4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[Nichevo]

How a family tree and DNA identified Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger

Detectives sent DNA to a private lab in one of the first cases of using genealogy to solve a hot case.

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How a family tree and DNA identified Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger​

Detectives sent DNA to a private lab in one of the first cases of using genealogy to solve a hot case​

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I see your point, but “According to a source close to the investigation” is not enough proof for me. No article stating this has provided any direct quotes from local LE. The rest is just unconnected ”experts” filling in the gaps with their own opinions. You very well may be right and I could be way off base. However, I will need to see a better link than the one you have reposted to change my opinion. On the flip side, I can’t provide a link to prove this article wrong either. Just MOO

Edit:
Oops, I apologize, you did not repost the same article. However, I stand by my “A source close to the investigation“ viewpoint. I guess we won’t really know until June. I just can’t help but think genetic genealogy wouldn’t have been mentioned in the affidavit if this had been done. MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I agree about the shedding MOO. I, like some others, can’t help but wonder if he didn’t remove outer layer of clothing and shove it into a bag (Garbage or other) before he even got back into the Elantra. MOO

I personally don't think he set out with the intention of doing what he did and so he likely wouldn't have planned to be covered in blood and hadn't accounted for the situation IMO. I reckon he would have just wanted out and away real fast, it's a miracle he was able to find his car keys and drive. Also he would need his shoes on to drive (foot pedals).

What do we know about his activity immediately after leaving? I wonder where he went and washed down? To his student apartment? In which case there would surely be ring doorbells or cctv covering that end?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It would be beyond reasonable doubt when added to what they already have on him.

DNA, incriminating cell records, stalking allegations, there might be Instagram connections, etc...

No alibi.

He could allege that he had driven them in his car in the past etc or help them move things, it would create reasonable doubt (not much admittedly). If his car got as messy as I suspect it might have been then there's hope that multiple DNA evidence could be compelling.

The main thing is to locate him in their house at the time beyond all reasonable doubt IMO.

 

[NyxNY]

OR you'd be happy to get free food, maybe assuming it was delivered to wrong address?

Xana was written on the bag.

 

[jepop]

DBM

 

[Cool Cats]

I personally don't think he set out with the intention of doing what he did and so he likely wouldn't have planned to be covered in blood and hadn't accounted for the situation IMO. I reckon he would have just wanted out and away real fast, it's a miracle he was able to find his car keys and drive. Also he would need his shoes on to drive (foot pedals).

What do we know about his activity immediately after leaving? I wonder where he went and washed down? To his student apartment? In which case there would surely be ring doorbells or cctv covering that end?

Interesting.

I have often wondered the same. If he had actually planned to do it that night or if it was spur of the moment, not planned ahead.

But what makes me see it as planned is:

The knife
Mask
Dressed in black
Phone turned off ahead of time
4:00am in the morning when most are asleep
Driving around before hand in that neighborhood
Phone history over time of being in that area, possible stalking
Seen several times by witnesses in University of Idaho buildings on campus

 

[jepop]

I agree about the shedding MOO. I, like some others, can’t help but wonder if he didn’t remove outer layer of clothing and shove it into a bag (Garbage or other) before he even got back into the Elantra. MOO

Yes, for sure, I agree he may have been super aware re his own and his victim's dna and taken steps accordingly. If no more dna is found on the sheath (though we don't know what other testing is being/has been done on the sheath by now) then I think that would be an indicator of the care taken by the alleged killer. I choose to think investigators are wise enough to not be over reliant on the chances of finding victim dna amongst his things/in the traps/ in the car. I'm not too hung up on dna as I see lots of potential in the exisiting and likely forthcoming evidence (additional car analysis and forensics, digital/computer forensics, additional phone forensics). ETA: MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

He could allege that he had driven them in his car in the past etc or help them move things, it would create reasonable doubt (not much admittedly). If his car got as messy as I suspect it might have been then there's hope that multiple DNA evidence could be compelling.

The main thing is to locate him in their house at the time beyond all reasonable doubt IMO.

I do not see a possible way for the defense to say that BK was friendly with the victims, driving them in his car without putting BK on the stand and most murder defendants do not take the stand.

Also, the defense can't simple say this in court without evidence to back it up. Without evidence to prove it, BK would have to take the stand and tell the jury the victims rode in his car and the jury would decide if he was credible or not.

Also, how would BK explain it if blood was found in his car from a victim? The victim was bleeding when he drove them? This wouldn't be believable to a jury I am sure.

 

[Gemmie]

Xana was written on the bag.

True, it was, but what wasn't written on the bag was the date and time for the delivery to be made. So to me, I cannot be 100% sure that JIB bag for Xana was the from the 4am-ish delivery made on the day of her murder.

 

[jepop]

The most irritating for me was "vegan diet"/pots and pans.

I scrolled and rolled!
Argh!

But I agree it showed fixation.

JM

child bearing hips anyone? (no please don't, this is rhetorical). I definately scrolled and rolled

 

[Boxer]

He could allege that he had driven them in his car in the past etc or help them move things, it would create reasonable doubt (not much admittedly). If his car got as messy as I suspect it might have been then there's hope that multiple DNA evidence could be compelling.

The main thing is to locate him in their house at the time beyond all reasonable doubt IMO.

MOO his DNA in the house next to the corpse of victim on a knife sheath is stand alone sufficient.

 

[Kemug]

Finding out the facts about that food delivery will be enlightening. If only that little event could have sent him scurrying away on that night, maybe we wouldn't be where we are.

Scurrying away like a big black beetle, yes.

 

[Gemmie]

Scurrying away like a big black beetle, yes.

You're giving bugs a bad name. lol I happen to like (some) bugs.

 

[jjleroche]

Well that's all fun and games until you drop one of your gloves...

Oooh. Yes - big problems.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Interesting.

I have often wondered the same. If he had actually planned to do it that night or if it was spur of the moment, not planned ahead.

But what makes me see it as planned is:

The knife
Mask
Dressed in black
Phone turned off ahead of time
4:00am in the morning when most are asleep
Driving around before hand in that neighborhood
Phone history over time of being in that area, possible stalking
Seen several times by witnesses in University of Idaho buildings on campus

I think he definitely planned to go there and do *something* and that what he planned was targeted at MM, including possibly to murder her.

However, I personally suspect that what actually happened was far more excessive than the original plan, involving a level of bloodshed he had not considered and therefore his plan didn't include changing clothes. Therefore, I suspect he rushed into his car covered in 'evidence' and since we know he deep cleaned it then there may not be much to go by. I imagine he also completely destroyed the clothing and shoes worn that night as to fail to do so would be strangely remiss and really they would need incinerating if he has the means to do so.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I do not see a possible way for the defense to say that BK was friendly with the victims, driving them in his car without putting BK on the stand and most murder defendants do not take the stand.

Also, the defense can't simple say this in court without evidence to back it up. Without evidence to prove it, BK would have to take the stand and tell the jury the victims rode in his car and the jury would decide if he was credible or not.

Also, how would BK explain it if blood was found in his car from a victim? The victim was bleeding when he drove them? This wouldn't be believable to a jury I am sure.

If I was BK looking at life in prison / the death sentence (is that applicable?) then absolutely I'd be fabricating whatever cover stories necessary about how I once gave whomsoever's blood it was a lift home one time when they'd fallen and cut their knee...

 

[Cool Cats]

I think he definitely planned to go there and do *something* and that what he planned was targeted at MM, including possibly to murder her.

However, I personally suspect that what actually happened was far more excessive than the original plan, involving a level of bloodshed he had not considered and therefore his plan didn't include changing clothes. Therefore, I suspect he rushed into his car covered in 'evidence' and since we know he deep cleaned it then there may not be much to go by. I imagine he also completely destroyed the clothing and shoes worn that night as to fail to do so would be strangely remiss and really they would need incinerating if he has the means to do so.

JMO

Why do you think he may have targeted MM? And why kill on 2 different floors when having only one target? Why not kill your target on the one floor then leave?

I agree you could be right, just interested in your opinions.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

MOO his DNA in the house next to the corpse of victim on a knife sheath is stand alone sufficient.

Yes, that and the footprint, here's hoping. There's bound to be something more now they've finally apprehended him.

 

[Dotta]

I think he definitely planned to go there and do *something* and that what he planned was targeted at MM, including possibly to murder her.

However, I personally suspect that what actually happened was far more excessive than the original plan, involving a level of bloodshed he had not considered and therefore his plan didn't include changing clothes. Therefore, I suspect he rushed into his car covered in 'evidence' and since we know he deep cleaned it then there may not be much to go by. I imagine he also completely destroyed the clothing and shoes worn that night as to fail to do so would be strangely remiss and really they would need incinerating if he has the means to do so.

JMO

And I think he (allegedly) did what he had planned for a long time.

As for deep cleaning of the car, well, it means nothing for Police modern methods of finding evidence.

I don't think he entered the car "covered in evidence", he might have worn overalls during the crime or put it on when getting into the vehicle.

The car might have also had protective tarp inside.

But, some evidence must have been left.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Why do you think he targeted MM? And why kill on 2 different floors when having only one target? Why not kill your target on the one floor then leave?

I agree you could be right, just interested in your opinions.

JMO but I think that's exactly what his intention was... creep up to third floor unnoticed, assuming M alone in bedroom. Possibly not aware that K and the dog were even in the house at all but certainly not K in same room. Or it's even possible his target was K.

Plan went awry when K and M in same bed. Something extreme happened that was already off his plan. People on 2nd floor were awake / alert. We know D opened her door wondering. He was forced to kill them as probably confronted by E and then X.

I wonder if he was pretending to be a military operative SAS or FBI or somesuch?

I wouldn't even be surprised if his only intention was to creep around the house. Or if he'd crept around the house on previous occasions and not been caught.

Had he been watching the police body cam footage from the times they'd been called out to the house? Is it public access information?