4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Chloegirl]

Just out of curiosity, I looked up how many miles Genesee is from Pullman and it is 23 miles - so maybe he was going there and back on some of his late night drives? That seemed to be where BK's car was when it started pinging the tower near Blaine.

Absolutely nothing there. Older farmers, families with kids..No stores, not much else and often icy with some wind over the Palouse hills, nothing to draw you there whatsoever. 1k population. JMOO

 

[Red Clover]

Absolutely nothing there. Older farmers, families with kids..No stores, not much else and often icy with some wind over the Palouse hills, nothing to draw you there whatsoever. 1k population. JMOO

Maybe a good place to dump & or stash something?

 

[Justice101]

An average of 46 miles per day is a lot for someone who lives on the same campus where they work and go to school.

Where is he driving to and from besides that? Is it from his long, late night drives? Strange to consider, since that is what serial predators often do. JMO

I agree.

That is a lot of mileage if he lived close to campus.

I'll bet he had the same habit of driving long at night too... maybe fantasizing about

Maybe a good place to dump & or stash something?

I did a google earth search of that area and there are several dead end dirt roads that also have water features at the end (small ponds, stream beds, drainage ditches, etc.)

I think he ditched the knife and possibly burned, buried or sank the clothing too.

 

[Balthazar]

Absolutely nothing there. Older farmers, families with kids..No stores, not much else and often icy with some wind over the Palouse hills, nothing to draw you there whatsoever. 1k population. JMOO

People who drive at night are not necessarily looking to go somewhere. It's more about relaxing and not being around others/traffic. A few years back, I had a close friend who was dying of cancer and her husband was absolutely devastated and he used to drive alone at night when he couldn't sleep to clear his head. My friend's husband was sometimes listening to a really weird, yet interesting radio program on his drives. It gave him a temporary distraction from what was happening in his life. BK's family home in the Poconos is out in a rural area. I would think driving in these rural areas at night may have felt familiar and made BK feel close to home in some way.

Or he may have dumped something somewhere out there. But it seems apparent, he does/did have a longstanding habit of driving a lot late at night.

 

[Chloegirl]

People who drive at night are not necessarily looking to go somewhere. It's more about relaxing and not being around others/traffic. A few years back, I had a close friend who was dying of cancer and her husband was absolutely devastated and he used to drive alone at night when he couldn't sleep to clear his head. My friend's husband was sometimes listening to a really weird, yet interesting radio program on his drives. It gave him a temporary distraction from what was happening in his life. BK's family home in the Poconos is out in a rural area. I would think driving in these rural areas at night may have felt familiar and made BK feel close to home in some way.

Or he may have dumped something somewhere out there. But it seems apparent, he does/did have a longstanding habit of driving a lot late at night.

Thank you for that serene energy. If BK was driving around plotting murder it's not that whatsoever! JMOO

I also have to comment with gas it nearly $5 a gallon sometimes, I am not out driving around wasting gas burning up carbon. Just saying.

 

[Balthazar]

Thank you for that serene energy. If BK was driving around plotting murder it's not that whatsoever! JMOO

I also have to comment with gas it nearly $5 a gallon sometimes, I am not out driving around wasting gas burning up carbon. Just saying.

We don't really know what he was doing. We can see from his mileage that BK was likely driving at night in the Poconos in 2021 and the habit continued in Pullman. We also know that prior to that he used to go night running. It seems BK likes to be active and moving at night but that's really all we have proof of, thus far. Night owls make up about 22-24% of the human population so none of this, including night driving, is outside the range of normal human behavior. Even wasting money on something (in this case gasoline) is, frankly, normal human behavior.

I will be curious to find out if his night running buddy ever witnessed any stalker behavior or if anyone ever heard him talk about fantasizing about committing murder. Hopefully all will be revealed at the trial, whenever that will be.

All JMO.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Absolutely nothing there. Older farmers, families with kids..No stores, not much else and often icy with some wind over the Palouse hills, nothing to draw you there whatsoever. 1k population. JMOO

Pre-COVID, at least, the annual fire department fundraising crab feed is/was a huge attraction, assuming the weather cooperates. I’d only missed it once pre-COVID. It’s in February, not November.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Maybe a good place to dump & or stash something?

Maybe.

The caveat is it’s the major sand/gravel/etc storage location for roads. So, depending on the weather, there could be a lot of truck traffic in the wee hours, MOE.

 

[10ofRods]

We don't really know what he was doing. We can see from his mileage that BK was likely driving at night in the Poconos in 2021 and the habit continued in Pullman. We also know that prior to that he used to go night running. It seems BK likes to be active and moving at night but that's really all we have proof of, thus far. Night owls make up about 22-24% of the human population so none of this, including night driving, is outside the range of normal human behavior. Even wasting money on something (in this case gasoline) is, frankly, normal human behavior.

I will be curious to find out if his night running buddy ever witnessed any stalker behavior or if anyone ever heard him talk about fantasizing about committing murder. Hopefully all will be revealed at the trial, whenever that will be.

All JMO.

Not sure what you mean by "fantasizing." There's no way to tell if someone else is fantasizing or merely thinking (not sure everyone even uses the words the same way.

We know for a fact that he was thinking some about murder, because he was studying it. He took a classes that dealt with it. It's grim stuff. I study it too. If "fantasize" means "thinking about doing something oneself," that's one thing. To me it just means "using one's imagination to try and figure out what went down" in a certain situation. It's part of my job, actually; I interview criminals (well, I haven't done it since COVID, but did it for years). I then try to connect dots, go back, talk to them some more. When they think about their crimes, is that fantasizing? When someone thinks about other people's crimes (like everyone here on WS and of course, criminals themselves), is that fantasizing?

Because if so, I'll bet many boxes of donuts that Kohberger did fantasize about murder. A lot. But I'd call it "thinking" about murder, and since we know he was in favor of Rational Choice Theory, he probably thought of it as "analyzing" murder, troubleshooting what happened (I do this sometimes, myself - so far it hasn't led to committing any crimes).

For example, many threads here on WS have WSers mentioning what mistakes a criminal made and how they could have been avoided. Isn't that the same as planning/thinking through a crime?

My point is that having a mental file of potential crimes and how to improve on those crimes could, in the right individual, result in an attempt at the "perfect crime," but doesn't really account for why this particular would-be criminologist actually did it. I have my theories on this, currently based on everything I see and know about Kohberger. I am betting that plenty of people heard him talk about murder, since that was the subject of many of his classes. He may have talked about how RCT works too (which is a way of talking about how to improve and troubleshoot one's criminal activities). I don't know how Prof B could know that was one of his favorite theories (along with Script Analysis, which focuses on memorizing a series of steps in order to commit a crime - when it's used in criminology, anyway), if he didn't talk about these theories with her in discussion and papers.

IMO.

 

[schooling]

We don't really know what he was doing. We can see from his mileage that BK was likely driving at night in the Poconos in 2021 and the habit continued in Pullman. We also know that prior to that he used to go night running. It seems BK likes to be active and moving at night but that's really all we have proof of, thus far. Night owls make up about 22-24% of the human population so none of this, including night driving, is outside the range of normal human behavior. Even wasting money on something (in this case gasoline) is, frankly, normal human behavior.

I will be curious to find out if his night running buddy ever witnessed any stalker behavior or if anyone ever heard him talk about fantasizing about committing murder. Hopefully all will be revealed at the trial, whenever that will be.

All JMO.

having people testify to you NOT being a creep capable of murder is NOT the kind of amazing testimony BK needs in his defense..

If keeping your desire to murder away from your random running buddy is the threshold, he’s 110% going to sit on death row IMO

 

[maconrich]

Apologies if these have already been posted...

10/12/2023 Defendants 8th Supplemental Request for Discovery

10/12/2023 Stipulated Motion to File Exhibit

10/12/2023 Order to File Defendants Exhibit

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[Balthazar]

New documents from Oct. 12:

• 10/12/2023 Defendants 8th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 10/12/2023 Stipulated Motion to File Exhibit
• 10/12/2023 Order to File Defendants Exhibit

 

[Baby baby Jane]

People who drive at night are not necessarily looking to go somewhere. It's more about relaxing and not being around others/traffic. A few years back, I had a close friend who was dying of cancer and her husband was absolutely devastated and he used to drive alone at night when he couldn't sleep to clear his head. My friend's husband was sometimes listening to a really weird, yet interesting radio program on his drives. It gave him a temporary distraction from what was happening in his life. BK's family home in the Poconos is out in a rural area. I would think driving in these rural areas at night may have felt familiar and made BK feel close to home in some way.

Or he may have dumped something somewhere out there. But it seems apparent, he does/did have a longstanding habit of driving a lot late at night.

I was picturing him dumping items on campus in areas for waste from labs, animal care or veterinary. Waste for incineration. It would be easy to do trial run in advance if he could access these areas.

 

[Helechawagirl]

We only have the word of someone posting online that used an assumed old email of his that indicates this was the case but even if it is fact, it doesn't give him a pass for bad driving, bad behaviour or any other misconduct.

If this condition is fact and affects his driving so badly that he seemingly shouldn't drive at night and can't function well enough to obey rules of the road, his license should have been suspended or restricted.

And wondering why his father wouldn’t drive if that’s the case. I’m a lifelong tailgater but I didn’t really see myself that way. I just wondered why folks didn’t get out of the way; sometimes they did and I thought they were so polite. So then, I got cruise control, drove in the fast lane 5 or 10 miles over and there was always, always some ja riding my tail!

 

[Balthazar]

I was picturing him dumping items on campus in areas for waste from labs, animal care or veterinary. Waste for incineration. It would be easy to do trial run in advance if he could access these areas.

He was driving more than 40 miles per night, so he was doing more than just driving around campus.

 

[Pyrite]

He was driving more than 40 miles per night, so he was doing more than just driving around campus.

Or he was taking trips to see Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, San. Francisco, etc whenever he had a couple of days off And racking up the mileage that way. Since he was from the North East part of the countries it’s entirely possible he wanted to see the west coast while he was in WA.

edited to add, or maybe he wanted to visit all his favorite serial killer sites, Washington had a lot of them and California as well.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Or he was taking trips to see Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, San. Francisco, etc whenever he had a couple of days off And racking up the mileage that way. Since he was from the North East part of the countries it’s entirely possible he wanted to see the west coast while he was in WA.

edited to add, or maybe he wanted to visit all his favorite serial killer sites, Washington had a lot of them and California as well.

If one of these “authors” could interview, research and find other information, that might be worth reading. Did he frequent a gym? Hang out anywhere? Go to movies? Belong to any clubs? Go to church? Bowling? Eat out a lot? Go hiking? Have any friends at all?

 

[Chloegirl]

Realistically, I think he drove around in circles stalking people. Doubtful he was sightseeing in Portland, etc. He was in the area about 3 months before killing four people. Getting to know the area just locally in Pullman takes time, getting your degree takes time, being a TA more time, driving back and forth to Moscow (for nefarious reasons) additional time.

I don't think he was world traveling or building relationships. He was (at least it was reported back in Pennsylvania) somewhat of a loner or did not fit in easily and perceived as creepy by women and obviously planning his and others demise. JMOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Apologies if these have already been posted...

10/12/2023 Defendants 8th Supplemental Request for Discovery

10/12/2023 Stipulated Motion to File Exhibit

10/12/2023 Order to File Defendants Exhibit

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

How I would love to know what the Discovery Item filed under Seal by the Defense is all about.

 

[Cool Cats]

He was driving more than 40 miles per night, so he was doing more than just driving around campus.

Yah, that's enough mileage to go back and forth to Moscow.