4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Ksfarmer8]

A small town police department north of Nashville TN has been notorious most of my life for running speed traps on the interstate. They are notorious. Ahem, even my husband doesn't speed through there. LOL But the whole point of that situation is the ticket revenue - not "you were following too close sir".

The fact that he got pulled over twice and got no ticket seemed extremely contrived to me and still does. The FBI said they didn't arrange the pull overs. Ok, fine. But I could see an Indiana police department doing a favor for an Idaho police department. Especially on such a large case. MOOooo

Agreed, it seems odd to be stopped twice within a few minutes for the same offense without a ticket but the Indiana law is rather vague.
Indiana Code 9-21-8-14 Sec. 14. A person who drives a motor vehicle may not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of both vehicles, the time interval between vehicles, and the condition of the highway.
We have basically the same law in Kansas and no tickets (only warnings) are given unless there is contact and then a ticket for following too closely will be written.
Usually when a traffic stop is initiated the car tags have already been run before the officer exits his vehicle. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Agreed, it seems odd to be stopped twice within a few minutes for the same offense without a ticket but the Indiana law is rather vague.
Indiana Code 9-21-8-14 Sec. 14. A person who drives a motor vehicle may not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of both vehicles, the time interval between vehicles, and the condition of the highway.
We have basically the same law in Kansas and no tickets (only warnings) are given unless there is contact and then a ticket for following too closely will be written.
Usually when a traffic stop is initiated the car tags have already been run before the officer exits his vehicle. JMO

Interesting, because the Indiana motor vehicle points chart ranks it as a fairly significant (6 point) violation, as compared to speeding slightly (1-15 mph over, is 2 points).

But that's not what is curious. What is curious is that 1) Kohberger was following too closely; 2) was stopped and warned and then 3) immediately did it again. And was stopped again.

So the officers were definitely watchful. Indiana motor vehicle code clearly states that following too closely is almost as bad as rear-ending someone (8 point violation as compared to a 6 point - both are fairly high points violations).

I think the officers knew where to draw the line and that Kohberger was, indeed, following too closely. Twice.

Kansas's law may be different, but Indiana law is clear that this is a high points violation - it is one of the most unsafe things a driver can do, IMO.

In other states, people do get tickets for tailgating.

 

[Cool Cats]

FWIW I have never been pulled over where LE didn't take my license and registration from me back to their patrol car, for a painfully long time, leaving me to think about what I'd done. Even when I've slinked away with the coveted warning, they still ran my license.

LE didn't do that for BK. Twice. IMO they were stopping Elantras, of their own volition, to slow BK's forward progress (if LE was synchronizing future surveillence) or they were taking census of Elantras, in search of BK. Like a LE checkpoint, just for any and all Elantras.

JMO

Are you sure they never took BK's license back to their car? They always do. Not a normal traffic stop if they didn't. They always run the license. Always, to look for outstanding Warrants. This is part of their normal job.

FBI was following him and lost him and asked for Indiana help in identifying him and the 2nd cop stopped him before the help was called off. How it looks to me.

 

[Megnut]

Are you sure they never took BK's license back to their car? They always do. Not a normal traffic stop if they didn't. They always run the license. Always, to look for outstanding Warrants. This is part of their normal job.

FBI was following him and lost him and asked for Indiana help in identifying him and the 2nd cop stopped him before the help was called off. How it looks to me.

I think that's what it looked like because that's exactly what it was.

I hope he felt it. Big brother got eyes on you.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Does VSS affect depth perception?

Might be an organic reason for tailgating?

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Does VSS affect depth perception?

Might be an organic reason for tailgating?

JMO

Or he's just an aggressive driver.

Jmo

 

[Boxer]

Does VSS affect depth perception?

Might be an organic reason for tailgating?

JMO

MOO aggression is the cause of tailgating.

 

[Helechawagirl]

IF he "borrowed" a license plate and IF there are like a gazillion white Elantras, perhaps he didn't have to look too far to find another white Elantra (so any license plate reader would link back to an actual white Elantra, just not his) and LE did get a license plate from a reader, linked to an Elantra of the other range of years.

We know he took counter measures. We just don't know how many layers deep they might run. Possibilities such as: changing his license plate, swapping the plate with one from a similar vehicle, purchasing his kill kits months prior, creating dummy accounts from which to purchase more anonymously, etc, etc.

I think he thought he was bulletproof.

JMO

Well thinking I’d not his strong suit, although without that dna from the sheaf, they’d have had a much tougher time with identifying a suspect. The gas station attendant deserves a lot of credit also. Her work in reviewing the security footage was a huge benefit. Jmo

 

[Helechawagirl]

Or he's just an aggressive driver.

Jmo

My experience as a cross-country driver is that cops like to pull over out of state drivers. Jmo

 

[Ksfarmer8]

Interesting, because the Indiana motor vehicle points chart ranks it as a fairly significant (6 point) violation, as compared to speeding slightly (1-15 mph over, is 2 points).

But that's not what is curious. What is curious is that 1) Kohberger was following too closely; 2) was stopped and warned and then 3) immediately did it again. And was stopped again.

So the officers were definitely watchful. Indiana motor vehicle code clearly states that following too closely is almost as bad as rear-ending someone (8 point violation as compared to a 6 point - both are fairly high points violations).

I think the officers knew where to draw the line and that Kohberger was, indeed, following too closely. Twice.

Kansas's law may be different, but Indiana law is clear that this is a high points violation - it is one of the most unsafe things a driver can do, IMO.

In other states, people do get tickets for tailgating.

You bring up some interesting information about the "high" number of points Indiana assigns the traffic violation of "following too closely" yet let Kohberger off twice. It appears that the state pays little attention to writing tickets for the FTC violation as per a page outlining the most common traffic violations. (see below) JMO Following too closely is never mentioned among all the other violations. Just as an opinion, it looks like drivers may get a warning in Indiana for following too closely unless it is so over the top that it can be included as reckless driving.
I went back and watched both traffic stop videos and neither Officer went back to their car to run the DL although the one did look at Kohberger's drivers license.

Indiana most common traffic violations:

Indiana Traffic Violations | StateRecords.org

Learn the provisions of the Indiana traffic statutes regarding traffic violations, types of traffic violations and the penalties for traffic offenses including the payment of traffic tickets or citations, sentences and license suspension

indiana.staterecords.org

Kansas does not have a point system for traffic violations.

 

[schooling]

The car may not have had one. It's not easy to get a concrete answer on makes and models that have them except to state that the article below indicates that the law requires disclosure through the owner's manual for all vehicles manufactured from September 1, 2012 forward *if* the vehicle is equipped with an event data recorder. Maybe a search of the manual would include this but the model type of Elantra would need to be known.

jmo

Event Data Recorder – AAA Exchange

exchange.aaa.com

But we do know. The VIN is right here.

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20230302/150419-dec.29,2022-searchwarrant(hyundaielantra),inventory,exhibits.pdf

Since VINs are standardized and unique to every car we can decode it on any public Hyundai vin decoder.

It’s a 2015 Hyundai Elantra 4dr Sdn Auto GLS (manufactured in an Alabama Plant). In Ice White with Grey Interior.

9611PC	Radio+cd+mp3+sdars - pa30a s
9614B1	Component- 2 din
9615A2	Frequency vibration - am10k/fm200k
9618A1	Usb+aux
9621E1	Glass antenna - radio
9624L1	Antenna sdars

The above is from the telematics and infotainment section. You’ll notice AM/FM and Sattlelite (sdars) and an antenna for both. But since he didn’t opt for the upgraded infotainment system with navigation…the car has no GPS antenna or GPS hardware of any kind.

Anyone can go onto eBay ( or a similar site) and find a Elantra of the same year with the upgraded infotainment w/navigation equipped and you’ll see the obvious differences. It will have additional codes for GPS and cellular antennas and hardware (listed as ‘TMU’ or telematics unit) attached to that particular car’s VIN.

 

[Justice101]

Are you sure they never took BK's license back to their car? They always do. Not a normal traffic stop if they didn't. They always run the license. Always, to look for outstanding Warrants. This is part of their normal job.

FBI was following him and lost him and asked for Indiana help in identifying him and the 2nd cop stopped him before the help was called off. How it looks to me.

Yes, I concur and believe that 2 pull overs in one state was not a coincidence.

Even though it is officially denied.. I think they were ordered to pull him over for ANY offense and then send him on his way... They were probably pulling him over as a double check that this is their duo that the FBI was tailing.

Hold them back for a few minutes will the FBI catches up.

Again, this was vehemently denied... but that was not denied in a court of law so it really doesn't mean much.,

 

[10ofRods]

Does VSS affect depth perception?

Might be an organic reason for tailgating?

JMO

It probably does. I've read some writings by people with VSS and the way they describe it, the "snow" really does look as if it's coming down in between the eye and whatever one is looking at. Just like real snow. So, for Kohberger, driving is always like driving in a snowstorm. Some report that the snow is sometimes lighter than other times.

He may have learned to cope with this by following whatever is in front of him. I assume the trucks were in the truck lane or at least one of two slow lanes. Trucks are big and easy to follow. They don't make sudden lane changes (usually).

But to impatient Kohberger, they also need to go faster. Trucks do slow down on hills (even slight ones) if they are carrying cargo. Then they go faster on the downhill. This is why most sedan drivers do not like following them closely. If Kohberger was tailgating in order to send the eternal message of the road (GO FASTER!), it was socially unaware to do so to...a big truck.

I've also thought about how a big truck followed closely fills the entire visual field (one cannot see around the big truck and if that truck slams into something, there will be no warning). VERY unsafe. Quite nice of those officers not to ticket him, IMO. (I do believe there's something else going on in this story, but I don't know exactly what).

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

But we do know. The VIN is right here.

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20230302/150419-dec.29,2022-searchwarrant(hyundaielantra),inventory,exhibits.pdf

Since VINs are standardized and unique to every car we can decode it on any public Hyundai vin decoder.

It’s a 2015 Hyundai Elantra 4dr Sdn Auto GLS (manufactured in an Alabama Plant). In Ice White with Grey Interior.

9611PC	Radio+cd+mp3+sdars - pa30a s
9614B1	Component- 2 din
9615A2	Frequency vibration - am10k/fm200k
9618A1	Usb+aux
9621E1	Glass antenna - radio
9624L1	Antenna sdars

The above is from the telematics and infotainment section. You’ll notice AM/FM and Sattlelite (sdars) and an antenna for both. But since he didn’t opt for the upgraded infotainment system with navigation…the car has no GPS antenna or GPS hardware of any kind.

Anyone can go onto eBay ( or a similar site) and find a Elantra of the same year with the upgraded infotainment w/navigation equipped and you’ll see the obvious differences. It will have additional codes for GPS and cellular antennas and hardware (listed as ‘TMU’ or telematics unit) attached to that particular car’s VIN.

Thanks! This is my “learn something new every day” item.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/kfixler/status/1711497510026445225?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/06232023+Ordr+Denying+Shanon+Grays+Req+to+be+Exempt+from+the+Amnd+Nondiss+Ordr+Grant+Req+the+Ordr+be+Clarif.pdf

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711497510026445225

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711497835462422756

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711498869396152609

https://twitter.com/kfixler/status/1711498974757048448

 

[sds71]

Investigative reporter accused of spreading falsehoods in University of Idaho murder series

MOSCOW, Idaho - The father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students murdered last November, accused an investigative journalist of spreading falsehoods in a series of

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1711534234035159171

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/angenette5/status/1711534234035159171?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711534234035159171

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711593335087841551

 

[Balthazar]

Mr. Blum's response from this morning.