completely Not My Area, but are many bear species awake and raiding garbage bins in December/January in PA? I thought bears hibernated.

MOO

They do hybernate but it has been an extremely mild winter in the eastern US. They do come out early (or hybernate late) when the weather is good for extended periods.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Since it has been reported that: ". . . Mancuso said, may indicate why investigators only recovered DNA from Kohberger's family members, and not him, after taking trash from outside the family home." I tend to believe he must have been attempting to hide his personal trash. Why else wouldn't it be included in the family's garbage collection?

New details emerge about Bryan Kohberger's behavior when police moved in

Kohberger, 28, has been charged in the slayings of four University of Idaho students.

www.newsweek.com

 

[rsd1200]

I think he drove back to Moscow the next morning where he had parked in the hope that he had dropped the sheath next to his car when he re-entered the car. he would have hoped that police did not spot that yet.. since it was behind the house and maybe not part of the crime scene. He went back to find the sheath in the back parking spot...OR... to see the excitement of the crime scene in action.

He probably freaked out seeing NO POLICE at the crime scene although it was almost noon the next day. He probably knew it would be a matter of minutes before the bodies would start to be discovered.

He probably realized early on that he'd lost the sheath. I'm leaning toward your second theory; Curiosity getting the better of him and him going over to see why his work had not hit the news yet.

 

[U.N. Known]

So you think that they could have gotten the search warrant for a no-knock, night time search of the parents' property based just on the family match? Do we have any source that says a PA judge would be inclined to do that? Seems to me that they really needed to show that BK was the only possible match for the sheath. Saying his dad was his dad and not having his personal DNA seems, to me, a real weakness in that kind of search warrant.

He's wearing gloves inside his car during the Indiana traffic stops, which is smart (so that he's not leaving appreciable DNA on the car door handle - or steering wheel). He's making it hard for LE to get his DNA, IOW.

But he made it easy for them when he dropped his DNA into a neighbors' trash can one evening in December. Now, even if he was segregating trash for several years and bagging it, he made it way easier for LE to get his DNA by so doing, as they could watch him do it - and the trash was nicely segregated from others' DNA.

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They did get the warrant based on the family match. Actually, though it's included on the PCA, LE asked that the judge issue the warrant without considering the DNA evidence. BK's official DNA capture was part of the arrest warrant (that's what the swabs were for). The only DNA they had of his prior to that was from the knife sheath. The DNA they collected from the trash is his father's.

As for the gloves, he was not wearing gloves during the traffic stops in Indiana.

 

[jepop]

Based on their findings of his paternal dna.
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It appears he did not get the internship.

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This is the PCA on it's own. If you read the applications for search warrrants as I posted previously, you'll see the supplemental disclosure as mentioned for the Idaho search warrant and the modified version of the PCA attached to the PA application for search warrant. Both linked in my previous post. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Personal opinion: I don't see how it's possible for BK not to follow the quadruple murder case - his classmates say they were discussing it in front of him, in class, and that he got quiet during those discussions. Same classmates say he usually tried to dominate discussion in seminars.

It's true he has a lot on his plate (loss of his TA-ship; financial difficulties in light of that, including a possible upcharge for tuition).

IMO. He and his father have obviously discussed the shooter at WSU (whom the father erroneously describes as a mass murderer and BK tries to correct him in Indiana traffic stop #1).

So weird to think of the two of them traveling "hours and hours, days" (as dad says) discussing true crime. I bet BK did a lot of discussing true crime (just like most of us). Maybe the subject of the Moscow murders never came up/was replaced by the sniper guy at WSU, which was more recent - must have been a relief for BK.

Once back in PA, BK would have had wifi and his laptop.

Note: he did leave a computer tower in Steptoe Village, as well as a Firestick. So he did not take all of his tech with him. I still believe he took sheets, cases and towels with him - probably saying he needed to launder them, because otherwise, surely Pullman PD would have taken those as well.

IMO.

 

[U.N. Known]

This raises a very interesting question for me. If the police step onto BK's neighbor's property and search their trash bins for what they observed BK put in there, is what they find admissible without a warrant? I guess the legal question is: would it be invading the neighbor's privacy if they already knew what they were looking for didn't belong to the neighbors? Certainly, they could (and possibly did) just get the neighbor's permission and ask them not to tell, but could they be sure the neighbor's aren't besties with the Kohberger's and might tip them off? Or maybe they just parked some poor, unfortunate probie agent on the street with orders to grab it the minute the bin hit the curb. I believe all we know at this point is that they retrieved whatever he put in their trash, but not exactly how they went about that.

Someone posted up thread that in PA, curb trash can be searched without a warrant. So, they didn't need to ask.

 

[jepop]

Based on their findings of his paternal dna.
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It appears he did not get the internship.

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Regarding the internship, the article you've attached refers to an assistantship BK applied for in April with the Pullman Police Department and is separate to the internship mentioned in the PCA, which was applied for in the fall of 2022, as per PCA. two different positions, two different applications. MOO

 

[maskedwoman]

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I looked again just now and found that students said he was normally quiet and became chattier after the murders, as well as grading them better. But, students also said he was "silent and deadpan" when the murders came up for discussion in class. He also mentioned the case to a neighbor. I put those links below.

I thought he also told police that he knew about the situation because it happened only 10 minutes away from him, but I couldn't find that quote when I googled.

Classmates: Normally Chatty Kohberger ‘Completely Silent’ on Idaho Student Murders

Ted S. Warren/Getty ImagesOrdinarily confident in the classroom, Bryan Kohberger seemed to have no problem sharing his opinion as he and his graduate school peers discussed the ins and outs of the criminal mind. No problem, that is, except when one particular grisly topic was brought up: the...

www.yahoo.com

Bryan Kohberger attended WSU class during Idaho slayings discussion: ‘Quiet and deadpan’

The Washington State University Ph.D. student charged in the Idaho slayings continued his studies after the murders — and was even present during a class discussion on the quadruple homicide,…

nypost.com

Neighbor of Bryan Kohberger says suspect talked about Idaho student murders

"'Yeah, seems like they have no leads. Seems like it was a crime of passion,'" the neighbor said Kohberger said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[rsd1200]

I'm an Australian, so this is completely Not My Area, but are many bear species awake and raiding garbage bins in December/January in PA? I thought bears hibernated.

MOO

I don't live in Penn. but in my region of Appalachia, they have short periods of dormancy/hibernation. I saw where they found a bear hibernating under someone's deck, in the Poconos and set up a bearcam to watch her. Black bears will come out of hibernation on warm days even in the winter, to seek out a snack. They've been spotted around us but normally don't come close.

 

[Nichevo]

Let me preface this by saying that I have no issues raiding garbage for evidence. But this webpage on a legal site raises some interesting points. (my initial search was to determine what LE actually considers the “curb”). MOO

Varner & Associates

Courts allow police to search your trash, but the police don’t like it if you search their trash.​