4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[SpiderFalcon]

Looking forward to some rulings soon.

Yes, me too. What's hanging out there? The IGG decision, the camera decision, and what else?

 

[Chloegirl]

I'm glad you said it first because I've been thinking this whole time, especially since he's been in suits with his hair all nice, that he's a nice looking fellow. (and wondering what is wrong with me?) Not drop dead gorgeous or anything, but not some disgusting nasty slob. His personality and demeanor (and his creepy eyes) obviously turn people off.

I don't think it is entirely appropriate to comment on his looks related to the case exactly, but I see him differently. He is straight up creepy looking, missing a strong chin with an unusual jawline, oversized brow/forehead and rather lurchy to my eye. He also walks very unusually, a tad like his father even the awkward hands. Not unattractive features individually but the cosmetic math does not add up easily. So, I strongly disagree. JMOO

He is also tense and argumentative with an agenda to be heard in videos and seems to march to his own beat, to say the very least.

 

[BeachSky]

In the correct video version of the 9/13 hearing above, we do see AT seated next to BK.

At :25, I see BK entering the courtroom, walking past AT without acknowledgment, both seemingly avoiding eye contact with one another. When AT leans in to half-smile at (or past) him, he instead looks to the right.

Hearing in Bryan Kohberger Murder Trial Over Cameras in Court

Both the prosecution and defense attorneys have said they are concerned about pre-trial publicity in the high-profile murder trial.

www.courttv.com

Oh he’s definitely avoiding ( ghosting) her
What the? Just shows what he is all about.

Sicko. JMO

 

[BeachSky]

Well so far nothing new? We knew KG fought back, according to her dad. Didn’t know who was on which side of the bed but I’m not sure that matters. I’m ready for this trial to get started, but I think it’s going to be awhile.

And painful.
Jury, family … et all the evidence photos.

JMO

 

[kittythehare]

In the correct video version of the 9/13 hearing above, we do see AT seated next to BK.

At :25, I see BK entering the courtroom, walking past AT without acknowledgment, both seemingly avoiding eye contact with one another. When AT leans in to half-smile at (or past) him, he instead looks to the right.

Hearing in Bryan Kohberger Murder Trial Over Cameras in Court

Both the prosecution and defense attorneys have said they are concerned about pre-trial publicity in the high-profile murder trial.

www.courttv.com

I want to see the inside of his mind so bad having witnessed this.
It's like the thing you do when you run into an ex inconveniently..

 

[kittythehare]

Oh he’s definitely avoiding ( ghosting) her
What the? Just shows what he is all about.

Sicko. JMO

Well either there's a pair of 'em in it or she has become afraid of him..
she could have done that better too, used her body to block him from blocking her..
she did not.
Did she not anticipate the vibe or is she just accepting of the fact that he's annoyed with her for some reason.
He was like a puppy dog in earlier meetings, shy little smile, but always respectful..

now here's me creatin' my own wee conspiracy, while I'm waiting..

 

[acutename]

Oh, good catch. So they pulled in another chair for the other attorney?

Wonder what's going on. Is someone unhappy with their defense?

I do wonder how many more motions will come up (request for change of venue, request for change of judge, request for new attorneys, etc). And I guess that's all to set up future appeals.

Then there will be the battles over who is allowed as a witness and what the evidence will be. I understand SG's frustration.

I wonder if BK wants to take the stand, as well. He may think he's very convincing.

IMO.

my first thought was that this new atty has some special knowledge about first amendment/cameras in court rooms issues. does anyone in or close to ID know?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

At :25, I see BK entering the courtroom, walking past AT without acknowledgment, both seemingly avoiding eye contact with one another. When AT leans in to half-smile at (or past) him, he instead looks to the right.

Oh he’s definitely avoiding ( ghosting) her

AT enters the courtroom from the private hallway, which is secure and a holding area for defendants, especially in high-profile cases. Her client enters through the same door, just moments later, most likely having just discussed the hearing with AT. The male attorney is already seated and would have entered the courtroom from the public hallway. BK probably is seeing and acknowledging him for the first time that morning.
I'm hoping this trial, if there is one, is televised but I'm not looking forward to the media trying to put a spin on every facial expression/mannerism shown by BK and his attorneys.

 

[kittythehare]

I think it'sx likely the judge will rule the cameras out.
I agree with his decision , if that is what it will be because the media cannot be trusted to spin what they see.
Even for us here, trying to establish fact from fiction on things reported.
We know we don't know but it is so very frustrating.
He dislikes spin and he's seen enough of it.
They have not contributed to his trust in them.
It is his job to protect the court.

I disagree with BK rationale and they're not winning votes and friends in their efforts to swaddle their baby.

ETA
before listening to him I thought it should be filmed, simply in the interest of devastated communities being given the opportunity of finding catharsis, if not healing from witnessing the process.

Not for the media.
For the public.
Now I think social media which has degraded hugely in the past few years, will turn it ugly in a way that will cause more pain.
Maybe that is really what he is contemplating.
He does understand the situation and he has put his own time and effort into understanding it and he's bullseye accurate about it.
He's tellin' it like it is.

May the Force be with him

 

[Jurisprudence]

I think it'sx likely the judge will rule the cameras out.
I agree with his decision , if that is what it will be because the media cannot be trusted to spin what they see.
Even for us here, trying to establish fact from fiction on things reported.
We know we don't know but it is so very frustrating.
He dislikes spin and he's seen enough of it.
They have not contributed to his trust in them.
It is his job to protect the court.

I disagree with BK rationale and they're not winning votes and friends in their efforts to swaddle their baby.

ETA
before listening to him I thought it should be filmed, simply in the interest of devastated communities being given the opportunity of finding catharsis, if not healing from witnessing the process.

Not for the media.
For the public.
Now I think social media which has degraded hugely in the past few years, will turn it ugly in a way that will cause more pain.
Maybe that is really what he is contemplating.
He does understand the situation and he has put his own time and effort into understanding it and he's bullseye accurate about it.
He's tellin' it like it is.

May the Force be with him

Cameras don't lie. It's when you take the cameras out and have to depend on others interpretation of what occurred that you run into problems.

jmo

 

[schooling]

New article as of today. Sounds like this will all be part of the new 48 Hours episode.


Father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four murdered University of Idaho students, says there is evidence his daughter fought back

Steve Goncalves says, according to the coroner, the first victim was Mogen. Both Mogen and Goncalves were sleeping in the same bed in a room on the third floor of the house. After killing Mogen, the assailant then went on to kill Kaylee, Steve Goncalves said.

"There's evidence to show that she awakened and tried to get out of that situation," says Goncalves, "she was assaulted and stabbed."

Kristi Goncalves explains her daughter had several fatal wounds and that the way the bedroom was set up, made it difficult to escape. "The bed was up against the wall. The headboard was touching the wall and the left side of the bed was touching the wall. And we believe that Maddie was on the outside and Kaylee was on the inside," she says. "The way the bed was set up … she was trapped." Kristi Goncalves believes the assailant was not expecting to find the two best friends together in the same bed. " I do think that his plan went awry. I do think that, you know, he intended to kill one and killed four."
..............

The Goncalves' also think they may have found a possible connection, through Instagram, between Bryan Kohberger, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. They believe they found Kohberger's Instagram account and he had been following Kaylee's and Maddie's Instagrams. "From our investigation of the account, it appeared to be the real Bryan Kohberger account," says Kristi Goncalves.

I’ve been saying this wall thing for awhile. Pictures inside of the rooms have shown beds in both of the victims rooms against the wall. Hence the purported blood running down the floor and into the gaps in Xanas wall out onto the foundation.

BK wouldn’t even have needed a light source on in the room.

He could have pinned them in with his knees and just swung away.

F’ing horrifying.

 

[schooling]

Well so far nothing new? We knew KG fought back, according to her dad. Didn’t know who was on which side of the bed but I’m not sure that matters. I’m ready for this trial to get started, but I think it’s going to be awhile.

I don’t think it matters either. As BK likely couldn’t see faces in there anyway. He probably just went with whatever he could feel or barely see (particularly considering his purported VSS).

 

[Cool Cats]

Cameras don't lie. It's when you take the cameras out and have to depend on others interpretation of what occurred that you run into problems.

jmo

Interesting how cameras don't lie but what they show is not the full picture in many instances. And then there is deliberately editing to create a specific narrative.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don’t think it matters either. As BK likely couldn’t see faces in there anyway. He probably just went with whatever he could feel or barely see (particularly considering his purported VSS).

He had a silver flashlight when he was searched so good chance he had a flashlight with him that night. SG said he likely wasn't expecting 2 girls in the bed.

If surprised to find 2 people he could have used his flashlight to see who was who. He pulled back the comforter to get a better look and holding a flashlight and a sheath and a knife he dropped the sheath and the comforter fell over it.

When SG says KG was both attacked and stabbed I think BK was trying to subdue her such as grabbing and pushing. The coroner will be able to tell by the bruising if there is any from that type of force.

2 Cents

 

[girlhasnoname]

Interesting how cameras don't lie but what they show is not the full picture in many instances. And then there is deliberately editing to create a specific narrative.

A live camera feed from the Court can't be edited. It is afterwards that the questionable click bait media and social media dregs get it that it gets edited.

Is there (or could there be) a rule stating no editing or recreation of the camera footage or else?

MOO

 

[IDK]

AT enters the courtroom from the private hallway, which is secure and a holding area for defendants, especially in high-profile cases. Her client enters through the same door, just moments later, most likely having just discussed the hearing with AT. The male attorney is already seated and would have entered the courtroom from the public hallway. BK probably is seeing and acknowledging him for the first time that morning.
I'm hoping this trial, if there is one, is televised but I'm not looking forward to the media trying to put a spin on every facial expression/mannerism shown by BK and his attorneys.

I agree, and it’s not just the media spin that bothers me. Just reading comments on various articles and other places, the public is ghoulish and apparently titillated by analyzing every glance, eye or lip movement. it’s disrespectful of the victims, IMO.
( I’m not talking about professionals who offer their opinions, to be clear) Again, my opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

A live camera feed from the Court can't be edited. It is afterwards that the questionable click bait media and social media dregs get it that it gets edited.

Is there (or could there be) a rule stating no editing or recreation of the camera footage or else?

MOO

There will always be "still shots" of the defendant smiling or laughing, that type of thing, but in court a camera focused on a witness from the time they are sworn in and give their name until they are excused, can't be edited.

When there are no cameras it is the news articles that edit what the witness says which can get taken out of context. 50 pages of court testimony gets distilled into a one page article.

2 Cents

 

[ilovewings]

Cameras don't lie. It's when you take the cameras out and have to depend on others interpretation of what occurred that you run into problems.

jmo

Doesn't it come down to seeing it with your own eyes? whatever media spin there will be, people can see and hear with their own eyes and ears- otherwise we are relying on interpretation of others- I think cameras should be allowed in this case

 

[Balthazar]

I’m pro-cameras as well. Specifically to make certain nothing is taken out of context. In fact, I don’t think that no cameras should be an option for any trial, although not showing certain witnesses on camera would be fine in the case of child witnesses, for example or trials involving organized crime where the witnesses lives or those of the jury may be in danger.

 

[Boxer]

Cameras don't lie. It's when you take the cameras out and have to depend on others interpretation of what occurred that you run into problems.

jmo

Cameras work can be biased though, and through focus and cropping not present the whole situation.
Definitely yes to cameras, but MOO a CSPAN type cam with the single point of view of the whole court minus the jury.