4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 75

[Helechawagirl]

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If I'm reading this article correctly (article posted below), it sounds like the DD warrant from January to August may have been served prior to LE having their sights on BK. So if it was pre-BK as a suspect, they were looking into DD drivers as possible suspects.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html

That makes sense

 

[Deleted member 718]

Lawmakers approve $1M for University of Idaho costs that stemmed from killings

The money will cover Idaho State Police services, increased security, a shuttle service, counseling, a vigil, media consulting and a security review, according to the budget request.

www.seattletimes.com

The University of Idaho will receive $1 million in state funds to cover costs related to the killings of four students in Moscow last year.

Lawmakers approved the funding this month, after Idaho Gov. Brad Little recommended the $1 million transfer from the state’s general fund.

The money will cover Idaho State Police services, increased security, a shuttle service, counseling services, a vigil, media consulting and a security review, according to the budget request.

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The funding is separate from the $1 million that Little pledged to the investigation into the killings. That money, which did not need approval from the Legislature, came from the governor’s emergency fund.

 

[Gemmie]

Article about search warrants

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html

Regarding the bit below... it sounds like LE suspected Kaylee was the intended target, at least it sounds that way to me. Otherwise I would have thought they'd at least seek info from Maddie and Xana at the same time. Ethan later only because he didn't live there. Hmmmm...

During the first week of December, police also sent search warrants to Tinder, Reddit, Google and Yahoo seeking Goncalves’ account information from each company. They wanted her dating profile and Reddit data, tied to two email addresses and one phone number, dating to Jan. 1, 2021. From Google and Yahoo for her email accounts, police requested all data from Aug. 1, 2022, through a week after she died.

At that point in their investigation, police did not seek the same information through warrants about any of the other three victims, according to the records.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html

ETA - I don't know why my post and the one I Quoted has over a half dozen copies of the same link. They magically disappeared when I hit Edit to delete them, so they'd be gone after I hit Save! Stoopid thing.

 

[Gemmie]

Has everyone subscribed to The Statesman? I hit a paywall. I can't read it so I'll gladly take your word for it.

I've been involved in this case part/time until this point due to the Murdaugh trial.

I will have a Mod delete the statement in the OP.

Yes, but I hit Close on the paywall popup and it went away. Sometimes F5 works as does closing the window and hitting the link to it again. Neither worked this time so I had to click on the X to close the popup block.

 

[Helechawagirl]

I personally have not found this to be true at all...all of the DD/Uber Eats etc drivers I have interacted with (late night or not) have all been people that are just working a very difficult job just to try to make ends meet in this economy or even retiree's. In fact most working the late night shift it is a second job for the additional needed income... But like I wrote thats the ones I have interacted with so YMMV

This was discussed many pages back and if Im not mistaken the Pullman Police bodycam videos are available but not the Moscow Police bodycam videos.

I’m an Uber driver and we go through a background check; I’m a retiree.

 

[Sundog]

Has everyone subscribed to The Statesman? I hit a paywall. I can't read it so I'll gladly take your word for it.

I've been involved in this case part/time until this point due to the Murdaugh trial.

I will have a Mod delete the statement in the OP.

I don't have a subscription to The Idaho Statesman and was able to read the article without a paywall. When I went to the link for the article in The Statesman, a pop-up came up and asked me to sign up for the paper - or click something like "maybe later." When I clicked on that button ("maybe later" or something like that), then the pop-up was cleared and I could read the article. Just a suggestion in case you want to try again, it worked for me.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I agree when it comes to the DD driver who dropped food off at 4 am on the night of the murder. But if they're going to then investigate all DD drivers who delivered to that address (even the ones who DIDN'T deliver on the night of the murder), then why don't they do that for every murder? JMO.

I don't know the answer to this question but the nature of the case may provide a clue. The victims here are college students, a group that routinely uses services like DoorDash. In this case, from the beginning it was obviously possible that the murders were done by a "stranger" not involved socially with the victims, so the question then becomes "how did the perpetrator become aware of the victims"? So finding out who may have delivered food to the house is part of identifying a pool of suspects. If the murders had been 4 members of a family, along with investigating family and close associates of the victims, investigators would look at the landscapers or a plumber who installed a new bathroom or the daughter's former boyfriend--people who are on the fringe of the victims' lives but may have had interaction with them.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm fully on-board with them investigating the DD driver who delivered that day.

BUT they were investigating ALL DD drivers who delivered to the address from January 2022 until the night of the murders. Every driver who delivered there for the 10 months prior. So if some DD driver delivered in January, he was investigated for a murder that happened 10 months later. That's what I find unusual.

The driver who delivered the day of the murder should absolutely be investigated.

MOO

In a murder likely committed by strangers, the job of the investigation is to figure out who knew about the house and its occupants or who interacted with them. With 4 individual college students (6, including the survivors), one possible point of contact between the people in the house and a killer could be food deliveries.

 

[jepop]

That's a pretty nice and informative article from the Idaho Statesmen IMO.

I think the article is relying on the PCA when it states that the Door dash driver was cleared and seems to imply this was by early Dec. Infact, I agree with some others here (@Nila Aella ? )who note that the PCA really just says LE spoke to the DD driver or I think the DD driver came forward. Anyway, I'd think this would have been in early days of investigation when LE first spoke to DD driver.

The PCA was finalised in late December and my view is that the DD driver and in likelihood any other drivers who delivered to the Kings Road residence were looked into and cleared by then (last week DEc). MOO. IMO when LE served the DD warrant on 6 Dec I don't think DD was offcially cleared. As I've speculated before I believe LE had PC to look into DD at that time in the investigation. BK was on the radar but I belive DD was also a legitimate angle/lead LE was committed to fololwing up. I don't see an issue with the warrant going back 10 months and think the sealed affadavit probably argued PC based on the investigative experience of a confidential source (an experienced detective) in major homicides (personal speculation). At that point in the investigation, I see DD as a legitimate place to investigate. And it's a very good thing, IMO, that the drivers and company were protected from public scruitiny on the basis of privacy and so forth and are still protected now. Gosh, can you imagine what social media would do to DD drivers if they were named? (MOO).

 

[jepop]

Has everyone subscribed to The Statesman? I hit a paywall. I can't read it so I'll gladly take your word for it.

I've been involved in this case part/time until this point due to the Murdaugh trial.

I will have a Mod delete the statement in the OP.

I just had to turn off my add blocker, no paywall. I clicked from @Nila Aella's post.

 

[JennyM523]

Question: when did XK, MM, KG, BF, and DM move into the house at 1122 King?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

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I did find the following info - that the share car driver who dropped M & K off lived nearby to BK in Pullman and maybe it is this info that I've got mixed up with?

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

*not in any way suggesting any food premises or delivery driver or this car driver is in any way connected to the murders, just for clarification.

 

[Boxer]

That makes sense

Not only in the interest of investigation, but elimination of all possible suspects is proper police work for the DA to obtain conviction.

 

[Boxer]

We'll see at trial how open and shut it is. I just don't think it's normal to investigate 10 months of DD drivers, no matter who was the last to see the victims. I really don't think this is just a case of infatuation or anger that someone ignored his DMs. I think there's a lot of complexity to this case that tends to be overlooked and minimized, even if the end result is still that BK is guilty and that he acted alone.

MOO.

I believe they pulled more or less 9 months of BK avtivity as well. They were looking for pattern and prior contact. MOO MPD lookong good.

 

[Deleted member 718]

An IMEI# is like a VIN for phones. Every phone has one and it's a unique indentifier. There are individual warrants for each of the victim's phones. Xana, Ethan and Maddie's warrants each have the IMEI # listed but Kaylee's warrant doesn't mention the IMEI#. It only has the last four digits of her phone number. Could it be that Kaylee's phone wasn't found so LE didn't know her IMEI?

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Apple%203.pdf

Xana see page 11.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Apple%202.pdf

Maddie see page 11

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Apple.pdf

Ethan see page 11

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Apple%201.pdf

Kaylee see page 11

What is IMEI Number? - IMEI.info

The IMEI is a unique 15 digit number to identify mobile devices. Here you can get more information about this identifier codes. You can read what are the parts of the IMEI, how to get access to this number on the phone and what details info you can get by using the IMEI.

www.imei.info

 

[jepop]

Question: when did XK, MM, KG, BF, and DM move into the house at 1122 King?

IDK but I do remember that one angle of investigation involved the premise that the house may have been targetted. The DD warrant may have been partially related to that particular angle of investigation also. Speculating that PC for the DD warrant partially argued on that basis. MOO

EBM: for clarity

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Regarding the bit below... it sounds like LE suspected Kaylee was the intended target, at least it sounds that way to me. Otherwise I would have thought they'd at least seek info from Maddie and Xana at the same time. Ethan later only because he didn't live there. Hmmmm...

During the first week of December, police also sent search warrants to Tinder, Reddit, Google and Yahoo seeking Goncalves’ account information from each company. They wanted her dating profile and Reddit data, tied to two email addresses and one phone number, dating to Jan. 1, 2021. From Google and Yahoo for her email accounts, police requested all data from Aug. 1, 2022, through a week after she died.

At that point in their investigation, police did not seek the same information through warrants about any of the other three victims, according to the records.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html

ETA - I don't know why my post and the one I Quoted has over a half dozen copies of the same link. They magically disappeared when I hit Edit to delete them, so they'd be gone after I hit Save! Stoopid thing.

I think they immediately suspected that because of Kaylee's injuries. Her father said her injuries were worse than Maddie's. They initially also believed it was a crime of passion, again IMO, I think because of Kaylee's injuries. But the fact that they later went back and requested similar data on the others tells me they weren't certain Kaylee was the intended target and/or the information they had didn't conclusively tell them that.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I don't know the answer to this question but the nature of the case may provide a clue. The victims here are college students, a group that routinely uses services like DoorDash. In this case, from the beginning it was obviously possible that the murders were done by a "stranger" not involved socially with the victims, so the question then becomes "how did the perpetrator become aware of the victims"? So finding out who may have delivered food to the house is part of identifying a pool of suspects. If the murders had been 4 members of a family, along with investigating family and close associates of the victims, investigators would look at the landscapers or a plumber who installed a new bathroom or the daughter's former boyfriend--people who are on the fringe of the victims' lives but may have had interaction with them.

Even getting a warrant for someone who may have delivered mail 10 months prior? Seems overkill to me, unless there's something pushing them in that direction. As @Sister Golden Hair has said repeatedly (and I agree), warrants aren't granted just for curiosities sake. There has to be some sort of evidence, not just a "let's check everything" mentality. MOO. IANAL.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

In a murder likely committed by strangers, the job of the investigation is to figure out who knew about the house and its occupants or who interacted with them. With 4 individual college students (6, including the survivors), one possible point of contact between the people in the house and a killer could be food deliveries.

But again I ask, why didn't Amazon get a warrant? Why didn't UPS drivers/FedEx drivers? Who was their mailman? IMO, it doesn't make sense to isolate DD with the above explanation. Are we thinking they never got Instacart? They didn't take the Uber-like service provided by the University back in January, February, March, etc? Why no warrants there? One thing is not like the others. There was something special about DD drivers beyond the one who delivered food that night. I'm just curious as to what that is.

MOO.

 

[Erutan]

IDK but I do remember that one angle of investigation involved the premise that the house may have been targetted. The DD warrant may have been partially related to that particular angle of investigation also. Speculating that PC for the DD warrant partially argued on that basis. MOO

EBM: for clarity

Iirc, BK may have driven by or even stopped his vehicle in the general vicinity of the victim's residence ?
Aka stalking, in or to get a 'feel' for the household's dynamics, and their habits & patterns ?
Imo.