4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[Nila Aella]

I don't know how to link properly but this one https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Supreme/50482-2023/030223 Intervenor Kohberger Brief in Response to the Petition.pdf

I think that is just there way of saying we are the attorneys for BK. And we are here on his behalf.
I think his attorney/s should have a say in the gag order case because it directly affects his right to a fair trial. JMO

 

[WingsOverTX]

Just wanted to point out Co-cousel is JL not DL. Too late to edit.

MOO

Found it....Jay L. Thanks!

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Do we know what kind of shovel it is? I live in the Rocky Mountains and the shovel I keep in my car is specifically designed for the purpose of digging out - and compact so it stores in the small boot of my SUV.

I have a small garden spade about the same size.

One would not be useful to bury evidence. The other would. MOO.

I don't believe they've said yet.

 

[Nila Aella]

Could be all sorts of things including something that is very large or heavy or fixed -or- insanitary or likely to degrade maybe? I can't understand why it wouldn't say what the 'item' is tho?

I am thinking they must have a much more detailed list of everything for evidentiary purposes with titles of books and detailed descriptions of all the other items. This is the initial list with numbers and item, then when they start examining each one, the details and descriptions are listed? JMO

 

[bonniejeanne17]

For those who liked typed versions. Putting this here for reference.
From Daily Mail UK (link at bottom)
EVIDENCE FROM PA HOUSE:
Knife
Book with underlining on page 118
AT&T bill for Bryan C. Kohberger
Glock 22 Gen S. 40 Caliber serial #BMXVSQI
Smith & Wesson pocket knife
Folder containing vehicle paperwork
Acer laptop
Green leafy substance in green container
Documents
Green leafy substance in plastic bag
White paper with password
Power cable
Cell phone
Three Glock 40 caliber magazines (empty)
Books
Black face masks
Prescription
Black gloves
1 black hat 1 black mask
Personal identifying documents
New Balance shoes
Dark colored jacket
Dark jackets
Dark color shirts
Dark color pants
Clear plastic glove
Laptop with damage
Record of sale Glock 22. Gen s 40 Caliber
Item photographed but not taken
Note in desk
Criminal psychology book
Documents
XL Columbia Navy fleece
A man's hand drawing
10 (non legible) inside glove inside box
Various criminology books, notes, license, card
Dark color hats
Black gloves
Motherboard
Washington State University paperwork
Note from Bryan from Montana
Medical documents
Court documents
Note to Dad from Bryan
Colored spiral notebook
Dark colored clothes
HP all-in-one computer
Dark clothes in laundry basket
Taylor cutlery knife with leather sheath
Four buccal swabs
2 pair of dark colored boots
1 pair of brown boots
FROM THE WHITE HYUNDAI ELANTRA:
Swabs
Ziplock bag with pink zipper
Plastic baggie with green zipper
7 quarters
36 dimes
32 nickels
8 pennies
Gloves
Receipts
Car insurance card
Car registration
Hiking boots
Comfort Inn room key holder and stay information
Tire irons
Shovel
Goggles
Floor mats
Reflective vest
Used water bottles
Wrench
Door panel
Seats and seat cushions
Headrests
Seatbelt
Visor
Fiber
Brake pedal
Gas pedal
Phone charger
Band aid
Wrappers
Maps
Documents
Seat Belt
Boot
FROM PREVIOUSLY UNSEALED WARRANT; (Person)
One silver flashlight
Four medical style gloves
White Arizona jean co. large t-shirt
Champion WSU large black sweatshirt
Pair of black and white size 13 Nike shoes
Pair of black Under Armour socks
Under Armour black large shorts
Under Armour black boxers large
One buccal swab

Original handwritten & above typed version (copied from) available at Daily Mail UK link.

Knife, gun and ammunition seized from Bryan Kohberger's home

The full list of items seized by Pennsylvania police from Bryan Kohberger's parents' house was revealed on Thursday and includes a knife, gun, ammunition and a 'criminal psychology book'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks for the typed list.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I think the press has been remarkably restrained, given the nature of the crime. The most heightened, gruesome tabloid moment was the reporting of blood running out of the home down the outside of the foundation from Xana's room, and that actually happened .

MOO

I disagree. From the moment they identified BK, there's really been nothing at all restrained from the press, IMO. From the false reports that he exposed himself to the multiple stories of what a *bad* and creepy human being he's always been according to childhood friends to the alleged drug use to the alleged eating disorder to the supposed Mad Greek story to the unconfirmed report of stalking via social media to the hoopla around the COI of his attorney to publishing Reddit posts 2 months after they were made to target and further criticize a survivor/witness, there's nothing that points to media restraint to me. JMO. I think it's been an all-out tabloid frenzy.

MOO.

 

[NyxNY]

Could be all sorts of things including something that is very large or heavy or fixed -or- insanitary or likely to degrade maybe? I can't understand why it wouldn't say what the 'item' is tho?

Exactly! Very curious indeed.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Who gets to decide "truth?"

And therein lies the problem. JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

Do we know what kind of shovel it is? I live in the Rocky Mountains and the shovel I keep in my car is specifically designed for the purpose of digging out - and compact so it stores in the small boot of my SUV.

I have a small garden spade about the same size.

One would not be useful to bury evidence. The other would. MOO.

I haven't seen any mention of what type of shovel yet.
I have seen many different types of shovels for car emergency kits. I have a portable folding type, but others have the fixed garden type and some people use the military type survival shovel for their car kits. JMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

Regarding the book page 118. As has been noted here, considering his field of study it would be normal for him to have books on crime, criminology, etc, so for them to single this out must be significant IMO.
I don't have any of the books by BK's former teacher Katherine Ramsland, but perhaps one of you does. It's kind of a shot in the dark, especially since page content can vary with different editions, but I wonder if by any chance there would be something interesting on page 118, say, of her book about the confessions of the BTK killer.
Pure speculation, but could be interesting if page 118 happened to be something about BTK's "hidey holes" or some other trick of his.

If you go back a few pages, someone posted the page.

 

[PrairieWind]

I am thinking they must have a much more detailed list of everything for evidentiary purposes with titles of books and detailed descriptions of all the other items. This is the initial list with numbers and item, then when they start examining each one, the details and descriptions are listed? JMO

This is the return filed with the court by the FBI of what they took. Those items should have then been turned over to the prosecution in Idaho. If the Prosecutor does indeed consider these relevant and evidence, the DA will then have to provide the defense a detailed explanation of the items and provide access to them. If the items are not deemed relevant, they will be released back to BK's family. We will not likely be privy to any of that.

 

[jjleroche]

From the way it's written, I suspect it's a person.

MOO

One of the listed seized items - "Note from Bryan from Montana" (BBM) - I think that phrase differentiates between two people named "Bryan" - one being Bryan Kohberger, and the other being someone else, also named "Bryan" who is "from Montana".

 

[isabella88]

In the court document re the sealing of the documents it states that BK spoke for himself. Is this a sign of how he plans to act throughout or is it quite insignificant?

I look forward to finding out just how involved BK will be with his defense. It wouldn't surprise me if he becomes much more involved than the average defendant. That could really end up hurting him. JMO

 

[QB2022]

I look forward to finding out just how involved BK will be with his defense. It wouldn't surprise me if he becomes much more involved than the average defendant. That could really end up hurting him. JMO

Well he can't do a worse job of it than Alex Murdaugh just did. I do think he will want to take the stand though, he seems to think he is capable of out smarting the system

 

[I'm Nobody]

Anybody else wondering why there is no wallet listed in evidence lists? First I thought maybe it's a young people thing; my daughter told me abut 10 years ago to ditch my purse because it "dated" me. People don't use cash much, but to keep ID cards in a glove seems odd to me. So I went back to the IN police stop. It looks like BK takes something out of his back pants pocket when the cop asks for his driver's license. Fast forward to minute 1:45, cop moves his arm away from window, there it is -- BK's wallet in his lap. Hummmmmm?

OK, going to get my purse and run errands. jmo

 

[PrairieWind]

In the court document re the sealing of the documents it states that BK spoke for himself. Is this a sign of how he plans to act throughout or is it quite insignificant?

If you are referring to what I think you are, this is just the attorney's way of saying he is bringing the pleading on his behalf as apposed to the State's position. This is clearly drafted and signed by attorneys.

 

[Nila Aella]

Anybody else wondering why there is no wallet listed in evidence lists? First I thought maybe it's a young people thing; my daughter told me abut 10 years ago to ditch my purse because it "dated" me. People don't use cash much, but to keep ID cards in a glove seems odd to me. So I went back to the IN police stop. It looks like BK takes something out of his back pants pocket when the cop asks for his driver's license. Fast forward to minute 1:45, cop moves his arm away from window, there it is -- BK's wallet in his lap. Hummmmmm?

OK, going to get my purse and run errands. jmo

To me it looks like he reaches into his center console to pull out his id card holder (21 second mark). There is a thing called a card glove. Not a wallet but a slim container to hold cards. Atm ones are protected paper sleeves but they make leather card gloves too.

ATM Safety Tips Card Gloves

00050302000A

diebolddirect.com

 

[QB2022]

If you are referring to what I think you are, this is just the attorney's way of saying he is bringing the pleading on his behalf as apposed to the State's position. This is clearly drafted and signed by attorneys.

Thank you

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Anybody else wondering why there is no wallet listed in evidence lists? First I thought maybe it's a young people thing; my daughter told me abut 10 years ago to ditch my purse because it "dated" me. People don't use cash much, but to keep ID cards in a glove seems odd to me. So I went back to the IN police stop. It looks like BK takes something out of his back pants pocket when the cop asks for his driver's license. Fast forward to minute 1:45, cop moves his arm away from window, there it is -- BK's wallet in his lap. Hummmmmm?

OK, going to get my purse and run errands. jmo

Hard to say. It looks small and thin, maybe a pouch that some may call a purse / wallet and others may call a 'card glove' I suppose if it's the sort of thing that doesn't have anything other than cards in it, ie no cash, no keys or photos or bits n bobs that us old fashioned types stuff our purses with

 

[CGray123]

How many attorneys does BK have?

The media does not have to prove its rights, those rights are inherent in the legal presumption that public documents should be made public with few exceptions.

This is not a good argument. BK needs to show prejudice would arise in a clear & convincing manner that makes such a sweeping gag order necessary.

Making the media continue seeking amendments to the writ as a remedy is pure obfuscation by the state IMO (and they know it).

MY OPINION ONLY

I respectfully disagree. The defense's argument has procedural elements (e.g., Why didn't the media do what it did in the Daybell case and make its arguments to the local court before seeking an extraordinary writ?), substantive legal arguments (in sum, the gag order does nothing more than recite the existing rule, and imposes no burden on the subject to it that is not required by existing law), and Constitutional (The major cases cited by the media actually support the gag order).

On the Constitutional aspect, BK's attorneys cite this quote from the seminal case on the First Amendment/Sixth Amendment balance:

"Neither prosecutors, counsel for defense, the accused, witnesses, court staff nor enforcement officers coming under the jurisdiction of the court should be permitted to frustrate its function. Collaboration between counsel and the press as to information affecting the fairness of a criminal trial is not only subject to regulation, but is highly censurable and worthy of disciplinary measures."

I can't begin to predict the outcome because I've no knowledge of the Idaho Supreme Court, but BK's argument against the issuance of a writ undoing the gag order is certainly well reasoned and grounded.