4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #81

[BeginnerSleuther]

Not books only; but the other entities exist for additional purposes. The planned books, podcasts, docudramas are money grabs. Look at the Dahmer films—disgusting; he drilled holes in some of their skulls and poured acid in it while they were alive—I could have lived my life wo knowing that. And the families will relive that horror every time they accidentally see it on tv or someone brings it up. I just think horror should be fiction. Human monsters don’t need to be immortalized. He hasn’t even been convicted yet; heckuva lawsuit(s) if he’s found innocent.
We can agree to disagree. It just seems our country has lost its moral compass. This is just another example. JMO

IMO, if books about true crime bother people, they have the choice to not buy them. I personally stay away from them because in my job, I hear enough horrific things. I don't want to read about them in books. But I fully respect that others are different and IMO, it's their choice, just like it's our choice to turn on Dateline or click on a Daily Mail or NY Post article, knowing they make a profit if we watch. It's all a money grab if applying that definition, IMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

He had almost two months to clean his car.
MOO Lack of blood evidence there seems meaningless.

Well, either it means something or it doesn't. But IMO, if that's the case, then lack of blood evidence would never, ever clear any suspect because everyone can clean up after a murder. How do you prove a negative? Take BK out of it and imagine a hypothetical scenario in which LE has the wrong guy. The guy has no blood on him, no blood in his apartment, no blood in his car, no nothing. The jury should absolutely 100% have some doubt in that case. 100%. Now we can argue the other evidence is strong enough to get a conviction and that's fine. But we can't just say that no blood doesn't mean anything, IMO. It absolutely should mean something. How much will depend on the strength of the rest of the evidence.

Even a lot of posters here were saying in earlier threads there's no way there's no evidence in the car when you consider the brake petals and areas he wouldn't have been able to reach without totally disassembling the car. If it turns out there is no blood or evidence even in those areas and no indication that he did disassemble the car, then that's something, IMO.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It certainly does appear BK may be guilty, from what we have been told to date, however, we have not heard ALL of the evidence, as you have rightly pointed out …. And certainly not any evidence from the Defence as yet …

With the gag order in place, it is preventing both sides of the story being told …. (There are always 2 sides to a story, and they are often quite different to each other)

Even if the gag order is lifted I think we would only hear the parts that the Media want to sensationalise, and I suspect those parts that would assist the prosecution … Parts of the story that may attract headlines etc ….
MY opinion only….

In any criminal case… not just this one, I prefer to hear all of the evidence, and analyse it, before making a guilty on non guilty verdict in my mind ….
I personally, would hate to accuse someone of of such a heinous crime, without all of the evidence, in case I was wrong …. But that is just me …
And that is why I like to look at everything in detail …

All MOO

This is exactly how I feel. I have never said that BK is innocent, but I have said that I can't jump on the guilty train until I know and understand all the evidence because I personally don't believe what we have so far provides guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The MSM is out of control. Dateline was incredibly irresponsible in their linking BK to his colleague's break-in without any evidence and linking him to underwear-gate when there's no evidence he was even in the area at the time. News Nation was incredibly irresponsible in erroneously linking BK to Dana Smithers. The media has tried and convicted him and they will only publish stories that agree with that conclusion, IMO. All the more reason the gag order should remain.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I hope none of the following will make anyone think I am a BK fan, but I do have some questions after reading the comments here in the last few pages.
AFAIK it isn't up to the defense to prove he didn't do it. It's up to the state to prove he did.
If there's nothing of the victims in the car, then the car doesn't help the prosecution. If there's no clear view of the plates or driver, then the video footage doesn't help the prosecution prove it was his car that was seen there.
If the ID's found in the glove aren't related to the King road house's residents, those are useless.
All there seems to be is the sheath with a single cell of touch DNA on it. And as far as I understand, that would be rather easy to sow doubt about (see story in article below), especially if there are chain of custody issues, which I think this is one thing the families are concerned about and why they may be reserving the right to sue the ISP/Moscow PD etc if they screwed any evidence up by processing it poorly)
His phone pinged in the area regularly... Is that enough to prove he killed them?
What I am getting at is, unless the prosecution has some huge bombshell we don't know about, it seems to me they actually don't have much that clearly shows he killed those 4 people. A lot of stuff that kinda hints that maybe he could have done it (because who wears latex gloves in their home yadda yadda), but nothing that unequivocally shows he did it.
I hope this all doesn't come across as a defense of BK. I just wish there was something really solid.
And if I am wrong on some of these facts please let me know!
Article on touch DNA :

Framed for Murder by His Own DNA

We leave traces of our genetic material everywhere, even on things we’ve never touched. That got Lukis Anderson charged with a brutal crime he didn’t commit.

www.themarshallproject.org

No, you are correct. This is my problem too. The PCA was enough for arrest, but IMO, it's not enough for conviction. We have no idea what the prosecution has or what the defense has. All we can do is wait and hope that justice is served and the right person is convicted for this heinous crime.

 

[Balthazar]

Dana Smithers’ sister breaks silence on Bryan Kohberger’s ‘connection’ to PA cold case

Dana Smithers’ sister, Stacey Anne Smithers, said it is clear that Kohberger was not tied to her sister’s death.

nypost.com

"She clarified this week, however, that there was evidence the Pennsylvania native, who was pursuing a doctorate in criminology at Washington State University, was not in the region at the time of her sister’s disappearance."

If BK was not in the region on May 28, 2022, where was he? Graduation at DeSales was May 21, 2022. Was he visiting WSU or vacationing with family or friends?

And more importantly, why was this examined by a GJ?

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662413587443245056

https://twitter.com/idahostatesman

 

[LoveyluvsThurston]

It has crossed my mind more than once that the missing shower curtain would have been good for this.

Never thought of this. I’ve seen discussion before that he perhaps used everything from garbage bags to visqueen to 6 mil to cover everything (pedals, consoles, vents - well pretty much everything if you know that the tiniest material can contain DNA). But maybe I’m giving too much credit.
For sure there were already driving issues (pulled over a lot in a short amount of time) and maybe the reported circling and awkward maneuvering was caused by everything being covered and him not wanting to tear it.
One question I have is I thought that even if you bleach blood, it still shows up in luminol. But now I think I answered my own question just now. Does bleach degrade DNA so that it’s not viable?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Dana Smithers’ sister breaks silence on Bryan Kohberger’s ‘connection’ to PA cold case

Dana Smithers’ sister, Stacey Anne Smithers, said it is clear that Kohberger was not tied to her sister’s death.

nypost.com

"She clarified this week, however, that there was evidence the Pennsylvania native, who was pursuing a doctorate in criminology at Washington State University, was not in the region at the time of her sister’s disappearance."

If BK was not in the region on May 28, 2022, where was he? Graduation at DeSales was May 21, 2022. Was he visiting WSU or vacationing with family or friends?

And more importantly, why was this examined by a GJ?

He could have literally been anywhere in the world. He just graduated from college. It's entirely possible his parents took him on a celebratory vacation.

Someone posted an article a few pages ago about social media sleuthers asking local LE to look into it. My guess is LE was investigating anyway due to the physical proximity of BK's parents' home and the victim's last known whereabouts.

We have no idea that the GJ was investigating this. The GJ's involvement could have been for a different case/reason entirely. And not for nothing, but now that one media source has been fully debunked (BK's supposed connection to DS), I have a hard time believing the other source (or maybe even same source, different media outlet?) that claimed there was a GJ or that the parents were subpoenaed. We have no idea if any of that is true, IMO.

MOO

 

[TL4S]

I remember that theory you had from way back. Although we might never ever see it proven, I think it's a really good one with a starting premise that the alleged killer was big on planning. At that time I remember I was testing out a theory that he intruded twice that night - one between 3 and 3.10am (on foot from a park off camera range) and a second at 4.04am.. After that proved impossible for a zillion reasons (timing impossible and contradicted by PCA) and I let it go, I often thought about your idea and it is one of my top possibilies now when I theorise. My other one is that he went somewhere remote east of Moscow for 15 -20 mins or so to get psychologically prepped (between c 3ish and & 3.25) and at that time also prepped his car interior and himself (gloves, mask, weopen :-(). Then he drove to to King Road via Indian Hills and Styner. This is where I conjecture his plan was frustrated and he was forced to do x 3 passes owing to lights still being on when he really expected or planned for them being out or in whatever state of low lighting that made him comfortable or indicated to him his target/s were in their beds/rooms. MOO

ETA: I forgot to mention, your theory re him thinking of ways to take advantage of the fact his elantra sported only one plate also makes perfect sense to me. He might have felt safer driving directly on Queen road at night believing any cameras would not be able to capture his plate number. Which has probably turned out to be correct. Speculation.MOO

You might be right about him driving east and waiting somewhere for a bit, psychologically and physically prepping. I don't want to give BK too much credit in his intelligence, but honestly, I do see him as someone very mindful in his processing.

In my theory, he knows his car/license plate is going to be captured on camera in Pullman, driving through Moscow via the main hwy, and finally seen leaving Moscow still heading east. He didn't turn off his phone until he was driving because he's fine with the digital evidence of him driving through at that time; it's part of his alibi. Remember, LE was specifically looking for video surveillance in a couple of small towns east of Moscow. I think that's because that's where his car was seen heading nearly an hour before the crimes.

But BK had already planned a different route to turn around and take back to Moscow, unseen, with minimal cameras. That might be where your idea comes into play and he parks for a while, prepping. When he's captured going east on Indian Hills and Styner, it's only the front/side of his car, no license plate visible. And I totally agree with you that when he got to the King Rd house, lights were on and he had to make several passes before things went dark. After all, he was wearing all black...he planned to go in under cover of darkness. JMO.

After the murders, he drives south out of town, does whatever he does, and then turns his phone on when heading north back to Pullman. IMO, this is him thinking he's cinching his alibi by making it look like he'd driven east out of Moscow an hour before the murders, went somewhere south and a while after the murders was just coming home from wherever he'd been to the south. All my own crazy speculation, of course.

 

[Boxer]

Well, either it means something or it doesn't. But IMO, if that's the case, then lack of blood evidence would never, ever clear any suspect because everyone can clean up after a murder. How do you prove a negative? Take BK out of it and imagine a hypothetical scenario in which LE has the wrong guy. The guy has no blood on him, no blood in his apartment, no blood in his car, no nothing. The jury should absolutely 100% have some doubt in that case. 100%. Now we can argue the other evidence is strong enough to get a conviction and that's fine. But we can't just say that no blood doesn't mean anything, IMO. It absolutely should mean something. How much will depend on the strength of the rest of the evidence.

Even a lot of posters here were saying in earlier threads there's no way there's no evidence in the car when you consider the brake petals and areas he wouldn't have been able to reach without totally disassembling the car. If it turns out there is no blood or evidence even in those areas and no indication that he did disassemble the car, then that's something, IMO.

MOO.

Anywhere no evidence was found can be brought up, but how likely it would be to find evidence there would matter.
In the case of the car MOO it would be very unlikely six weeks later.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

IMO "totality of the evidence" gets thrown around a lot. Yes, it is important; it's how we evaluate the overall set of circumstances to draw a conclusion. But the individual pieces that comprise the totality need to be compelling and (in most cases) numerous. For example, the totality of two pieces isn't really going to get us to BARD after the defense chips away at each separate piece of evidence (which is what they will do). General thinking seems to be that the prosecution has so much evidence based on the volume of evidence provided to the defense during discovery, but volume alone means nothing (example: Barry Morphew.)

Right now, as @SLouTh and @BeginnerSleuther and @NCWatcher have laid out for us this a.m., the totality of the evidence that we know about at this time isn't overwhelming, and we know that there are mitigating factors that the defense will introduce.

Without blood evidence, that's one less piece to add to the sum total.

Without GPS nailing him at the scene as opposed to cell tower evidence that places him somewhere around Moscow, that's an easily argued piece for the defense. One of the examples in the PCA put him 1.6 miles from the house at 11 pm. I mean, that's a stretch IMO - with the intention of making the evidence more compelling than it actually would be if all of the facts were included (Moscow is 6ish square miles, the university, banking and shopping were located at that busy and brightly lit intersection, etc.)

Without BK's DNA in the house or at least some kind of physical evidence placing him there other than touch DNA, there's less to add to that totality pile. The defense can put up a solid argument against touch DNA, if it's allowed as evidence at all. They can argue chain of custody.

White Elantra with no license plate or photo of BK in it at the scene - a little less compelling.

Potentially different testimony from BF and DM, a little more damage... and on it goes.

And after all that, IMO the totality of evidence at this point in time and based on what we know in this case doesn't make BARD. IMO the prosecution has some work to do.

To be clear, I'm not arguing for or against BK. I just don't know enough. I think the media and others have a real vested interest in making the pieces fit to accuse him - and that's the only story line we're getting. I think there's tunnel vision for a lot of parties. I do think he's awkward, but from the videos I've seen of him, he doesn't seem to be Satan Incarnate either - on video, superficially speaking.

I don't think that the state has begun to meet BARD in my mind, and that's before the defense rolls up with their evidence and arguments. So totality of evidence - yes - BUT the individual pieces that comprise the totality need to be compelling and (in most cases) numerous, and so far, that's not where I see this case.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Anywhere no evidence was found can be brought up, but how likely it would be to find evidence there would matter.
In the case of the car MOO it would be very unlikely six weeks later.

This is not how our legal system is set up, thankfully. If it were the case, then innocent people could be convicted all the time since many things could be accounted for by time. It's not up to the defense to prove there was never any blood there (you can't prove a negative). It's up to the prosecution to prove there WAS blood there and it was cleaned up. If there's no evidence of blood there (cleaned up or not), then they can't.

 

[10ofRods]

Bleach is pretty effective at breaking up DNA and making it very hard to analyze, perhaps even impossible. However, using it on floor mats and auto upholstery is going to leave obvious signs. Unless Kohberger literally soaked the entire interior of his car in it (by which I mean squirting into every nook and cranny), he could not be sure that victim DNA was gone.

I have alluded to some of it in my last post ….

I truely believe there would have been arterial bleeding at the scene ….even venous bleeding can be very difficult to stop …. And is very messy…

Panic when leaving the scene …. Car speeding off …. If a murderer was going to premeditate a murder wouldn’t one try and leave the scene calmly???? Like a “Sunday afternoon drive” so as not to cause suspicion of his car being seen, or captured on CCTV speeding off….???
Panic could have caused unexpected contamination in the car ….

In order to remove all trace of blood from the car, he would have had to literally pull it apart, to clean every crevice etc …. Pull seats out pull door panels out etc … and if he did do that I hope they have witnesses…

Personally I don’t think Police would withhold budget, on a quadruple murder of 4 people in their prime, for the lab to pull that car completely apart and test any suspicious substance …. But JMO

Personally, I find it disgusting that officials are saying that the cost of the investigation is at the expense of Moscow infrastructure …

All IMO

Thank you for increasing my optimism. I believe the murderer had blankets/comforters in between himself and the victims and that this was pre-planned. So surely there was blood (and probably all over the nearby floor.

The reason I'm a little skeptical about the murderer encountering lots of blood...is that latent footprint that couldn't even be picked up by luminol, but required amplication by Amido black. That footprint is not very far from Xana's room - maybe 20 steps at most. That means there was very little blood on the bottom of the killer's shoe. I'm sure they have more footprints, obviously, but may have needed luminol for most of them. Meaning, not a lot of blood on the feet.

I also believe it's likely the murderer shed their outer clothing before entering the car, and likely had a plastic bag of some kind already outside the car, as I do believe that this murderer enjoyed planning what he thought was a perfect crime. Most premeditated murderers think they are planning the perfect crime. IMO.

So I don't think he had lots of victim blood on him (and got bloody during his fight to kill Xana, which upset him and was not calculated into his plan very well). So if blood is found in the car, I think it will be Xana's. I also think he wore gloves and even a mask (to avoid leaving his own DNA at the scene, he screwed up with the sheath).

Sometimes I wonder if the neighbor lady got the time wrong, when she said she saw the 1122 door open at around 8:30 am. Could it have been 9:30ish?

The search warrant for the car indicates they pretty much pulled it apart, but whether there would be blood inside the door compartments or the seat belt mechanism or the ignition (etc) is completely dependent on whether the murderer had victim blood on his person. We know he had some on his feet (but he might have thought of that too). There are other things that can break down DNA besides bleach; his internet searches may be key in this case. Of course, if he was smart, he didn't use Google (but the fact that he pulls off the road not long after leaving 1122 and turns his phone back on - presumably to check a map app, doesn't bode well for him thinking all the forensic digital stuff through).

Surely he had some blood on him, and your post made me feel more optimistic about the forensic findings. I'm just a worry wart.

IMO.

 

[Sundog]

Dana Smithers’ sister breaks silence on Bryan Kohberger’s ‘connection’ to PA cold case

Dana Smithers’ sister, Stacey Anne Smithers, said it is clear that Kohberger was not tied to her sister’s death.

nypost.com

If BK was not in the region on May 28, 2022, where was he? Graduation at DeSales was May 21, 2022. Was he visiting WSU or vacationing with family or friends?

And more importantly, why was this examined by a GJ?

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Someone posted up thread that May 28, 2022 was the Saturday of Memorial weekend, so it's possible that his family had something planned and he was with them and so they are able to provide him with an alibi, IF that is why the parents testified before the grand jury in PA this week. But we don't know for sure if this is the issue they were there to discuss with the grand jury, it is just speculation because MSM reported that BK has a solid/tight alibi for where he was on May 28th. So people assume that the parents were testifying before the grand jury in order to confirm BK's alibi, but that is just speculation.

 

[Sundog]

Not that poster, but it is true. I think there are new laws now to prevent it. But definitely, this used to happen, per MSM.

Lessons for Penn State: Cover-Ups Cost Money, Student Lives

The Clery Act came too late for Lehigh's Jeanne Clery and failed to protect Eastern Michigan's Laura Dickinson.

abcnews.go.com

Yes, with the Cleary Act now, universities do annual reporting to the U.S. Department of Education, and they have to post the annual report in a visible and easy to find place on their website. Access and transparency are paramount.

Although there may have been instances of this in the past where a few universities were not transparent about what happened on their campuses, it is certanly not a pervasive problem, especially in relation to serious crimes.

There are still issues around fraternities with hazing, and athletic violations (which are monitored by NCAA), and Title IX changes have radically changed accountabiity in that area. But broad statements that universities are known to cover up crimes is not substantiated, IMO and experience.

 

[10ofRods]

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I went to a well known R1 university and while they did not actually "cover up" murders, they were certainly (in those days) very quiet about them and surely did not investigate the one that occurred in my sophomore year (it was terrifying). We knew the details, but they did not do a thorough investigation of all relevant employees that could have had access to the building where the murder occurred. People ought to have been questioned and polygraphed. A possible suspect (who turned out not to be the killer) was never interviewed by campus police. Another possible suspect (who did turn out to be the murderer, some 30 years later) was never properly interviewed by campus police. This was before the invention of security cameras as we know them today and before DNA analysis was a thing.

Nevertheless, they (University-employed campus police) should have looked hard at the alibis of these two suspects. They didn't even interview the murderer's boss (someone I was acquainted with at the time). They didn't interview this person's co-workers. I'm not sure they even considered him a real suspect.

The murders that happened the week of my freshman orientation were reported in such a way that it was hard to see that the two murders were related - or even exactly where they occurred. There were none of those campus memorials that we see today. "Edge of campus" was used in an ambiguous way in university releases. The student newspaper had an absolutely awesome editor, though, so there were eventually a few more details - but no warnings to us at any point during orientation. There were four campus murders in the late summer/fall of that year. Three of them were traced to one person (many years later, via DNA under victim fingernails and similarities in place/murder details). All were on University property, but the "edge of campus" term was used to mean "not right where all the classroom buildings were." It was highly ambiguous.

Ultimately, four of the five murders were linked to university employees.

Today, this university is *much* more forthcoming in its PR about campus murders as well as suicides. Not all colleges and universities are so open; although all are required (if federally accredited) to put crime statistics within a couple of clicks of their homepages. These stats can be sorely lacking in detail. I just looked up the knife incident on my own campus - the charge is listed as disturbing the peace/obstructing police and EMT. Guy was arrested, though. Since he would have been transferred to a county facility, there's no information about the actual eventual charges. So...universities and colleges have a way to go in terms of letting young adults know the details of campus safety. But I don't think there's any attempt to actually "cover up" things (your opinion may vary; I'm sitting here pondering the knife event and how it was handled).

IMO.

 

[jepop]

You might be right about him driving east and waiting somewhere for a bit, psychologically and physically prepping. I don't want to give BK too much credit in his intelligence, but honestly, I do see him as someone very mindful in his processing.

In my theory, he knows his car/license plate is going to be captured on camera in Pullman, driving through Moscow via the main hwy, and finally seen leaving Moscow still heading east. He didn't turn off his phone until he was driving because he's fine with the digital evidence of him driving through at that time; it's part of his alibi. Remember, LE was specifically looking for video surveillance in a couple of small towns east of Moscow. I think that's because that's where his car was seen heading nearly an hour before the crimes.

But BK had already planned a different route to turn around and take back to Moscow, unseen, with minimal cameras. That might be where your idea comes into play and he parks for a while, prepping. When he's captured going east on Indian Hills and Styner, it's only the front/side of his car, no license plate visible. And I totally agree with you that when he got to the King Rd house, lights were on and he had to make several passes before things went dark. After all, he was wearing all black...he planned to go in under cover of darkness. JMO.

After the murders, he drives south out of town, does whatever he does, and then turns his phone on when heading north back to Pullman. IMO, this is him thinking he's cinching his alibi by making it look like he'd driven east out of Moscow an hour before the murders, went somewhere south and a while after the murders was just coming home from wherever he'd been to the south. All my own crazy speculation, of course.

It's an interesting and IMO feasible theory that could explain alleged killer's movements. And I agree with you in speculating that he was capable of this level of planning and fore-thought. And prepping time before (and de-prepping after- there is 15 mins unaccounted for between 4.20am and 4.48am when he reconnects with the network. So stops somewhere south or east of Moscow) still fits in with this. MOO

The only thing that appears incongruent is in the sentence I bolded above. He actually reconnects with the network when approx 15 minutes south of Moscow, presumably from what can be gathered from PCA, on Highway 95 near Blaine. He continues south to near Genesee before turning west towards Union town. It's only here that he begins heading North on Highway 195 back towards Pullman. But might still stand up if he was only calculating on camera captures to establish/suggest alibi. Certainly, he is not captured on camera again until 1300 Johnson Road Pullman. But I guess even with turning phone on near Blaine he may still have thought that was far enough south of Moscow to demonstrate a feasible "I was somewhere else" alibi if it ever came to LE checking both cameras and his phone's location pings. Or perhaps he never anticipated it getting as far as LE getting a warrant for his phone ping data. Though IDK again now...where was he supposed to be south of Moscow until 4.50am (almost two hours) so that he would then be driving south near Blaine on Highway 95? After being captured by cameras heading east out of Moscow at about 3 am? I've given up my mapping these days! ... MOO

 

[TL4S]

It's an interesting and IMO feasible theory that could explain alleged killer's movements. And I agree with you in speculating that he was capable of this level of planning and fore-thought. And prepping time before (and de-prepping after- there is 15 mins unaccounted for between 4.20am and 4.48am when he reconnects with the network. So stops somewhere south or east of Moscow) still fits in with this. MOO

The only thing that appears incongruent is in the sentence I bolded above. He actually reconnects with the network when approx 15 minutes south of Moscow, presumably from what can be gathered from PCA, on Highway 95 near Blaine. He continues south to near Genesee before turning west towards Union town. It's only here that he begins heading North on Highway 195 back towards Pullman. But might still stand up if he was only calculating on camera captures to establish/suggest alibi. Certainly, he is not captured on camera again until 1300 Johnson Road Pullman. But I guess even with turning phone on near Blaine he may still have thought that was far enough south of Moscow to demonstrate a feasible "I was somewhere else" alibi if it ever came to LE checking both cameras and his phone's location pings. Or perhaps he never anticipated it getting as far as LE getting a warrant for his phone ping data. Though IDK again now...where was he supposed to be south of Moscow until 4.50am (almost two hours) so that he would then be driving south near Blaine on Highway 95? After being captured by cameras heading east out of Moscow at about 3 am? I've given up my mapping these days! ... MOO

You're right. It's been awhile since I looked at the maps or PCA. I think he turned his phone on in an area that is picked up on a tower near Blaine. Iirc, there was a road that cut east/west across there. The real key to this theory really is where he would say he was, and what he was doing, during that time, because there's not much in that general vicinity.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

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[U.N. Known]

RE: BK using bleach in his car and using a shower curtain to cover his car seats.

I rarely use chlorinated bleach on fabric because the bleach discolors it. I believe BK's Elantra has fabric seats. If he had used bleach to clean visible blood from his seats, carpet, or doors, wouldn't that be rather obvious?

As for the shower curtain: it is certainly possible that BK had a plastic shower curtain that he removed to use as a seat protector. However, IMO, it is not credible that he was using a shower curtain until November 12/13, removed it to protect his car from possible evidence, but did not replace the curtain at any point during the threeish weeks he was in the apartment afterwards (i.e., If he was using a shower curtain before the murders, it does not make sense that he just stopped using one after the murders).

Perhaps he doesn't use a curtain or perhaps the one he had needed to be replaced, so he tossed it before heading to PA