4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #90

[Cool Cats]

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I think it is something that LE definitely needs to investigate if they haven't already.

Of course all this has been investigated already. Investigators know how to coordinate all the relative time frames and witness statements and data.

Based on an Idaho Statesman analysis, the hundreds of pages of redacted warrants and warrant returns, as well as Latah County prosecutor case filings to keep them all under seal, span some of the biggest companies in social media, shopping, banking and telecommunications.

Investigators began by serving search warrants to AT&T, Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile and Inland Cellular — a regional carrier that operates in north-central Idaho and southeastern Washington. They sought a history of all the devices that pinged cell towers within a half-mile radius of the Moscow home on Nov. 13. They received the bulk of the data within just a couple of days and began to pore over the GPS coordinates of cellphones and other devices on the nearby networks.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html#storylink=cpy

PCA

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
FBI Agents
FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)
Technical Specialists from all LE organizations
Technical Specialist in digital devices
Technical Specialist in digital media

Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Idaho State Crime Lab
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

 

[10ofRods]

I'm aware of the rumors.
There's also the CBS 48h special, where it is stated that Xana's sister Jazzmin was also made aware of what happened on the morning of the 13th.
Transcript of the segment:
Narrator: On Sunday morning, November 13th, Xana's friends started calling Jazzmin, saying something bad had happened on King Road. Jazzmin rushed over to Xana's house.
Interviewer: "And while you're driving that 8, 9 miles over to the house, are you trying to reach your sister then?
Jazzmin : Mhhmm (nodding yes)
Interviewer : How many times did you call her?
Jazzmin: A lot, I called her a lot. I called Ethan a lot.
Narrator: Her next call was to her father. Jeffrey had been visiting Jazzmin for Dads' weekend, and was on his way home.
Interviewer : So you answer the phone, what do you hear?
Jeffrey: I hear kind of, crying, and just telling me to get back to Moscow and meet me at Xana's house, and... You know my heart drops, instantly, I raced back down there"
See from 7:40 timestamp:

The narrator (like the reporter) say "morning," but I don't see where J. says morning (this seems to be a theme with this coverage and I'm not surprised).

So what do you think? Do you think that Jeffrey learned about the murders from LE? (Who aren't called until 11:58) or do you think someone in the house called him as soon as they could? (That would be after finding the body which is reported by LE to have occurred around 11:30 and also reported in all the local media as around 11:30). Seems to me that H, DM and BF would have had from about 11:58 (I believe they called within seconds or minutes of finding the bodies on the second floor - and on earlier threads, we discussed how they called before they had gone up to the third floor - it's not clear at all whether DM and BF ever went to the third floor).

Officers arrive quickly (I want to say it's like 2-3 minutes), but the Coroner doesn't get there until 4 pm. The responding officers are joined soon enough by a higher up person from the police (Chief is out of town, IIRC). We spent pages discussing why it seemed to take so long for the Coroner to get there, but the forensic team needed to get out there immediately (and did, they were got on more than one news camera going into the house mid-afternoon on Sunday),

It's reasonable to me to believe that someone in the inner circle (J, H, DM, BF, perhaps others) had phone numbers for some of the family (or could get those phone numbers off the victims' phones; lots of students do not keep their phones locked down or share the passwords with close friends).

At any rate, if J was actually called before noon, I have to think it was one of the 3 people known to be on scene (and calling LE). And if Jeffrey already knew, that's an awful lot of notification going on before noon - with three traumatized people managing to do it before police arrive.

But, I fear that all this confusion will lead to DM and BF being asked even more uncomfortable, if and when this goes to trial.

IMO.

 

[schooling]

I'm aware of the rumors.
There's also the CBS 48h special, where it is stated that Xana's sister Jazzmin was also made aware of what happened on the morning of the 13th.
Transcript of the segment:
Narrator: On Sunday morning, November 13th, Xana's friends started calling Jazzmin, saying something bad had happened on King Road. Jazzmin rushed over to Xana's house.
Interviewer: "And while you're driving that 8, 9 miles over to the house, are you trying to reach your sister then?
Jazzmin : Mhhmm (nodding yes)
Interviewer : How many times did you call her?
Jazzmin: A lot, I called her a lot. I called Ethan a lot.
Narrator: Her next call was to her father. Jeffrey had been visiting Jazzmin for Dads' weekend, and was on his way home.
Interviewer : So you answer the phone, what do you hear?
Jeffrey: I hear kind of, crying, and just telling me to get back to Moscow and meet me at Xana's house, and... You know my heart drops, instantly, I raced back down there"
See from 7:40 timestamp:

I call 12pm Sunday Morning.

 

[schooling]

The narrator (like the reporter) say "morning," but I don't see where J. says morning (this seems to be a theme with this coverage and I'm not surprised).

So what do you think? Do you think that Jeffrey learned about the murders from LE? (Who aren't called until 11:58) or do you think someone in the house called him as soon as they could? (That would be after finding the body which is reported by LE to have occurred around 11:30 and also reported in all the local media as around 11:30). Seems to me that H, DM and BF would have had from about 11:58 (I believe they called within seconds or minutes of finding the bodies on the second floor - and on earlier threads, we discussed how they called before they had gone up to the third floor - it's not clear at all whether DM and BF ever went to the third floor).

Officers arrive quickly (I want to say it's like 2-3 minutes), but the Coroner doesn't get there until 4 pm. The responding officers are joined soon enough by a higher up person from the police (Chief is out of town, IIRC). We spent pages discussing why it seemed to take so long for the Coroner to get there, but the forensic team needed to get out there immediately (and did, they were got on more than one news camera going into the house mid-afternoon on Sunday),

It's reasonable to me to believe that someone in the inner circle (J, H, DM, BF, perhaps others) had phone numbers for some of the family (or could get those phone numbers off the victims' phones; lots of students do not keep their phones locked down or share the passwords with close friends).

At any rate, if J was actually called before noon, I have to think it was one of the 3 people known to be on scene (and calling LE). And if Jeffrey already knew, that's an awful lot of notification going on before noon - with three traumatized people managing to do it before police arrive.

But, I fear that all this confusion will lead to DM and BF being asked even more uncomfortable, if and when this goes to trial.

IMO.

Apparently Xana's sister announced a gigantic hole in teh prosecutions case on National Television in front of millions of viewers and no one caught it until now?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I can't. I'm not able to right now. It would be great aif people would continue to quote rather than paraphrase and I think when stating facts from videos, there should be a rough timestamp.

SBMFF. There was a timestamp, in at least 3 different posts.

 

[insearchoflight]

What am I missing here? I thought it was known from beginning that people were already at (outside) the house when officers arrived. That the surviving roommates had called people before calling police. Of course there is going to be numerous calls/texts during that timeframe.

 

[Balthazar]

I'm aware of the rumors.
There's also the CBS 48h special, where it is stated that Xana's sister Jazzmin was also made aware of what happened on the morning of the 13th.
Transcript of the segment:
Narrator: On Sunday morning, November 13th, Xana's friends started calling Jazzmin, saying something bad had happened on King Road. Jazzmin rushed over to Xana's house.
Interviewer: "And while you're driving that 8, 9 miles over to the house, are you trying to reach your sister then?
Jazzmin : Mhhmm (nodding yes)
Interviewer : How many times did you call her?
Jazzmin: A lot, I called her a lot. I called Ethan a lot.
Narrator: Her next call was to her father. Jeffrey had been visiting Jazzmin for Dads' weekend, and was on his way home.
Interviewer : So you answer the phone, what do you hear?
Jeffrey: I hear kind of, crying, and just telling me to get back to Moscow and meet me at Xana's house, and... You know my heart drops, instantly, I raced back down there"
See from 7:40 timestamp:

The morning of the 13th, huh? Not after noon on the 13th or in the afternoon of the 13th. The morning.

 

[10ofRods]

Apparently Xana's sister announced a gigantic hole in teh prosecutions case on National Television in front of millions of viewers and no one caught it until now?

Well, she doesn't say "morning," so I am assuming all is well. Two reporters have inserted the word morning and, well, I think it makes for more drama in the report.

If it was at the stroke of noon (and it could be 12 noon precisely), then for sure the notification wasn't official. For sure some calls were made before dialing 911. Since X's dad is crying, presumably he knows it's the worst news possible and he believes the source. If it was not LE or anyone from U of W (which would be one way the police might handle it), it had to have been either someone in the house or someone they had texted/spoken to.

I feel really badly if X's dad had to learn about this through multiple texts or one terrified phone call (or anything in between), but yes, if the time is actually the stroke of noon (or any time between 11:30 am and 11:58), it's amazing how much communicating was going on while this horrific event was still very much unfolding. However, since H was there (and had been called over, apparently, because the girls thought something was very wrong), he certainly could have called someone (perhaps Ethan's parents? then Xana's parents?) It's hard for me to imagine a young man, in the space of 30 minutes, alerting two sets of people while also responding to a frantic call, pushing into the door and talking to 911.

But it could happen. OTOH, since so far all we have is "when I woke up" (from Z) and that Xana's sister is trying to call while driving (the narration was done by news people and added later, not exactly evidence).

IMO.

 

[Swansee]

So what do you think? Do you think that Jeffrey learned about the murders from LE?

RSBM.
The transcript I show clearly states it was Jazzmin who called Jeffrey.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

What am I missing here? I thought it was known from beginning that people were already at (outside) the house when officers arrived. That the surviving roommates had called people before calling police. Of course there is going to be numerous calls/texts during that timeframe.

There was a MSM article early on (likely in the media thread) that said the front door of the house was wide open at 8:30 am. Since then, speculation has run rampant about why that may be (if it's even true; LE hasn't confirmed or denied). One theory was that maybe BK came back to find his sheath. We know his phone pinged in the area after 9 am, but maybe the time is off and the open door was actually at 9, not 8:30. Another theory was that he either came in or left through the front door and the door was left open. Another was that Xana didn't close the door all the way after the DD delivery. Finally, people commented that with it being so cold, the surviving roommates would have realized the door was open so speculation turned to whether or not the reported timeline is a bit off and that maybe friends came over earlier than we think and the door was open because of the friends and/or the smell of the blood.

There are non-WS-approved sources that claim to back this up, but you'll have to google to find them.

JMO.

 

[Balthazar]

Of course all this has been investigated already. Investigators know how to coordinate all the relative time frames and witness statements and data.

Based on an Idaho Statesman analysis, the hundreds of pages of redacted warrants and warrant returns, as well as Latah County prosecutor case filings to keep them all under seal, span some of the biggest companies in social media, shopping, banking and telecommunications.

Investigators began by serving search warrants to AT&T, Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile and Inland Cellular — a regional carrier that operates in north-central Idaho and southeastern Washington. They sought a history of all the devices that pinged cell towers within a half-mile radius of the Moscow home on Nov. 13. They received the bulk of the data within just a couple of days and began to pore over the GPS coordinates of cellphones and other devices on the nearby networks.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article273131445.html#storylink=cpy

PCA

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
FBI Agents
FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)
Technical Specialists from all LE organizations
Technical Specialist in digital devices
Technical Specialist in digital media

Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Idaho State Crime Lab
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

If you don't have proof this was investigated, we cannot assume this aspect was investigated. Please link the proof.

 

[Cool Cats]

If you don't have proof this was investigated, we cannot assume this aspect was investigated. Please link the proof.

Proof of what exactly?

Something a lady said 2 years later at a memorial service?

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

As someone from Australia I am surprised to hear this. After searching I couldn’t find any ’innocent people accused of crimes because their touch DNA was on objects used in crimes only to find out the accused was never at the crime” directly due to the transfer issues raised in the study. Could you possibly give some links to these cases?

There have been instances in Australia from a few years ago (e.g. 2004, 2008) where forensic labs have bungled DNA testing procedures leading to the wrong conviction/no conviction, but these are not a result of the transfer issues with touch DNA, so don't appear to support the argument that BK may be an innocent victim of these issues.

Hopefully I’ve linked some articles to these ‘bungles’ below. This is my first post so it’s very possible it hasn’t worked

MOO JMO

Innocent man convicted after DNA bungle

The man protested his innocence but was told no one would believe him.

thewest.com.au

Australia police reopen 7,000 cases after DNA error

Australian police will re-examine 7,000 crimes solved through DNA evidence after a mistake forced detectives to free a suspect wrongly accused of murder.

www.reuters.com

I’m behind with good reason (for those who don’t know, Moscow & our surrounding areas had a massive natural gas outage a week ago that’s almost resolved), but I wanted to belatedly welcome you & thank you for sharing your perspective & those helpful links! And kudos for figuring out how to share links on the first try — I seem to remember I wasn’t as successful, LOL!

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

P are going to be able to show that SV1 exited the King Road neighbourhood via Conestoga and onto Palouse, Moo. From there all that needs to be done is to show that SV1 did not loop round and head north, east/north-east or North and then west out of Moscow. The video canvas is very likely Imo to have covered those arteries. As to heading west along Sand Road - google street view shows quite a few residential cameras on sparse properties after Snow road intersection. The P''s job will be to connect SV1 with BK's elantra which appears on the radar at 4.48am when BK switches phone back on, on the Hwy heading south near Blaine (after which it pings it way back to Pullman to be captured on camera multiple times as it 'heads towards BK's place). Imo, P will be able to demonstrate that SV1 had to have gone south from Conestoga (either direct down hwy or via Snow road to hwy (country road, no cameras). Speculation and Moo.
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RBBM

If BK took rural roads to try to avoid being seen on traffic cams & surveillance cameras on the highways, he may be in for a very unpleasant surprise, MOO: there are tons of private surveillance cams, trail cams, etc out along those rural roads.

IOW, he may have been to clever by half.

 

[gliving]

There were additional people other than the two surviving roommates inside the house where four University of Idaho students were found stabbed to death at the time the 911 call was made, police revealed Sunday. According to Moscow Police Chief James Fry, the 911 call was made using one of those roommates' phones, but he would not confirm the caller's identity.

Idaho college murders: Other friends were in house when 911 call made, police say

Police in Moscow, Idaho, said other friends were in the house when a 911 call was made following the fatal stabbings of four University of Idaho students a week ago.

abcnews.go.com

We learned this Nov 20 2022.

My favorite WS quote: Facts aren't feelings and feelings aren't facts.

 

[DeDee]

He looks that way in every hearing, IMO. He smirks, and looks very smug, like he is sure he will beat this.

Someone who was innocent and falsely accused of a quadruple murder, would not look so smug and pleased with himself, IMO. I think he'd be very worried and anxious, not arrogant and calm, cool and collected. JMO

Trial for Idaho college killings suspect Bryan Kohberger delayed indefinitely - ABC News​

Bryan is not looking at her, his attorney, Ann Taylor. He's looking into the camera. How frightening.

 

[Cool Cats]

Bryan is not looking at her, his attorney, Ann Taylor. He's looking into the camera. How frightening.

Smiling for the camera, gross.

 

[Balthazar]

There were additional people other than the two surviving roommates inside the house where four University of Idaho students were found stabbed to death at the time the 911 call was made, police revealed Sunday. According to Moscow Police Chief James Fry, the 911 call was made using one of those roommates' phones, but he would not confirm the caller's identity.

Idaho college murders: Other friends were in house when 911 call made, police say

Police in Moscow, Idaho, said other friends were in the house when a 911 call was made following the fatal stabbings of four University of Idaho students a week ago.

abcnews.go.com

We learned this Nov 20 2022.

My favorite WS quote: Facts aren't feelings and feelings aren't facts.

We can't be sure this is true, unfortunately. They may have expanded the one male friend to "friends" to keep it a secret as to who was there and found 2 of the victims. The article also claims the victims were all asleep when killed which we know is untrue.

 

[MadMcGoo]

University of Idaho honors 4 students with vigil one year after murders

One year following their tragic deaths, University of Idaho students honored their four classmates who were killed in their off-campus home.

www.krem.com

TIMESTAMP 21:54 “I still remember waking up that Sunday. My phone was blowing up. I had 27 missed calls from multiple people and messages primarily consisting of "I'm sorry Zanna", "Wake up Zanna", "Please text me as soon as you see this.". I remember being very scared and incredibly confused. I walked downstairs to find a majority of my upperclassmen in tears on the living room floor. There were many hours between when we all woke up that day and when Dean Eckles came to our house that night and announced the news. I know I had many conversations and long warm hugs. I know I used at least a whole box of tissues. And I vividly remember the FaceTime call to my parents later that night after Dean Eckles had told us. That Sunday was one of the longest yet shortest days of my life and somehow I don't remember a lot of it.”

 

[whiterhino]

@DeDee @CoolCats It's disturbing! My immediate thought was "who is that look for? who is he looking at?" but not someone in the room or the photographer. It's like he's looking at his audience