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gliving said:
It really is a numerous amount! Some docs have a release date but as you say, there's too many to itemize at the moment.
(Match is Tinder)
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UPS, Pullman WA ... delivery truck video.
 
iamshadow21 said:
But, since the early threads, what has been running through my head is, "It's all about the knife."

Why a knife? so many on here have asked. It's messy, you can injure yourself, you have to get up close, the victim can fight back, you can miss what you're aiming for, especially in the dark, it's a knife for a knife fetishist or collector or exmilitary, not a hunter, not a fisher, not a camper, and so on. Why not a gun? It's quick and you can do it from a distance? Why not strangulation? You can get up close, it's quiet, you can't stab yourself on a ligature or your bare hands.

I have felt from early on, it's a knife because, it's all about the knife.

I think it was always going to be a knife because he'd thought about it so often and for so long, and when he thought about it, it was always a knife.

So yeah, I'm very overtired, so probably not as coherent as I could be. I am not any kind of psych, especially not a profiler, but I think the knife is key. The knife might have even been more important to him than the victims. I think there's going to be a fixation on knives somewhere in there that goes back a long, long time into a dark, deep place in his mind. And I expect to see evidence that suggests that when we get to trial.

Very much My Opinion Only, and I apologise in advance for typos or incoherence, I'm about four hours past my bedtime.
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A knife seems to symbolize strength and masculinity.

There's even a word for the love of knives.

It's called aichmomania, which is an obsession with sharp, pointy things such as knives.

On more practical note, knives are easier to
obtain than guns.
They're readily available, easy to use and easy to conceal.

But...

"Remember,
it is never the knife’s fault."

Daniel Boulud

JMO
 
Dotta said:
A knife seems to symbolize strength and masculinity.

There's even a word for the love of knives.

It's called aichmomania, which is an obsession with sharp, pointy things such as knives.

On more practical note, knives are easier to
obtain than guns.
They're readily available, easy to use and easy to conceal.

But...

"Remember,
it is never the knife’s fault."

Daniel Boulud

JMO
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I'm not blaming the knife, I'm saying that it's entirely possible that the PERSON who is to blame for this crime has a fascination or fixation on knives as something other that a tool he can more easily acquire than a gun. That the crime may have been about using the knife, rather than the knife being something to use for the crime. Am I making sense? I don't know. I've gone to bed, but here I am on my phone, still typing....

MOO
 
Yik Yak was dead, but it's back:

Yik Yak - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

On April 28, 2017, Yik Yak announced it would be shutting down due to declining popularity,[14] and the app ceased to function as of May 5, 2017.[15]

In February 2021, an unnamed team purchased the rights to the YikYak brand from Block, Inc.[16]

On August 15, 2021, Yik Yak announced it would be making a comeback via their social media channels. The relaunched app has been available for download on iOS since August 2021. The Android version of the app has been released in July 2022.

In May 2022, a student revealed that, after analyzing app data, he was able to gain access to precise locations of Yik Yak users. The accuracy was within 10 to 15 feet and, in combination with user IDs, could potentially be used to reveal users' identities.[17]


www.michigandaily.com

Yik Yak is back, but where is it going?

Yik Yak, a social media app originally shut down in 2017, was rereleased last summer and has since built up a considerable presence at the University of Michigan. For those of you unfamiliar with Yik Yak, it allows all users to post anonymously. The catch? Only people within a five mile...
www.michigandaily.com www.michigandaily.com

 
al66pine said:
Why Blue River Knives?

snipped for focus @gliving Thanks for the gazillion links.

This ^ reference to "Blue Ridge Knives" in Marion VA caught my attn.

Did BCK buy KA-BAR (or any knife, anything) from this biz?
Per below, not likely.
How /why is BRK relevant?
What info does BRK have?

ETA: scrolled down further, saw that page 12 of search warrant requested BRK's records of sales KA-BAR KA 1217S (sheath) from Jan 1, 2022 to present (Dec. 12, 2022).

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Per co. website* it is a "Wholesale Knife, Tactical, Outdoor & Hunting Gear Distributor" and under "Brands We Sell" include KA-BAR knives.
Website also has pages for "Knives Wanted."
Google reviews date back to 7 yrs. ago.

"Our primary focus is on general purpose knives but we also offer kitchen cutlery, swords, multi-tools, sharpeners, navigation, optics, survival, flashlights, and lighters."
"The best part about working with Blue Ridge Knives, Inc. is that we are a supplier only; we do not have any retail stores or a retail website. We only sell to qualified dealers. Our over 2,000 page color retail catalog and dealer price list is available to all qualified dealers. Our catalog is a great sales aide that you can display to your customers. Once you become a dealer, you will receive a monthly sales catalog that will assist you in finding the best new items to stock..."

www.blueridgeknives.com

Blue Ridge Knives

Blue Ridge Knives is a Wholesale Knife, Sword, Cutlery & Survival Gear Distributor. Let us be your Wholesale Knife & Tactical Gear Supplier.
www.blueridgeknives.com www.blueridgeknives.com
www.blueridgeknives.com

Best Pocket Knife Brands - Top Knife Brands for Sale E-K | BRK

Blue Ridge Knives is a wholesale distributor of pocket knives, fixed blades, folders, Bowies, & more. View All the knife brands E-K we carry.
www.blueridgeknives.com www.blueridgeknives.com
www.google.com

Blue Ridge Knives, Inc. · 314 Lee Hwy, Marion, VA 24354

★★★★☆ · Wholesaler
www.google.com www.google.com
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IMO It's possible that the sheath was somehow traced back to Blue Ridge. Maybe they were able to identify the year that it was made. And Blue Ridge is the only ones that had access to that variation, that stitching, that leather type, that embossment. And LE was inquiring about the places that they supply.

It happens all of the time with nylon rope and a host of other textiles and materials.
 
Sister Golden Hair said:
In May 2022, a student revealed that, after analyzing app data, he was able to gain access to precise locations of Yik Yak users. The accuracy was within 10 to 15 feet and, in combination with user IDs, could potentially be used to reveal users' identities.[17]


www.michigandaily.com

Yik Yak is back, but where is it going?

Yik Yak, a social media app originally shut down in 2017, was rereleased last summer and has since built up a considerable presence at the University of Michigan. For those of you unfamiliar with Yik Yak, it allows all users to post anonymously. The catch? Only people within a five mile...
www.michigandaily.com www.michigandaily.com

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That student had access to APIs and data that the typical person would not have access to. Software companies usually open their books like this for transparency and for researchers to find exploits/bugs before it affects the real world.

I'm not saying that it's impossible for BK to have done something like that and exploited research data. I'm just saying the guy brought his phone with him and turned it off as it headed east towards a crime scene (likely in his pocket. So I'm highly doubtful that he was some sort of computer criminal mastermind.

BUT with that being said. Yik Yak reopening in 2022 was news I vaguely recall hearing but is a GIANT surprise to me right now.
 
iamshadow21 said:
Combine that with what we know from the lists was found places... that's quite a few different brands of knife in play, isn't it? Even if he only had one of each brand, that's what, three, four? Ka-Bar, speculated to be the murder weapon. A 'knife' no descriptor, a folding knife, a...something-Cutlery brand knife? I've forgotten. And now Blue Ridge?

Even if it's only one per, that seems a lot of knives for someone who doesn't seem to hunt or fish or camp.

I'm going to drop a quote here. Douglas, from Mindhunter. Douglas is very quotable, I'll give him that.

“Dennis Rader quoted Harvey Glatman as saying, 'It was all about the rope.' What exactly does that mean? The rope symbolized total control. The ultimate fantasy would be to keep these victims alive and dominated indefinitely, although both men knew that wasn't possible.”

That line, "It was all about the rope" has been running through my head since the early threads of following this case, since long before the arrest. Now, obviously, in this case, there is no rope. So it's not as direct as comparison as Rader was making when he quoted Glatman, both killers with an obsession with ligature strangulation.

But, since the early threads, what has been running through my head is, "It's all about the knife."

Why a knife? so many on here have asked. It's messy, you can injure yourself, you have to get up close, the victim can fight back, you can miss what you're aiming for, especially in the dark, it's a knife for a knife fetishist or collector or exmilitary, not a hunter, not a fisher, not a camper, and so on. Why not a gun? It's quick and you can do it from a distance? Why not strangulation? You can get up close, it's quiet, you can't stab yourself on a ligature or your bare hands.

I have felt from early on, it's a knife because, it's all about the knife.

I think it was always going to be a knife because he'd thought about it so often and for so long, and when he thought about it, it was always a knife.

So yeah, I'm very overtired, so probably not as coherent as I could be. I am not any kind of psych, especially not a profiler, but I think the knife is key. The knife might have even been more important to him than the victims. I think there's going to be a fixation on knives somewhere in there that goes back a long, long time into a dark, deep place in his mind. And I expect to see evidence that suggests that when we get to trial.

Very much My Opinion Only, and I apologise in advance for typos or incoherence, I'm about four hours past my bedtime.
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I think you're onto something IamShadow21. Your post offers serious food for thought. The perpetrator had other options, as you've detailed. The Knife - a symbol? Of what? Power? I'm not a psych either, and don't know all that much about DNA. Two practical points occur to me regard the choice of The Knife as a weapon - the perpetrator (I'm guessing) could inflict mortal injuries very quickly with a Ka-Bar, and it would (I think) be relatively quiet - quieter than a gun (even fitted with a silencer), and possibly quieter than strangulation given that the deed apparently can take a few minutes, and the victim would likely make some sounds. With strangulation there's also the possibility that the victim could overpower the perpetrator. Using The knife to commit the murders was likely the best option to kill/incapacitate quickly, allowing the perpetrator to exit quickly. One drawback - I know very little about DNA and associated matters, so, please sleuthers, correct me if I'm wrong - I'm guessing that with the amount of blood which accompanies a knife murder, however, DNA evidence would potentially be a problem, even months after the crime, either his DNA or that of the victims', in particular locations eg his car. Another thought which has popped into my head is that, I get the impression (MOO) that he has some OCD tendencies, so he may find the messiness of it all very distasteful (I think the anticipated adrenalin rush may cancel that thought out though. Having said that a first -time murderer may be concerned as to whether or not they could deal with the sight of all the blood, which does cause me to wonder whether this wasn't the perpetrator's kill. My personal opinion is that using The Knife, was guaranteed to create lots of publicity - the "Horror" factor would be massive - and the perpetrator would gain instant infamy and notoriety (although I believe he thought he wouldn't be caught, he would likely feel quite smug, being the "unknown" murderer. JMO
 
gliving said:
It really is a numerous amount! Some docs have a release date but as you say, there's too many to itemize at the moment.
(Match is Tinder)
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Is this comprehensive? I might be wrong but I only see Kaylee's Reddit account in the seal request. Since we know BKs account likely came down on 12/30 via a preservation request (it's clear it was suspended by Reddit) then maybe we will get access to some info soon.
 
isabella88 said:
If you look at the documents, many of them tell us who the info pertains to, i.e. the victims or BK.

The Yik Yak document caught my eye especially, and the account they are looking at belonged to BK: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Yik Yak Inc.pdf

Yik Yak was shut down years ago due to cyber harassment issues. The app allows people to completely anonymously, within a certain mile radius, to chat with others whether they like it or not:
www.nytimes.com

The Rise and Fall of Yik Yak, the Anonymous Messaging App (Published 2017)

The app, which shut down in April, was plagued by bad press from the beginning, earning itself a reputation as a place for racism, sexism, bullying and bomb threats.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

IMO, this is very interesting and if BK did in fact have contact with any of the victims prior to the murders, Yik Yak would be one way to do it.

All JMO
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Thanks @isabella88 It appears the student body was using YikYak to discuss the murders. Was BK following the convo?

dailyevergreen.com

‘Blindly trusting is the bigger problem’

Much of the information has yet to be disclosed from the Moscow Police Department about the homicide investigation involving four University of Idaho students, causing students to take to social media to find answers for themselves. Operations Capt. Roger Lanier addressed some misinformation...
dailyevergreen.com dailyevergreen.com

November 20, 2022

Much of the information has yet to be disclosed from the Moscow Police Department about the homicide investigation involving four University of Idaho students, causing students to take to social media to find answers for themselves.
Operations Capt. Roger Lanier addressed some misinformation and speculation during a press conference Sunday. He said the two surviving roommates, the man seen at Grub Truck and the private party who provided Goncalves and Mogen with a ride home are not suspects in the case.
However, many spectators and students are using social media to spread rumors and misinformation, said Caroline Ruoff, multimedia journalism and public relations double major.
“When everything was fresh with the Idaho stuff lots of people on Yik Yak were saying it was drug related or a murder suicide,” said Ruoff.
Yik Yak, an anonymous social media platform, connects people within a certain mile radius. The app allows users to post essentially anything, ranging from profanity to commentary.
College students specifically enjoy the app due to its free nature and the ability to complain about finals, find house parties and even news about what is happening on campus, according to NBC news.
While most of the information spread on the app is not constructive to facts relating to the case, students seem to be upset about the misinformation being spread on social media, according to Yik Yak posts.

(Lots more at link)
 
Ladybythesea said:
My first post here so I hope I do this right. Although opposite ends of the country, different time periods, I grew up in a college town with Greek life, popular hangouts, etc. When I first read about the crime it felt like it could have been my hometown. That's what first drew me here and why I joined. Since then I've come to really care about these victims and there families. That's my reason for constantly checking here. The reason I lurk more than post is I'm not sure I have much to add.
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Appreciate your post.

Remembering:
Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Kaylee Goncalves
 
schooling said:
Is this comprehensive? I might be wrong but I only see Kaylee's Reddit account in the seal request. Since we know BKs account likely came down on 12/30 via a preservation request (it's clear it was suspended by Reddit) then maybe we will get access to some info soon.
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I don't know if it's comprehensive... It is interesting that only KG's Reddit is listed if correct. Thanks for taking the time to read the docs. There are SO many! I also noticed several of the release dates are for different dates.
 
jjleroche said:
I think you're onto something IamShadow21. Your post offers serious food for thought. The perpetrator had other options, as you've detailed. The Knife - a symbol? Of what? Power? I'm not a psych either, and don't know all that much about DNA. Two practical points occur to me regard the choice of The Knife as a weapon - the perpetrator (I'm guessing) could inflict mortal injuries very quickly with a Ka-Bar, and it would (I think) be relatively quiet - quieter than a gun (even fitted with a silencer), and possibly quieter than strangulation given that the deed apparently can take a few minutes, and the victim would likely make some sounds. With strangulation there's also the possibility that the victim could overpower the perpetrator. Using The knife to commit the murders was likely the best option to kill/incapacitate quickly, allowing the perpetrator to exit quickly. One drawback - I know very little about DNA and associated matters, so, please sleuthers, correct me if I'm wrong - I'm guessing that with the amount of blood which accompanies a knife murder, however, DNA evidence would potentially be a problem, even months after the crime, either his DNA or that of the victims', in particular locations eg his car. Another thought which has popped into my head is that, I get the impression (MOO) that he has some OCD tendencies, so he may find the messiness of it all very distasteful (I think the anticipated adrenalin rush may cancel that thought out though. Having said that a first -time murderer may be concerned as to whether or not they could deal with the sight of all the blood, which does cause me to wonder whether this wasn't the perpetrator's kill. My personal opinion is that using The Knife, was guaranteed to create lots of publicity - the "Horror" factor would be massive - and the perpetrator would gain instant infamy and notoriety (although I believe he thought he wouldn't be caught, he would likely feel quite smug, being the "unknown" murderer. JMO
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You know, I've been thinking more and more that perhaps murder wasn't what BK went there for. I still believe Maddie was the only intended victim, but it might have been to rape her (for potentially turning down advances which is JMO), but not kill her. The knife was brought in case she needed to be scared into complying.

Finding that Maddie wasn't alone wasn't something I believe BK considered, nor was he prepared for. Perhaps one or both of them moved, murmured, or woke up when he neared the bed. That spooked him and he started stabbing, and it could be how his sheath was left behind. I would think that had things been going according to plan, if the plan was to murder her, he'd have been more in control with the whereabouts of his sheath. Things were not going according to plan, and it's my belief he did a lot of planning.

Then he ran into Xana due to being up late eating. Something happened there which is why 2 more victims were added to the count. I truly believe that had her and Ethan been in bed asleep they'd be alive today. It's all very sad to even consider. :(
 
www.uiargonaut.com

YikYak on Campus: An experiment in anonymity

Yik Yak, is a social media app that allows users anonymous posting on the site to anyone with iOS that has the app within a five-mile radius. Posts on the app are only available for 24 hours after the post is made, but users can see their past Yik Yaks…
www.uiargonaut.com www.uiargonaut.com

Sarah Pope, a University of Idaho student, has been using the app and discussed her experience with it.

“Yik Yak is basically a local anonymous Twitter,” Pope said. “I now make sure to check my Yik Yak once a day to see what everyone is talking about,”

Yik Yak has become a way for users to discuss what is going on or what they have heard about around the campus. Yik Yak is connecting people who do not even know one another over topics that they are posting about.

“I love keeping up with all the Greek Life drama! It makes me feel in the loop,” Pope said.

Katherine Johnson, a student and user, was also asked about what her favorite thing about Yik Yak is as well as if she saw any issues that the app could present.

“People always say what the undercover cop cars look like in Pullman and Moscow,” Johnson said.
 
gliving said:
I don't know if it's comprehensive... It is interesting that only KG's Reddit is listed if correct. Thanks for taking the time to read the docs. There are SO many! I also noticed several of the release dates are for different dates.
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Another thing that's interesting is that LE gave eBay a ASIN which is something that I'm pretty sure is unique to Amazon.

In the other eBay warrant they clearly identified a handful of knife purchases that they were interested to learn more about.

Edit: and cashapp and list goes on and on. I MIGHT BE UP ALL NIGHT!!! YOU HAVE CURSED ME LOL
 
PrairieWind said:
Having a death penalty can be a valuable tool for a prosecutor. He can use it as leverage, a bargaining chip. Please guilty and he'll take the DP off the table. But if a defendant knows he will never actually be executed even if he gets a death sentence, then that tool is gone.
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That is very true. I was thinking that research has definitely suggested that it is not a deterrent for crime.
 
schooling said:
Another thing that's interesting is that LE gave eBay a ASIN which is something that I'm pretty sure is unique to Amazon.

In the other eBay warrant they clearly identified a handful of knife purchases that they were interested to learn more about.

Edit: and cashapp and list goes on and on. I MIGHT BE UP ALL NIGHT!!! YOU HAVE CURSED ME LOL
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Well yes and no. Yes, ASIN is specific to Amazon as it stands for Amazon Standard Identification Number. However, ebay also uses it.

It’s a unique identifier of 10 letters and/or numbers for a product that’s assigned by Amazon.com. It’s primarily used for product-identification within their product catalog of billions of items.

For books, the ASIN is the same as the ISBN number. For all other products, a new ASIN is created when an item is uploaded to Amazon’s catalog.

www.nchannel.com

Amazon ASIN: What is An ASIN Number?

Want to sell on Amazon? You'll need to know what an ASIN number is. In this post, we'll tell you what it is, why it's important, and where to find it.
www.nchannel.com www.nchannel.com

With that said...

In February 2017, eBay will be expanding the types of product identifiers you can use to include:
  • Amazon product identifiers - Amazon Standard Identification Number (ASIN)
  • Google product identifiers
  • Seller generated product identifiers
www.zenstores.com

How to use Product Identifiers on eBay | Zenstores Blog

eBay has for a number of years been expanding its product identifier requirements to make products easier to find and compare. To help you get your head around using product identifiers on eBay, we take a look at what they are and what you need to do to your listings.
www.zenstores.com www.zenstores.com
 
Dotta said:
On more practical note, knives are easier to
obtain than guns.
They're readily available, easy to use and easy to conceal.
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And quiet...

Gemmie said:
(snipped for focus) I truly believe that had her and Ethan been in bed asleep they'd be alive today. It's all very sad to even consider.
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I agree 100%
 
MOO, But....looks like Inland Cellular might have a mini cell tower / booster in their store? Stores usually do this for demos (and to make the cell service they are selling look better). Did the route they determined the killer took go past Inland Cellular? It's only .8 from the house but I'm not sure if those boosters have that long of a range.
 
This is LONG, so please delete if necessary. For every doc in today's doc dump, I added context for quick reference about what the doc covers. This is sorted by date and follows the main list on the court site:
2/28/23 Releases:
Kaylee: Reddit
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Redditcom.pdf
Knife Sales Search: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Amazon.pdf
All 4 Victims’ AMEX: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - American Express.pdf
Ethan Apple: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Apple.pdf
Kaylee Apple: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Apple 1.pdf
Maddie Apple: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Apple 2.pdf
Xana Apple: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Apple 3.pdf
AT&T GPS (for who?): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - ATT.pdf
All 4 Victims’ BOA Records: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Bank of America.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Banner Bank Records: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Banner Bank.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Block, Inc. Records: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Block.pdf
Blue Ridge Knives Sale Search: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Blue Ridge Knives.pdf
Charter Communications Request for Info (victims’ home wifi?) https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Charter Communications.pdf
Coeur d’ Alene Police Forensic Lab: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal - Coeur dAlene Police Department Forensic Lab.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Discover Bank Records: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Discover Bank.pdf
DropBox: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Discover Bank.pdf
ebay Knife Sales Search:
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Ebay.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Ebay%201.pdf
Kaylee Elan Financial Services: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Elan Financial Services.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Idaho Credit Union Records: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Idaho Central Credit Union.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Financial Records ID Dept of Labor: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Idaho Department of Labor.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Financial Records Numerica Credit Union: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Numerica Credit Union.pdf
All 4 Victims’ Financial Records Potlach Credit Union: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Potlatch No 1 Financial Credit Untion P1FCU.pdf
Wells Fargo: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - Umpqua Bank.pdf
AT&T Records (of?):
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20ATT.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20ATT.pdf

3/7/23 Releases:
Verizon Wireless: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal - Verizon Wireless.pdf
WSU: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal - Washington State University.pdf
DoorDash Delivery to Victims’ Home: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - DoorDash Inc.pdf
Extreme Networks Decryption: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Extreme Networks.pdf
Google Accounts (Whose?):
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Google.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Google%201.pdf
Inland Cellular (Moscow, ID) Tower Data Dump: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Inland Cellular.pdf
KA-BAR Sales Search: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - KA-BAR Knives Inc.pdf
Match, LLC (Match.com & Tinder):
- ?? Account: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Match Group LLC.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Match Group LLC 2.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Match Group LLC 4.pdf
- Kaylee Account: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Match Group LLC 1.pdf
- “1224” Account: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Match Group LLC 3.pdf
META:
Girls’ IG Accounts ?: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Meta Platforms Inc.pdf
Facebook Accounts of ??:
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Meta Platforms Inc 1.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Meta%20Platforms%20Inc%202.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Meta%20Platforms%20Inc%204.pdf
Facebook and IG Accounts of ??: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Meta%20Platforms%20Inc%203.pdf
Facebook & Instagram of 4 People?: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Meta Platforms Inc 5.pdf
BK Phone Data MPD: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Moscow Police Department Forensic Lab.pdf
PayPal/Venmo Financial Records for 4 Victims & 3 Others?: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - PaypalVenmo.pdf
Kaylee & “-4818” Reddit Account(s): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Redditcom.pdf
Snapchat (Whose accounts?):
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Snap%20Inc%20Snapchat.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Snap%20Inc%20Snapchat%201.pdf
T-Mobile (Whose records?): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - T-Mobile.pdf
T-Mobile (Whose GPS records?): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - T-Mobile 1.pdf
Umpqua Bank Security Cameras (Moscow, ID): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Umpqua Bank.pdf
UPS Delivery Truck Video (Pullman, WA): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - United Parcel Service UPS.pdf
Verizon Wireless Records of Who?: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Verizon Wireless.pdf
Verizon Wireless GPS Records of Who?: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Verizon Wireless 1.pdf
Walmart KA-BAR Sales Search: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Wal-Mart Stores Inc.pdf
Yahoo (?): https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Yahoo.pdf
Yik Yak App of BK: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Yik Yak Inc.pdf
3/8/23
Google Services(?):
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20Google.pdf
- https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20Google%201.pdf
 
Gemmie said:
You know, I've been thinking more and more that perhaps murder wasn't what BK went there for. I still believe Maddie was the only intended victim, but it might have been to rape her (for potentially turning down advances which is JMO), but not kill her. The knife was brought in case she needed to be scared into complying.

Finding that Maddie wasn't alone wasn't something I believe BK considered, nor was he prepared for. Perhaps one or both of them moved, murmured, or woke up when he neared the bed. That spooked him and he started stabbing, and it could be how his sheath was left behind. I would think that had things been going according to plan, if the plan was to murder her, he'd have been more in control with the whereabouts of his sheath. Things were not going according to plan, and it's my belief he did a lot of planning.

Then he ran into Xana due to being up late eating. Something happened there which is why 2 more victims were added to the count. I truly believe that had her and Ethan been in bed asleep they'd be alive today. It's all very sad to even consider. :(
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not really practical to SA some one in a group house with 4 cars in front of it- the liklihood of noise is great and if it was supposed to be any kind of "conventional" SA
wearing a Walmart jumpsuit in the dark would be a hindrance. I think for whatever twisted reason, he was going in the house to kill. IMO. curious if he has ever shown any affection to any person or animal. my bet is no.
 
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