4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[girlhasnoname]

Does anyone have any idea where Newsweek is getting this information?

"Police speculate that the killer may have been startled to find two women in the bed and that Goncalves may have put up a fight, during which the killer was slightly injured, and dropped the knife sheath in the confusion."

The missing Bryan Kohberger evidence that could make or break the trial

The murder weapon has never been found but police are relying on other evidence

www.newsweek.com

ETA: I wonder if this is something they pulled out of their notes from the very beginning of the case when the investigation was in its infancy. Because there's been no indication that his DNA was found anywhere. IIRC I think Taylor made a stink about that. Maybe it's as simple as something like this? If so, it's misleading of them to say this though imo.

The car information makes sense to me as well. BK is going down: DNA huge, Phone data, Surveillance Video and who knows what else the State has uncovered since the arrest. The only thing the AT can do at this point is push paper.

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The police took the video footage to an FBI officer who specializes in identifying vehicles. Not only was the officer an expert on types and makes of vehicles, but he also knew that there were regional differences in the same make of car—sometimes a certain part may be used for cars sold in one part of America but not in another.

The FBI agent initially identified the car as a Hyundai Elantra made between 2011 and 2014, but, after reviewing the footage over and over looking for small clues, he expanded his range from 2011 to 2016.

MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

I never thought those back to back stops in 10 minutes were coincidental:

<snipped & BBM from quoted article>

In an incident that is still clouded in mystery, a traffic policeman stopped Kohberger's car and spoke to him briefly. The officer was wearing a body cam and Officer Payne was quickly able to review the video footage and establish that Kohberger had bushy eyebrows. It was important for police to see what he looked like in real life, and not simply rely on a driver's license photo. We still don't know if this was a genuine police stop or, given the speed with which the body cam footage was recovered, a police ploy to get a closer look at Kohberger.

This might also be the 10/14 one where he was pulled over for being in the intersection. Their (Newsweek's) wording would be off though since it was a female office and since it wasn't "clouded in mystery" but seemed more like busting the butt of a driver with out-of-state plates.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Does anyone have any idea where Newsweek is getting this information?

"Police speculate that the killer may have been startled to find two women in the bed and that Goncalves may have put up a fight, during which the killer was slightly injured, and dropped the knife sheath in the confusion."

The missing Bryan Kohberger evidence that could make or break the trial

The murder weapon has never been found but police are relying on other evidence

www.newsweek.com

ETA: I wonder if this is something they pulled out of their notes from the very beginning of the case when the investigation was in its infancy. Because there's been no indication that his DNA was found anywhere. IIRC I think Taylor made a stink about that. Maybe it's as simple as something like this? If so, it's misleading of them to say this though imo.

Kaylee's father said early on that Kaylee had put up a fight? IDK

BK's DNA was found on the knife sheath.

MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

Kaylee's father said early on that Kaylee had put up a fight? IDK

BK's DNA was found on the knife sheath.

MOO

That's what I recall too (Mabutt said it wo naming names, SG later named Kaylee). The DNA on the sheath we knew. If he was injured though there should be other DNA of his at the scene too. We hadn't heard this which is why I was wondering if he maybe wore fish (cut-resistant) gloves. So, this Newsweek article was confusing because it's dated today - almost a year later, making reference to him possibly injuring himself. The more I think about it the more I think they probably recycled old notes when writing this up.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

This might also be the 10/14 one where he was pulled over for being in the intersection. Their (Newsweek's) wording would be off though since it was a female office and since it wasn't "clouded in mystery" but seemed more like busting the butt of a driver with out-of-state plates.

jmo

Yes, I think it's the Indiana stops for the same reason:

Quote:
We still don't know if this was a genuine police stop or, given the speed with which the body cam footage was recovered, a police ploy to get a closer look at Kohberger.

 

[schooling]

Does anyone have any idea where Newsweek is getting this information?

"Police speculate that the killer may have been startled to find two women in the bed and that Goncalves may have put up a fight, during which the killer was slightly injured, and dropped the knife sheath in the confusion."

The missing Bryan Kohberger evidence that could make or break the trial

The murder weapon has never been found but police are relying on other evidence

www.newsweek.com

ETA: I wonder if this is something they pulled out of their notes from the very beginning of the case when the investigation was in its infancy. Because there's been no indication that his DNA was found anywhere. IIRC I think Taylor made a stink about that. Maybe it's as simple as something like this? If so, it's misleading of them to say this though imo.

That article said a whole lot of nothing.

It would stand to reason that Kohlberger went to the top floor with no plans of awakening the people on the main floor with loud noises. Not anticipating any sort of fight. So him being surprised when he got up there doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.

I’ve always suspected he went in for Maddie. Planned on quietly sneaking in and out. Kayleigh being there and fighting to get off that bed started a chain reaction (fighting noises alerting everyone downstairs) and he had to fight his way out via Kayleigh and the other 2 subsequent victims.

If I recall correctly Kayleigh’s Dad kind of implied that Maddie may have been killed in her sleep.

 

[Jurisprudence]

That article said a whole lot of nothing.

It would stand to reason that Kohlberger went to the top floor with no plans of awakening the people on the main floor with loud noises. Not anticipating any sort of fight. So him being surprised when he got up there doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.

I’ve always suspected he went in for Maddie. Planned on quietly sneaking in and out. Kayleigh being there and fighting to get off that bed started a chain reaction (fighting noises alerting everyone downstairs) and he had to fight his way out via Kayleigh and the other 2 subsequent victims.

If I recall correctly Kayleigh’s Dad kind of implied that Maddie may have been killed in her sleep.

Well, it actually did say something new. It was the reason for the post. But I don't think that quote is accurate.

jmo

 

[Boxer]

We know from this still redacted filing that the GJ proceeding lasted 3 days and contained a number of exhibits by the state. Once the hearing is held hopefully those exhibits will be unsealed (as stated here) and we’ll get to see some evidence but sealing might be extended considering they haven’t selected a jury yet.

Her reasons for filing the motion to dismiss are sealed. So, we don’t know what they are except that she’s claimed they raise 24 issues.

I *think* (this is a total guess) her prosecutorial misconduct claims surround the 3 unknown male DNA samples found (2 inside, 1 outside on that glove).

If it turns out that the state did not disclose to the GJ that there were 3 unknown samples, this is likely her misconduct claim and the reason she hopes the indictment will be set aside. If they did not present this evidence, hopefully this is found to be harmless error. There was probably countless DNA in and around that house – including DNA from past tenants.

Even though the documents were filed under seal, we were still able to hear some of the arguments – so this is how we know they have been bickering about this in court for some time with the judge well aware of it.

This passage from the attached article sums it up pretty good:

Anne Taylor, Kohberger's lawyer, specifically pointed to three unidentified male DNA samples taken from the murder scene that the defense has not received. Prosecutor Bill Thompson countered, arguing that the defense already possesses everything accessible to the state.

Thompson stated, "All I'm hearing is speculation that they wish there was something there. We can't respond to something that doesn't exist."

Thompson concluded that the three samples in question were not uploaded to a Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) database due to ineligibility. He claimed that defense attorney Anne Taylor was informed of this by the lab.

All jmo

Bryan Kohberger's defense, state quarrel over DNA evidence

The judge stated that he saw no failure to disclose evidence on the part of the prosecution and the trial will go forward in October.

www.krem.com

The criteria DNA to run DNA is clear. It has to be relevant to the crime scene.
They had DNA on the sheath of a murder weapon. Obviously that met the criteria for relevant DNA.

MOO the others did not, a glove outside minus any other connection would not, nor DNA on a cupboard or desk or even on the mattress.

 

[Boxer]

BK

This might also be the 10/14 one where he was pulled over for being in the intersection. Their (Newsweek's) wording would be off though since it was a female office and since it wasn't "clouded in mystery" but seemed more like busting the butt of a driver with out-of-state plates.

jmo

MOO sheriff's rarely if ever make traffic stops on highways or interstates, it's not their jurisdiction it is the state police or state patrols territory.

 

[10ofRods]

Does anyone have any idea where Newsweek is getting this information?

"Police speculate that the killer may have been startled to find two women in the bed and that Goncalves may have put up a fight, during which the killer was slightly injured, and dropped the knife sheath in the confusion."

The missing Bryan Kohberger evidence that could make or break the trial

The murder weapon has never been found but police are relying on other evidence

www.newsweek.com

ETA: I wonder if this is something they pulled out of their notes from the very beginning of the case when the investigation was in its infancy. Because there's been no indication that his DNA was found anywhere. IIRC I think Taylor made a stink about that. Maybe it's as simple as something like this? If so, it's misleading of them to say this though imo.

Unless someone violated the gag order, I can't imagine who revealed this.

Also, whoever revealed it made several leaps of logic and also empirical evidence. "Police" is a collective noun, nuff said. The worst possible journalistic source (a group of people?)

We have speculated here on WS about many things, and I personally have speculated that BK expected to find MM alone. A couple of other people here have speculated that. All upon no evidence.

The use of the word "may" is not good journalism, unless they can name a source.

It is probably from early in the investigation, although to me it seems that it was broad internet speculation (of the type we are not allowed to use as a source here).

It is misleading at the least, but it's a slow news cycle for this case.

IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

"during which the killer was slightly injured" Use of word "May" means guessing.

SEAN O'DRISCOLL is guessing I think.

You can get in touch with Sean by emailing [email protected].

 

[Jurisprudence]

The criteria DNA to run DNA is clear. It has to be relevant to the crime scene.
They had DNA on the sheath of a murder weapon. Obviously that met the criteria for relevant DNA.

MOO the others did not, a glove outside minus any other connection would not, nor DNA on a cupboard or desk or even on the mattress.

I'm not arguing that point. The defense is, lol.

 

[10ofRods]

That's what I recall too (Mabutt said it wo naming names, SG later named Kaylee). The DNA on the sheath we knew. If he was injured though there should be other DNA of his at the scene too. We hadn't heard this which is why I was wondering if he maybe wore fish (cut-resistant) gloves. So, this Newsweek article was confusing because it's dated today - almost a year later, making reference to him possibly injuring himself. The more I think about it the more I think they probably recycled old notes when writing this up.

jmo

You and I both are wondering about this. If he left his own blood at the crime scene and that was left out of the PCA (so...they only discovered it after that or thought it wasn't important), how did that discovery occur? It's hard to believe he was injured and that didn't come up in the PCA. However, it's not uncommon for the State to keep back evidence.

In this case, there has been a careful gag order past the PCA, so perhaps we just don't know.

I agree with you that they recycled "old notes" (or "old memories") for this.

I can't find any reference to an injury for BK, anywhere. It would be huge if MSM could get hold of it. Since it is just one source (AFAIK), perhaps hungry for click bait, I am not putting this in my file of facts.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Unless someone violated the gag order, I can't imagine who revealed this.

Also, whoever revealed it made several leaps of logic and also empirical evidence. "Police" is a collective noun, nuff said. The worst possible journalistic source (a group of people?)

We have speculated here on WS about many things, and I personally have speculated that BK expected to find MM alone. A couple of other people here have speculated that. All upon no evidence.

The use of the word "may" is not good journalism, unless they can name a source.

It is probably from early in the investigation, although to me it seems that it was broad internet speculation (of the type we are not allowed to use as a source here).

It is misleading at the least, but it's a slow news cycle for this case.

IMO

I agree. This is just a guess but I think Newsweek must have pulled out old notes from when the investigation was in its infancy and included nuggets to generate a new piece. It's the only thing I can think of that makes sense and it's sloppy bc I don't think their quote is accurate.

Could you imagine if it is accurate though? That could be awesome for the state.(Not holding my breath though)

jmo

 

[maskedwoman]

The car information makes sense to me as well. BK is going down: DNA huge, Phone data, Surveillance Video and who knows what else the State has uncovered since the arrest. The only thing the AT can do at this point is push paper.

<snipped & BBM>

The police took the video footage to an FBI officer who specializes in identifying vehicles. Not only was the officer an expert on types and makes of vehicles, but he also knew that there were regional differences in the same make of car—sometimes a certain part may be used for cars sold in one part of America but not in another.

The FBI agent initially identified the car as a Hyundai Elantra made between 2011 and 2014, but, after reviewing the footage over and over looking for small clues, he expanded his range from 2011 to 2016.

MOO

This was very educational. I had no idea of regional differences in car models. I know that certain states have different exhaust rules, etc., but I never thought of the same car looking different from one area to another. And to think of how we spent all those days hunting down pictures of cars and sparring over how good or bad the FBI's car expert was at his job. LOL

ETA missing word

 

[Chloegirl]

You and I both are wondering about this. If he left his own blood at the crime scene and that was left out of the PCA (so...they only discovered it after that or thought it wasn't important), how did that discovery occur? It's hard to believe he was injured and that didn't come up in the PCA. However, it's not uncommon for the State to keep back evidence.

In this case, there has been a careful gag order past the PCA, so perhaps we just don't know.

I agree with you that they recycled "old notes" (or "old memories") for this.

I can't find any reference to an injury for BK, anywhere. It would be huge if MSM could get hold of it. Since it is just one source (AFAIK), perhaps hungry for click bait, I am not putting this in my file of facts.

I'm really out on a limb here, BUT could he have seen a doctor for an injury and they have that information? JMOO, always JMOO

 

[Chloegirl]

This was very educational. I had no idea of regional differences in car models. I know that certain states have different exhaust rules, etc., but I never thought of the same car looking different from one area to another. And to of how we spent all those days hunting down pictures of cars and sparring over how good or bad the FBI's car expert was at his job. LOL

Stunning. This might explain the misidentification by year. Just stunning. JMOO

 

[maconrich]

I'm really out on a limb here, BUT could he have seen a doctor for an injury and they have that information? JMOO, always JMOO

He went in for his scheduled doctor's appointment four days after the murders. I'd think LE followed up, but I've not seen anything about what they did or didn't find (gag order?)

dated 12 Jan

'He's so nice and charming': Bryan Kohberger beguiled medical staff 4 days after quadruple killing in Idaho

Bryan Kohberger made it to his routine medical appointment on November 17 when others canceled their appointments amid fear of a killer on the loose.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Deleted member 718]

I noticed this edit at the end of the Newsweek article:

Update 10/7/23, 3:35 p.m. ET: This article was updated to reflect that the DNA sample found in the murder house was touch DNA.

The missing Bryan Kohberger evidence that could make or break the trial

The murder weapon has never been found but police are relying on other evidence

www.newsweek.com

 

[Boxer]

I'm not arguing that point. The defense is, lol.

Right. The confusion that the defense can sow about DNA!
Maybe a class on it need a to be done for all citizens serving on murder case juries.