4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 76

[Cool Cats]

This may be a matter of semantics but IMO you're using the term "know" very loosely.

To my mind, BK was aware of the housemates existence. To my mind, the word "know" means something else. JMOO.

As I said many threads ago in the early stages, if prosecution can establish a point of contact IRL between BK and any of the victims (particularly prior to following any of them on SM) it would illustrate a pattern of escalation (but IMO it isn't necessary). If BK in fact made and continued to attempt contact despite being rebuffed, ignored, blocked etc then it would illustrate fixation, escalation, harassment etc. Particularly any attempts made several weeks leading up to the murders.

The Manson family murders is very much OT.

It would not surprise me to discover that BK had attempted to catfish any of the victims via SM or Match. If he did, it was likely in the hope of luring his "desired target".

BKs' phone records and history of attempting to contact/follow/like the victims SM is crucial IMO. Coupled with all the other digital evidence, it paints a picture.

I will repeat this post from above:

You have to know the person EXISTS - IS ALIVE - WALKS ON EARTH.

You can't stalk someone if YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THEM.

If Bryan had no prior knowledge of the vicims - had no clue who they were - he couldn't have stalked them.

His defense can say he had no idea who these people on King Rd were.

The prosecution can say they have proof he was aware of them.

For example, I have no idea who you are, I couldn't stalk you. But if I saw who you were through your SM accounts then I would know who you are and if I only lived 15 minutes away - finding out your location - then I could stalk you in person. Now I'm aware of you, I know who you are. You don't know me though. I can be sneaky and drive to your house a dozen times, no one knows.

Just an example, Cool Cats doesn't stalk people.

2 Cents

PS.

The Manson murders are not off topic when simply used as an example against a current case.
Just like the OJ trial is used simply as an example many times over and over on many threads. People cite past cases all the time when discussing current cases.

 

[Bogbacal2]

In a previous statement from KG dad, SG, I recall him saying (paraphrasing) that BK was close enough to the victims‘ house to “touch” the Wi-Fi. So, perhaps if BK had ever been in the house (guest or party) and was given the wi-if password, he would automatically connect to it again if he were in range of their house/Wi-Fi. Hoping he did somehow connect to their home Wi-Fi-knowingly or, as previously discussed his Wi-Fi automatically trying to connect to the victims, unbeknownst to BK.

 

[PrairieWind]

I have exhausted my poor brain at work today. Can someone help me understand Jennifer C's comment "Last night, the initial news was muted. I don't know why but in hindsight, it was for the best." I read her tweet and many of the comments, but I'm somehow missing her point. One poster asked if she was suggesting that, at the last minute, Newsnation had changed what they intended to report to a more blanket/general story that he's being looked at as a possible serial killer. I translated that comment to mean that perhaps Newsnation had originally intended to report something more specific about that topic, but decided not to. Does that seem like I have it right?

Also, I read some follow up discussion that pointed out going with a GJ would keep more of the evidence secret until trial. I also found one article where it mentioned that Idaho prosecutors seem to prefer the Prelim Hearing over Grand Juries, but it is Newsweek, so grab the salt.

Will Bryan Kohberger face a grand jury? What we know

A grand jury is a "body controlled by the prosecution," a criminal defense attorney told Newsweek.

www.newsweek.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644006482638241794

I don't know why anyone gives any serious consideration to Coffindafer.
The Prosecutor has commenced his case, and made an arrest based on his Information and has a Preliminary Hearing set. I can't imagine he would be chicken s*&% enough to now switch to present this to a grand jury. He is an experienced county attorney and I don't seem him playing those kinds of games.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Does anyone know why/how Maddie had a tinder account when she had a long term (one year+) boyfriend at the time of the murder? I’m just curious

According to the warrants linked by SGH, Kaylee had one too, dating back to 2021. Is it possible BK saw either of them there?

 

[Cool Cats]

POST OF THE DAY*

"he is the smartest man in the room, ahem cell now"

Yes, in the cell.

Thank you, @girlhasnoname for this description.
________________________________________________
*

HA!

He has to be the smartest man in the cell because he is the ONLY man in the cell!

 

[10ofRods]

I don't know why anyone gives any serious consideration to Coffindafer.
The Prosecutor has commenced his case, and made an arrest based on his Information and has a Preliminary Hearing set. I can't imagine he would be chicken s*&% enough to now switch to present this to a grand jury. He is an experienced county attorney and I don't seem him playing those kinds of games.

Most people do not understand how Grand Juries work, even in their own jurisdictions.

Coffindafer should know better, but then, perhaps she's mainly just been doing various investigative (not legal) things.

What do people think the purpose of a GJ is, other than to hear evidence and indict? If someone is already indicted, no one convenes a GJ to do it again.

And where I live, the GJ is used only for cases that involve criminal misdoings by public employees or when national security issues are at stake, wherein many people who work in various civic offenses wish to testify without the media present and without the same rules as a Prelim. For example: A judge was indicted. The entire thing was kept secret, we still do not know the details. He resigned and pleaded out to lesser charges than his original charges. In another case, several people working for the County in their retirement finance division had embezzled. Same thing. Charges. No trial. They pleaded to the charges given them by the GJ (and it really did keep the case on the down low, as intended - but the people who had to testify against these people would have had to work UNDER them if they had not been indicted and had not pleaded out).

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Duplicate.

 

[Deleted member 718]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644129408616210432

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

According to the warrants linked by SGH, Kaylee had one too, dating back to 2021. Is it possible BK saw either of them there?

worth repeating: Tinder from March 1, 2021 to March 31, 2021 for 20 redacted accounts - warrant dated 12.22.2022 by this point they were watching BK’s every move. PC made that happen.

 

[I'm Nobody]

NN is not my favorite either. Unnamed sources again. Cyberstalking evidence, all those redacted SM accounts may have returned a connection?

"ID connected to Idaho killings found in one of Kohberger’s residences"
Remember recovered item 35 debated due to the handwriting?
Might have been ID cards inside a glove inside a box?
Trophy?

add JMO

 

[whiterhino]

I will repeat this post from above:

You have to know the person EXISTS - IS ALIVE - WALKS ON EARTH.

You can't stalk someone if YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THEM.

If Bryan had no prior knowledge of the vicims - had no clue who they were - he couldn't have stalked them.

His defense can say he had no idea who these people on King Rd were.

The prosecution can say they have proof he was aware of them.

For example, I have no idea who you are, I couldn't stalk you. But if I saw who you were through your SM accounts then I would know who you are and if I only lived 15 minutes away - finding out your location - then I could stalk you in person. Now I'm aware of you, I know who you are. You don't know me though. I can be sneaky and drive to your house a dozen times, no one knows.

Just an example, Cool Cats doesn't stalk people.

2 Cents

PS.

The Manson murders are not off topic when simply used as an example against a current case.
Just like the OJ trial is used simply as an example many times over and over on many threads. People cite past cases all the time when discussing current cases.

Highlighted & bolded: Correct. That is precisely what I have been saying

My response to the use of the term "know" was typed up prior to your response @Gemmie (who from my understanding was echoing what I also said AFAIK). You quoted my post at 6:08 a.m. I couldn't bicker about it anymore even if I wanted as it's against TOS.

From your post:
For example, I have no idea who you are, I couldn't stalk you. But if I saw who you were through your SM accounts then I would know who you are and if I only lived 15 minutes away - finding out your location - then I could stalk you in person. Now I'm aware of you, I know who you are. You don't know me though. I can be sneaky and drive to your house a dozen times, no one knows.

In your example: I fully understand what you're getting at in the sense that learning about a person, even if only via online SM, could seem like "getting to know someone".

But how did you see me through SM accounts in the first place??? Second, when you start collecting information about me from SM, you're engaging in stalking tactics. Especially if doing so in order to learn where I live. To take that next step of getting into a vehicle and driving past is also an escalation as it's an action taken IRL.

To me the Manson family murders is OT because it's like bait IMOO. But FWIW it's been speculated that the intended victims of the Manson family were not strangers but rather a music producer who had offered to work with Charles Manson but later backed out and was not at the house. By all means, please discuss further if within TOS but please exclude me!

 

[whiterhino]

In a previous statement from KG dad, SG, I recall him saying (paraphrasing) that BK was close enough to the victims‘ house to “touch” the Wi-Fi. So, perhaps if BK had ever been in the house (guest or party) and was given the wi-if password, he would automatically connect to it again if he were in range of their house/Wi-Fi. Hoping he did somehow connect to their home Wi-Fi-knowingly or, as previously discussed his Wi-Fi automatically trying to connect to the victims, unbeknownst to BK.

I too remember KGs dad SG saying this. I couldn't find any links with direct quotes though.

AFAIK even if BK didn't have the password for the wifi at 1122 King Rd if his phone was set to scan for available networks his phone might have pinged their router (as well as other neighbors routers potentially!). I'm sure this has already been discussed in previous threads but I cannot recall the details. The media thread might contain some more information.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

<modsnip: personal anecdotes going off topic>

Even if they found something "simple" like nighttime prowling or stalking of young women on his part any of the years he lived in PA related or not to an actual crime, it would show a pattern of behavior, IMO, and IMHO, along the lines of MO as Coffindaffer mentioned:

imo jmo nope:

the evidence must be so specific that it uniquely identifies defendant.

Coffindaffer provides an example of behavior specific to a perpetrator: The purple cowboy hat, possessed a gold gun with mother of pearl handles, was heard humming the tune to “Twinkle Twinkle Little Star,” and put the money in a black Gucci bag is what makes it unique, identifiable, and therefore admitted, not the bank-robbing piece. anyone can rob a bank, bu not everyone does it with such panache. Now if Kohberger always rode a pink banana bike and dressed like Marilyn Monroe and sang Happy Birthday Mr. President to do his stalking, that would be a pattern of behavior... imo jmo... just stalking, no dice.

"In criminal law, modus operandi refers to a method of operation or pattern of criminal behavior so distinctive that separate crimes or wrongful conduct are recognized as the work of the same person. Modus operandi is used as a basis for admitting evidence of other crimes and is permitted by Rule 404(b)(2) of the Federal Rules of Evidence. For example, in a case involving the armed robbery of a bank, evidence that the alleged robber was convicted of an armed robbery one year prior would be admissible to prove identity through modus operandi where in both the prior case and the current case the perpetrator wore a purple cowboy hat, possessed a gold gun with mother of pearl handles, was heard humming the tune to “Twinkle Twinkle Little Star,” and put the money in a black Gucci bag. The evidence is so specific that it uniquely identifies defendant as the perpetrator in the case at hand."

 

[MassGuy]

Sources: ID from Idaho killings found in Kohberger home searches

“It’s a big deal. That is a smoking license,” retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer said.

www.newsnationnow.com

If true, it’s ballgame.

 

[10ofRods]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644129408616210432

For those of you who might not have read that, the upshot is that BK is not associated with weird or criminal behavior back home. As I understand it.

IMO>

 

[whiterhino]

Sources: ID from Idaho killings found in Kohberger home searches

“It’s a big deal. That is a smoking license,” retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer said.

www.newsnationnow.com

If true, it’s ballgame.

Could this update be related to whatever happened that the NN article from last night was "muted"? Just speculating.

 

[10ofRods]

So, yes, this is NewsNation but the byline includes Chris Cuomo (new to NewsNation? I didn't realize he was writing for them). It also includes the hit-and-miss opinions of Coffindaffer.

HOWEVER, it's a big deal, because it seems to say that ID found in BK's car was from one of the victims (and apparently was found outside of Idaho - so no gag order):

Sources: ID from Idaho killings found in Kohberger home searches

“It’s a big deal. That is a smoking license,” retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer said.

www.newsnationnow.com

I was about to say critical things about NewsNation but often, taking up every lead is useful.

What was Bryan Kohberger doing with an ID from one of the victims?

If this is true/accurate/verified/placed into evidence, this is huge. And I'm not surprised that BK is yet another one of the Cuckoo Sadists who commit murder, if true.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Could this update be related to whatever happened that the NN article from last night was "muted"? Just speculating.

I am thinking so! Oh my. The inter-state nature of these crimes makes it hard to keep up with. "Muting" might mean a request from Idaho to voluntarily follow the gag order.

But, the upshot is that somehow some ID from one of the victims was found in proximity or IN BK's car.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

All my interpretationl

 

[Gemmie]

Sources: ID from Idaho killings found in Kohberger home searches

“It’s a big deal. That is a smoking license,” retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer said.

www.newsnationnow.com

If true, it’s ballgame.

WHOAAA.....

 

[tara83]

I had wondered if he took a trophy from the scene but I was thinking something small not an id.WOW.