4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[Sundog]

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We don't know if BK emptied his apartment before leaving WA for the winter break and driving with his father to PA. If he did empty his apartment, it is likely that he would have had more things packed into his car and/or trunk, and his father would have wondered what was going on, why BK was bringing his things back to PA on this trip.

It may be that BK wasn't planning to return to WA, and he took the things that mattered to him and left the rest behind so as not to alert his father.

We simply don't know at this point what his plans were, nor do we know if he emptied his apartment at WSU.

 

[U.N. Known]

I think he did *not* think that he'd be noticed, at least when he was in his planning stage

Interestingly, if he is in fact the killer, he was not noticed during the planning stage. The cameras in the area picked up the car the night of the murders and the cell phone pings put his phone and presumably him in the area.

I'd never be able to get away with committing a serious crime. Even if no one figured out it was me, I'd probably confess to alleviate the anxiety of waiting to be caught!

 

[U.N. Known]

I must have missed this can you provide a link to him emptying his apartment? If he did make an attempt to do this he sure left a lot of seemingly incriminating items there that were seized as stated in the search warrant.

I'd like to see that too. I've seen several people speculate that he hadn't planned to return to WA, but no actual evidence. IMO, if he was hiding DNA or suspected that he was a POI, he wouldn't have left his unemptied vacuum canister, nor would he have left behind receipts for items related to the murder, or left behind a glove (don't recall if it was used). None of that speaks of someone who was planning to hide or to hide evidence. Even if he didn't plan to return, he wasn't hiding. He was staying at the address he would have used when applying to the university.

 

[Nila Aella]

Re where did the alleged killer go immediately after the murders? Some of that is still a mystery (but I don't think it could have been his bathtub or his shower as he allegedly didn't get back to Pullman until around 5.30am!)

According to the pings of his phone he was still switched off (or not connecting to the network) at 4.20am after leaving the scene/Queen Street. bHe reconnected at at c.4.48 am. At that point he was pinging off towers south of Moscow in the vicinity of Blaine Id. The pings then demonstrate a southernly then west and northernly route back to Pullman, penultimately travelling north past 1300 Johnston road at about 5.25am then on to N-E Stadium Way Pullman ( which is towards his residence) a couple of minutes later. MOO from reading PCA.

Between 4.20 and 4.48am? We do know per PCA that he likely exited the King St neighbourhood just after 4.20am via Walenta then travelling south to intersect with Sand Road/Palouse Street/Drive. See PCA pp 13-15 from memory -

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In that half an hour he may have been getting rid of the weopon, or temporarily hiding the weopon, before turning phone back on, maybe some where south of Moscow off the highway prior to Blaine Id. I've also speculated that he may have dumped/hidden the weopon east of Moscow in some rural backwater during this half hour because that is the direction from which he allegedly approached the scene at around 3.25am. If he exited onto Sand Road/Palouse Drive as the PCA suggests he could have travelled east on Palouse and into a vast rural area on the other side of the highway.

Re cleaning up, for sure he also may have stopped to change (take off clothes he was wearing in the house). As you say, perhaps he had some kinds of plastic protection over his car seat/s. All of this is obviously speculation and MOO. Perhaps he just stopped and sat somewhere off road in his car for half an hour 'recovering' and checking up on himself and stashing the knife out of sight in the boot or something.

MOO

I agree there is time missing from before and after the crime in the PCA. I came up with a different amount of time. Calculating how long it should take him to get to Blaine (where his phone was picked up again). King road to Blaine along the route of Walenta, Castenoga, Palouse (PCA: they see him on walenta and then surmise that is the way he went because of their knowledge of the area pg 6) to 95 to Blaine takes approximately 14 minutes. So approximately 14 minutes is missing. If he went a different way it could take a little less time to get to Blaine. JMO

I'm curious if he was in the same place twice: before and then after the crime.

MOO
EBM spelling

 

[10ofRods]

We don't know if BK emptied his apartment before leaving WA for the winter break and driving with his father to PA. If he did empty his apartment, it is likely that he would have had more things packed into his car and/or trunk, and his father would have wondered what was going on, why BK was bringing his things back to PA on this trip.

It may be that BK wasn't planning to return to WA, and he took the things that mattered to him and left the rest behind so as not to alert his father.

We simply don't know at this point what his plans were, nor do we know if he emptied his apartment at WSU.

We do know that when the search warrant was served at the Steptoe Apartments where BK was living, there were a few things left behind (Fire Stick; television; computer tower). The furniture was likely rented.

There were a few other things (IIRC) - vacuum cleaner; pillows; mattress covers (but apparently no sheets or pillowcases).

https://d.newsweek.com/en/file/465464/bryan-kohberger-search-warrant.pdf

Since by the time that warrant was served, BK was already arrested and his DNA already collected, there would have been no need to take any clothing left behind (if there was any).

To me, it sounds like he took most of his important stuff with him.

IMO

 

[Nila Aella]

I'd like to see that too. I've seen several people speculate that he hadn't planned to return to WA, but no actual evidence. IMO, if he was hiding DNA or suspected that he was a POI, he wouldn't have left his unemptied vacuum canister, nor would he have left behind receipts for items related to the murder, or left behind a glove (don't recall if it was used). None of that speaks of someone who was planning to hide or to hide evidence. Even if he didn't plan to return, he wasn't hiding. He was staying at the address he would have used when applying to the university.

I found this statement in an article: although I haven't been able to locate the filings they are referring to.
MOO

Authorities previously revealed that Kohberger finished out the semester following the crime, and in the newly unveiled filings, investigators said they believed he planned to return to class again after the winter break

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants unsealed

Newly unsealed search warrants shed light on what investigators found in University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's Washington State University apartment and office.

www.foxnews.com

 

[kittythehare]

You are right. We don't know that BK was influenced by or had a rabid interest in serial killers. We may never know.

I do not believe BK's crime was closely related to his studies, but I do think knowing the specific focus of expertise he planned to develop in his Ph.D. dissertation could provide a bit of insight into his mind. Getting a Ph.D. is an intense process requiring diligent and thorough study of a narrow issue. The process focuses the mind on that issue, sometimes for years.

My interest in his specific studies is this: If BK's Ph.D. dissertation was to be focused on data security and analysis in law enforcement, this speculation about his interest in SKs would not be supported by the nature of his studies. If he was studying serial killers or thrill killers or mass murderers, another inference might be drawn from that.

IMO, BK's gain from these horrific acts was a perverse satisfaction in killing pretty women, a release of the tension his psychopathology was creating in him. Now, his gain is proving himself smarter than the prosecution, getting away with this crime, with the hope of doing it again.

MOO

Yeah!
You're making sense with this.
There is nothing except my imagination, fastly fading, to suggest it has anything to do with academia.

except perhaps the beyond pedantic behaviour he exhibited post act, the wee ziplock bags of his 'stuff' etc. Crossing t's and dotting i's though it makes no sense at all, especially as he was allegedly using other peoples' dustbins to deposit them..

It does seem more likely that it was indeed the perverse satisfaction of the act itself that motivated him, an almost perfect compartmentalisation of psyche.

 

[kittythehare]

Perhaps his alleged gain was no different than so many others, noteriety. His name is known, books will be written, movies will be made and his actions will be scrutinized for years to come.

A self perceived nobody just made himself what he believes is a somebody.

He's made himself a prisoner though, that is all.
It's not like his social circle will be 'lit' after this, he will have none at all.

I think you're right in that ego has a role here, it's the conflict between ego and id that troubles me.
Especially if this was indeed his first crime.

 

[CSIDreamer]

We do know that when the search warrant was served at the Steptoe Apartments where BK was living, there were a few things left behind (Fire Stick; television; computer tower). The furniture was likely rented.

There were a few other things (IIRC) - vacuum cleaner; pillows; mattress covers (but apparently no sheets or pillowcases).

https://d.newsweek.com/en/file/465464/bryan-kohberger-search-warrant.pdf

Since by the time that warrant was served, BK was already arrested and his DNA already collected, there would have been no need to take any clothing left behind (if there was any).

To me, it sounds like he took most of his important stuff with him.

IMO

IMO, we have no idea what he left behind. All we know is what was taken that conformed to the specifics of the search warrant.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Another segment. Idaho Murders: As a Small Town Grapples With Sinister Rumors, Media’s True-Crime Obsession Grows

Thanks @NottaYutz ! A very long article mostly about Brian Entin's reporting of the Moscow Murders while vying to get the big news scoop first. Toward the end the author changes to a more philosophical note:

"Neuroscientists have found that when we interact with social media, it’s the anticipation of answers, not their existence, that stirs in us a need to keep clicking, scrolling, and posting—perhaps that’s why Kohberger’s arrest brings less closure to sleuths than one might anticipate.

In our internet-addicted brains, it seems productive to skip past endings and repost whatever fresh allegations we’ve just read, misguided by the myth that social media is a tool for social justice. In reality, studies show that screens lower our empathy, increasing the tendency toward cruelty, which can camouflage online as heroism."

 

[10ofRods]

IMO, we have no idea what he left behind. All we know is what was taken that conformed to the specifics of the search warrant.

Actually, the fact that LE took some things from his apartment means we DO know at least a little about what he left behind.

I didn't say we know ALL that he left behind. And I find it hard to believe they would take two mattress covers but not the sheets on top of them. Whatever prompted them to take the mattress covers ought, IMO, to have prompted them to take sheets and pillowcases. But they report there were no pillowcases.

So either there never were sheets and pillowcases (possible but odd) or he took the sheets home. Or LE was completely disinterested in items that were actually listed on the search warrant to be searched for (which I personally do not believe is the case).

IMO. I believe LE would also have taken hairbrushes, toothbrushes, and items of that nature if they were actually there. Because although they had BK's swabs by then, they surely have to be interested in who else might have been inside that apartment and, perhaps, visiting fairly frequently.

IMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

Bryan Kohberger wore gloves to sort trash as cops nabbed him in brutal Idaho slayings

Bryan Kohberger wore gloves to sort trash as cops nabbed him in brutal Idaho slayings

Kohberger was “wearing latex medical-type gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies,” according to Monroe County prosecutor Michael…

nypost.com

Monroe County First Assistant District Attorney Michael Mancuso told BRC 13 that “Kohberger was found awake in the kitchen area dressed in shorts and a shirt” on Dec. 30 when cops raided his family’s Albrightsville home around 1:30 a.m.

The 28-year-old suspect was also “wearing latex medical-type gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies,” Mancuso said.

 

[sds71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633524864895053826

 

[Spec-u-lator]

I must have missed this can you provide a link to him emptying his apartment? If he did make an attempt to do this he sure left a lot of seemingly incriminating items there that were seized as stated in the search warrant.

Thank you for citing the bolded phrase above as having no substantiating link. Nothing has been reported as to the condition of the apartment.
To me, and this is my opinion only, it seemed as though very few items were taken by LE from the apartment. No clothes, shoes, computers, books, personal documents, according to the apartment inventory. However, all of those items were found in PA, according the inventory of items removed from the residence.
I did not mean to imply as fact that the apartment was emptied out. No such record exists at this time. It was my imagination that jumped to that hypothesis. My apologies.

 

[Montecore1]

Thank you for citing the bolded phrase above as having no substantiating link. Nothing has been reported as to the condition of the apartment.
To me, and this is my opinion only, it seemed as though very few items were taken by LE from the apartment. No clothes, shoes, computers, books, personal documents, according to the apartment inventory. However, all of those items were found in PA, according the inventory of items removed from the residence.
I did not mean to imply as fact that the apartment was emptied out. No such record exists at this time. It was my imagination that jumped to that hypothesis. My apologies.

Got ya...however jus' FYI there was a computer tower taken.

 

[CGray123]

Another segment. Idaho Murders: As a Small Town Grapples With Sinister Rumors, Media’s True-Crime Obsession Grows

This is a must-read article!!

My quote of the day:

"MURDER INVESTIGATIONS HAPPEN ON A MICROSCOPIC LEVEL. TO DENIGRATE THE PROCESS MAY PARTLY REFLECT A GROWING DISCOMFORT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT CONSIDERING ONESELF MORE CAPABLE SPEAKS TO A LARGER DELUSION - THAT ONLINE WE CAN DO ANYTHING."

 

[_Jez_]

10 (non legible) inside glove inside box

Snipped for focus.

IMO I think it’s actually “ID cards inside glove inside box”

Apologies in advance if someone already said this.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Snipped for focus.

IMO I think it’s actually “ID cards inside glove inside box”

Apologies in advance if someone already said this.

I've been kind of wondering if he had some fake IDs. JMO

 

[formerlyme]

Bryan Kohberger wore gloves to sort trash as cops nabbed him in brutal Idaho slayings

Bryan Kohberger wore gloves to sort trash as cops nabbed him in brutal Idaho slayings

Kohberger was “wearing latex medical-type gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies,” according to Monroe County prosecutor Michael…

nypost.com

Monroe County First Assistant District Attorney Michael Mancuso told BRC 13 that “Kohberger was found awake in the kitchen area dressed in shorts and a shirt” on Dec. 30 when cops raided his family’s Albrightsville home around 1:30 a.m.

The 28-year-old suspect was also “wearing latex medical-type gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies,” Mancuso said.

taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies.... that says a lot, trying to keep his dna safe?

 

[kittythehare]

taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies.... that says a lot, trying to keep his dna safe?

Safe from what though?
I doubt anybody will be in a hurry to attempt to replicate it for any reason known to mankind.
Does he feel it's so precious?

This will only go one place and I'm really reluctant to name it.
He did continue his studies after the massacre and whereas people may have noticed a difference in him, it was not at this level or even close. We saw him on the drive home when vehicle was stopped by LE. He was able to pull off a perfectly sane and innocent way of being , albeit with dancing spinning eyes.