4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Dotta]

Hi guys

I dropped in to check about a trial.
It is October already, and as far as I remember it was to start this month.

Any news????
Thanks!

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Hi guys

I dropped in to check about a trial.
It is October already, and as far as I remember it was to start this month.

Any news????
Thanks!

He waived his right to a speedy trial. No trial date scheduled yet

 

[Trebor5591]

Here in the UK, the London Metropolitan Police have a system called 'Crimint' (Criminal Intelligence Database) on which officers record any interactions or information or reports about people who are considered to be 'suspicious' in any way whatsoever and they don't have to be convicted criminals or even have ever been charged with anything. It could cause a problem if applying for LE roles or any type of government job or responsibility.

Seems that would make it difficult for a criminal to give up crime and "go straight" and get a job, etc., IMO.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Seems that would make it difficult for a criminal to give up crime and "go straight" and get a job, etc., IMO.

I was thinking the same thing. Without guardrails in place a system like that seems very susceptible to abuse.

jmo

 

[schooling]

Having done the work before, even for a short time, he'd know about them. It would be interesting if that showed up on a search.

jmo

<snipped by me>
This is a super good point!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Seems that would make it difficult for a criminal to give up crime and "go straight" and get a job, etc., IMO.

I agree. It also targets people who are not even criminals but the police may have some form of 'suspicions' about. Whole thing is completely spurious IMO and lacks legal foundation and could very easily be classed as harassment and prejudice. According to my research, people are allowed to apply for all information held on them in this London Met 'crimint' system and scrutinise it.

I was once told by a police officer that any person of interest, they are writing down notes on every aspect of you - the sort of clothes you wear, whether you're right or left handed, where you hang out, who you interact with, where you go on holiday etc - they also try to engage in conversation to clean scraps of information to add to the database. This dodgy system could also explain why people get persistently stopped and searched, especially vehicle stops, when they've never done anything wrong because they're constantly tracking your number plate.

 

[Teche]

But they can do it "extra-legally," in other ways. I just listened to an interview with an administrator from that school and the rules for remaining in the Public Protection program (I may have the name of it a little off) are strict. He broke them. She said that this meant he could not return for his junior year at the school, unless he could get into another major. I am part of a system that has a Public Safety/Protection cluster and a Health cluster of majors that seamlessly integrate among the various colleges. The administrator at Kohberger's school said that for both the Public Safety and the Health clusters, the rules were very strict and students, once cut from the program, had no right to return the next year. He was about to be placed in the general population of high school students, with no vocational certificate.

They made a deal with Kohberger and apparently the HVAC program had room in it. He must have wanted a vocational certificate badly (perhaps his parents thought this was a good idea).


So Kohberger may have had no option but HVAC OR starting all over in the general pool. He would have gotten a regular high school diploma, but no vocational/technical certificate.

Perhaps of all the vocational programs, HVAC was the least impacted. I'm not saying that administration didn't nudge him toward a program with no women in it, only that I doubt that was ever said out loud to him or part of the formal decision making. But the one administrator who has spoken out seems to think it was a factor, at least in her own mind (she speaks as if she was part of the decision making process).

At any rate, he then dropped out of HVAC on his own, once again entering a world (mostly online I think) where there were women in his classes. When he was studying psychology and in the psychology club, most of the pictures of events show mostly women. I don't have all the dates and sequences of events, but it appears that the administrator at his former college wasn't exceptionally surprised by the news that he was arrested. Her quotes are in the MSM thread.

IMO.

TL;DR Once barred from the Public Safety program due to misconduct, the usual thing that happened to a sophomore student was that they could not continue onward at all; the Public Safety program had its own admissions process and it was clear to all applicants that if they got kicked out, they had no automatic right to a junior year at this school's cluster of vocational programs; he was given an exception and allowed to enter HVAC, perfectly within the policies of the school and a generous, accomodting move on the part of the school, IMO. School policies stated that both police cadets and student nurses, once kicked out of their rigorous, special admission programs, had no right to return and supplant other students' quest for completion in the junior and senior vocational years. I believe she also mentions that he could have been expelled altogether.

Kohberger Cut From Cop Program Over Female Complaints: School Admin

"A situation occurred where a complaint was made and the teacher reported it to me and said ... an investigation needed to be conducted," Tanya Carmella-Beers says in an interview with The Idaho Massacre.

www.insideedition.com

This is the 1st time I’ve heard that Bryan’s high school senior year was online.

 

[Trebor5591]

Okay, so this program does confirm he was transferred in HVAC but I don't believe he was transferred there because that program "had no women." And I don't hear the interview in the video stating this either.

I heard precisely that. It was his high school guidance counselor who said it at 13:33-43.

 

[ilovewings]

Expert slams Bryan Kohberger's attempt to undermine FBI's DNA evidence

Kohberger's attorneys have sought to question reliability of DNA evidence against him, but experts told DailyMail.com they are clutching at straws.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[maskedwoman]

I finally got a chance to listen to I Am Blank and found it both troubling and instructive. I noticed that lady from the school specifically said there were additional incidents during his time in the HVAC program and then he left the school completely. Of course, there were still females at the school, even if not in the HVAC program. It's possible he was already following young women around and freaking them out. We heard that happened in Pullman. Very disturbing to me that his former high school hired him as a part time security officer. I wonder if he applied with any local Police or Sheriff's Departments after high school. I imagine he would not pass muster in a psych profile for that kind of job.

I suspect most of these women who "ghosted" him were digitally fleeing someone who made them very uncomfortable. And, of course, we only have his say so that things seemed fine and they abruptly ghosted him. They may very well have tried to detach politely and BK wouldn't take the hint. They said earlier in the program that he had a problem with taking social cues. Very chilling. MOOooo

 

[10ofRods]

This is the 1st time I’ve heard that Bryan’s high school senior year was online.

Oh - I believe that he finished high school before beginning the online part. I should have typed another sentence. But he got a regular HS diploma apparently without any vocational certificate.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever read that he graduated high school (I've been assuming). He then goes to community college (not sure about whether it was online) and then goes into DeSales's mostly or entirely online program.

Sorry for the confusion. I guess I was also assuming he graduated high school (surely he did?) if the school hired him as a security guard (although that job was another that didn't last long). It is strange that they would hire him, after that had problems with him.

 

[Ksfarmer8]

Oh - I believe that he finished high school before beginning the online part. I should have typed another sentence. But he got a regular HS diploma apparently without any vocational certificate.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever read that he graduated high school (I've been assuming). He then goes to community college (not sure about whether it was online) and then goes into DeSales's mostly or entirely online program.

Sorry for the confusion. I guess I was also assuming he graduated high school (surely he did?) if the school hired him as a security guard (although that job was another that didn't last long). It is strange that they would hire him, after that had problems with him.

Here is the article from Inside Edition from last Feb I believe

Bryan Kohberger Completed High School Online for Reasons That Remain Unclear: Report

Donna Yozwiak tells the Idaho Statesman that the 28-year-old PhD student transitioned to online learning after spending his sophomore and junior years in a technical program offered by his school district.

www.insideedition.com

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Here is the article from Inside Edition from last Feb I believe

Bryan Kohberger Completed High School Online for Reasons That Remain Unclear: Report

Donna Yozwiak tells the Idaho Statesman that the 28-year-old PhD student transitioned to online learning after spending his sophomore and junior years in a technical program offered by his school district.

www.insideedition.com

For those looking for the original reporting Inside Edition referred to, it’s from Kevin Fixler of the Idaho Statesman dated 2/23/2023, the day before Inside Edition:
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html

“Gress, the high school’s principal until retiring in 2017, told the Statesman he was an administrator who made efforts to get to know students in his two decades in the position and 41 years in the school district. He only vaguely recalled Kohberger, he said, in part because Kohberger was enrolled half the day at the off-campus technical school and wasn’t involved in any after-school activities offered by the district.”

More specifically:
“Kohberger attended the county’s technical program his sophomore and junior years of high school. But he switched for his junior year from law enforcement to focus on heating, ventilation and air conditioning, like his father, who worked in maintenance at the school district for a time. For reasons that are unclear, Kohberger then transitioned out of the technical school his senior year to earn his diploma through the high school’s online program, Yozwiak said.”

MOO, discussion here in previous thread has speculated inpatient rehab and/or other medical reasons might be why all or part of BK’s high school senior year may have been completed online. MOO.

 

[10ofRods]

Here is the article from Inside Edition from last Feb I believe

Bryan Kohberger Completed High School Online for Reasons That Remain Unclear: Report

Donna Yozwiak tells the Idaho Statesman that the 28-year-old PhD student transitioned to online learning after spending his sophomore and junior years in a technical program offered by his school district.

www.insideedition.com

Oh - okay! So, I wasn't misremembering (I'm sleep-deprived these days). Thank you so much!

It sounds like maybe he was in rehab in his senior year? Not uncommon for high school students in rehab to do distance learning. I do wonder what led up to that intervention.

At any rate, his high school course seems to show some troubling episodes and once again, I'm pondering why they hired him as a security guard. Were his parents able to help with that, I wonder?

So many questions still unanswered. IMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

I suspect so. Especially if there were any connected crimes or criminal data held against BK that LE are / were aware of but weren't pushed forwards to an arrest or charge or prosecution. He may not have been aware that this data was held.

Here in the UK, the London Metropolitan Police have a system called 'Crimint' (Criminal Intelligence Database) on which officers record any interactions or information or reports about people who are considered to be 'suspicious' in any way whatsoever and they don't have to be convicted criminals or even have ever been charged with anything. It could cause a problem if applying for LE roles or any type of government job or responsibility.

Same tech apparently used in US too ? Memex Technology Limited - Wikipedia

 

[Chloegirl]

We have little new information so FWIW, this book While Idaho Slept by J. Ruben Appelman, who has lived in Boise for 25 years, comes out tomorrow.

Idaho murder victims' lives detailed in chilling new book

J. Reuben Appelman spent months researching and writing a book about the murders of four University of Idaho students and the hunt for their killer.

www.newsweek.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

We have little new information so FWIW, this book While Idaho Slept by J. Ruben Appelman, who has lived in Boise for 25 years, comes out tomorrow.

Idaho murder victims' lives detailed in chilling new book

J. Reuben Appelman spent months researching and writing a book about the murders of four University of Idaho students and the hunt for their killer.

www.newsweek.com

This is what stuck out to me the most from that article:
<snipped & BBM>

He didn't say whether he believes Kohberger is guilty as charged."It's just not my place to do that," he said, adding: "I feel like everywhere I looked into him, I got the same answers: this was a troubled person from junior high on."

I still think we will find out more information about BK's unacceptable behavior from early on.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

Oh - okay! So, I wasn't misremembering (I'm sleep-deprived these days). Thank you so much!

It sounds like maybe he was in rehab in his senior year? Not uncommon for high school students in rehab to do distance learning. I do wonder what led up to that intervention.

At any rate, his high school course seems to show some troubling episodes and once again, I'm pondering why they hired him as a security guard. Were his parents able to help with that, I wonder?

So many questions still unanswered. IMO.

Bryan Kohberger Treated For Eating Disorder After Massive Weight Loss Years Before University of Idaho Murders

Bryan Kohberger also needed to have a tummy tuck to deal with excess skin after his weight loss, according to two friends.

www.insideedition.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

For those looking for the original reporting Inside Edition referred to, it’s from Kevin Fixler of the Idaho Statesman dated 2/23/2023, the day before Inside Edition:
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html

“Gress, the high school’s principal until retiring in 2017, told the Statesman he was an administrator who made efforts to get to know students in his two decades in the position and 41 years in the school district. He only vaguely recalled Kohberger, he said, in part because Kohberger was enrolled half the day at the off-campus technical school and wasn’t involved in any after-school activities offered by the district.”

More specifically:
“Kohberger attended the county’s technical program his sophomore and junior years of high school. But he switched for his junior year from law enforcement to focus on heating, ventilation and air conditioning, like his father, who worked in maintenance at the school district for a time. For reasons that are unclear, Kohberger then transitioned out of the technical school his senior year to earn his diploma through the high school’s online program, Yozwiak said.”

MOO, discussion here in previous thread has speculated inpatient rehab and/or other medical reasons might be why all or part of BK’s high school senior year may have been completed online. MOO.

In any event, he seems clear that he had a support network of family and educators, seemed to care and/or were committed to his having opportunities despite his limitations. Some of whom must have felt some degree of satisfaction that he completed college courses and was maybe for the first time living away from home (other than “rehab”) and pursuing a PhD. So the system not to blame …

 

[Valen2]

[snipped/BBM]

This is what I recall as well.

The thing that baffles me about this is how none of the incidents seem to have ended up on his disciplinary record, or if they did, how none of his subsequent schools seemed concerned about them.

jmo

This doesn't surprise me at all. As someone who has worked in education, it is exactly what I would expect. If you document it, then, at some point, you may be held liable, have to answer for what you've written, be challenged, etc. So, instead, they just pass the student down the line. The new school doesn't know what happened, and the cycle continues. This happens ALL THE TIME with employees too.