4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Dotta]

No news yet about when the trial will be scheduled, unfortunately.

As we approach the second Christmas without them, sending love & support to all the family, friends, and other loved ones of Xana, Ethan, Maddie, & Kaylee.

This time last year, BK was still footloose & fancy free This is his first holiday season behind bars where he belongs, MOO.

This holiday season, I’m extremely grateful for the thorough & diligent multi-agency LE investigation that identified the suspect & got him off the streets.

Thanks!
I will check the thread from time to time.
Is it a possibility of a trial before everybody involved get retired??

 

[Justice101]

Thanks!
I will check the thread from time to time.
Is it a possibility of a trial before everybody involved get retired??

I think many of us can remember the breaking news (first leaked and unofficial) that they had arrested a suspect in PA.

I remember the buzz on here from us doing a deep dive once BK's name was leaked.

How could this be? But then we saw he was a student at WSU and it all started to make sense.

The Moscow Police Dept as well as all of LE (state and federal) did a fantastic job keeping the lid on what was going on behind the scenes. THEY KNEW that they had a trail (white Elantra, bushy eyebrows, unknown DNA on a knife sheath) but didn't let on and trapped him in PA at his parents house.

So proud of Law Enforcement and the job they did and still do to this day!

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think many of us can remember the breaking news (first leaked and unofficial) that they had arrested a suspect in PA.

I remember the buzz on here from us doing a deep dive once BK's name was leaked.

How could this be? But then we saw he was a student at WSU and it all started to make sense.

The Moscow Police Dept as well as all of LE (state and federal) did a fantastic job keeping the lid on what was going on behind the scenes. THEY KNEW that they had a trail (white Elantra, bushy eyebrows, unknown DNA on a knife sheath) but didn't let on and trapped him in PA at his parents house.

So proud of Law Enforcement and the job they did and still do to this day!

Shocking news I must say, even though I didn't have a clue in my mind as to who it could have been at the time.

Totally agree with you, LE was exceptional here even working under the tremendous pressure of such a heinous crime. I think they may have had their sights on BK much earlier than we think. They played their cards close to the vest and were able to apprehend him without further loss of life.

Kudos to all who participated local LE, ISP, FBI, DA and even interstate PA LE. They should be proud of the job they have done in getting this killer off the streets. I know they, and the community, are ready for this trial to be over with and BK serving his LWOP sentence quietly off the public radar while the families and community try to begin to heal.

This is a story about the wonderful innocent victims lost Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan not BK.

MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

The UI has announced the King Rd house demo schedule:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735394212085211255

 

[whiterhino]

I remember when this story first broke and I was suspicious of all the new users on here.

I also remember Kaylees family saying she was a websleuther which is partly what kept me in this thread. Kaylee was one of "us". I really hope we've done right by everyone involved.

Also, I hope that this demolition is foreshadowing of BKs future case. Meaning that it's over and done for him. JMHO.

 

[Cool Cats]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

I think the confusion is because her mom specifically called her a Web Sleuth. This is from the

****Media Thread**** NO DISCUSSION​

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022 ****Media Thread**** NO DISCUSSION

Interview with Kaylee's mom and dad. 20th November. Reporter - We are joined by the parent's of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the victim's of this tragedy, C and S Goncalves, thank you so much for joining us and we're so sorry for your loss. C and S, can you tell me about your daughter, tonight...

www.websleuths.com

Interview with Kaylees's mom and dad:

Dad - My daughter was aware of an environment.

Mom - Very aware.

Dad - She'd turn her camera on. She would film when she thought somebody was following her out of a mall parking lot or a grocery store. She was very aware that, she was a pretty girl, and that could attract some problems. So, she was alert. She was a streetwise child.

Mom - She herself was a web sleuth. Literally through and through which is just so ironic and just so surreal and all of it, you know? Just very sad for families when she'd hear about this type of stuff happening, like, 'Mom, did you hear bout that or mom, did you hear about that?

She was very well of her surroundings, very well. I mean, she would think somebody was following her and she would call me, 'Mom, I think there's somebody following me', and I'm like 'well, Kaylee, call the police', then she'd say 'oh never mind, they just turned into 711'. I mean, she was aware, very aware and she locked her doors at night and she locked her car.

 

[Chloegirl]

Web sleuth in a more generic connotation. Makes sense.

Now, does anyone want to read into what this might mean for the case, the demo, the timing, BK getting a plea deal for giving details (wishful thinking). LWOP over DP? Curious. JMOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Web sleuth in a more generic connotation. Makes sense.

Now, does anyone want to read into what this might mean for the case, the demo, the timing, BK getting a plea deal for giving details (wishful thinking). LWOP over DP? Curious. JMOO

In my opinion....

It doesn't mean anything for the case except now we know for sure the jury won't be walking through it which is normal. It is not common for juries to walk through crime scenes. They have such good crime scene visuals for the jury now with the FARO Focus 3D Laser Scanner.

This month the defense wants to get some "last minute" information from the home for trial and the FBI was there on Halloween and got their "last minute" FARO Scans and drone footage done for the prosecution.

Agree, It would be the best thing if BK told all.

A plea deal is always a negotiation, the defense gives something in return for the prosecution giving something back. Both sides need to benefit in some way.

So how would the prosecution benefit from BK pleading guilty in exchange - for getting in return - LWOP? In my opinion they wouldn't be getting enough from a guilty plea because they already have a very compelling case and do not need a guilty plea to get a conviction. I believe they will easily get their guilty conviction.

But anyway, there is one key thing the families and the prosecutors do not have and would not get with just a guilty plea, and that is the details of all the aspects of the crime and also the motivation.

Now this is definitely something the families really want, the public wants, and the court wants. All the details of his crime, why did he do it? How did he choose the victims? Why kill 4? What happened step by step that night? How did he prepare? Etc....

The point I want to make is that I can see one reason and one reason only for the prosecution to offer BK the plea deal of dropping the DP and going with, as they call it in Idaho, a fixed life sentence.....

That he plead guilty along with giving detailed testimony of all the details of the crimes and of course his motivations, of which I believe to be multifaceted. This can include leading investigators to the knife and where other murder items are hidden. Plea deals can include all this as happened in the Ohio Rhoden family murders when 2 of the 4 defendants pleaded guilty in plea deals.

I want to add that there is a good reason why BK might be advised to not do a plea deal and that could be because when you admit guilt taking a plea deal, you lose your right to appeal. It is all over for you.

2 Cents

• Oct 31, 2023 Updated Nov 1, 2023

FBI at King Road house in Moscow for further investigation

MOSCOW, ID. -- The FBI is currently at the King Road house where four University of Idaho students were murdered last year.

www.kxly.com

 

[10ofRods]

Joe DeAngelo was allowed to plead guilty in a different state (California) without revealing a gosh darn thing. Still steams me.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

In my opinion....

It doesn't mean anything for the case except now we know for sure the jury won't be walking through it which is normal. It is not common for juries to walk through crime scenes. They have such good crime scene visuals for the jury now with the FARO Focus 3D Laser Scanner.

This month the defense wants to get some "last minute" information from the home for trial and the FBI was there on Halloween and got their "last minute" FARO Scans and drone footage done for the prosecution.

Agree, It would be the best thing if BK told all.

A plea deal is always a negotiation, the defense gives something in return for the prosecution giving something back. Both sides need to benefit in some way.

So how would the prosecution benefit from BK pleading guilty in exchange - for getting in return - LWOP? In my opinion they wouldn't be getting enough from a guilty plea because they already have a very compelling case and do not need a guilty plea to get a conviction. I believe they will easily get their guilty conviction.

But anyway, there is one key thing the families and the prosecutors do not have and would not get with just a guilty plea, and that is the details of all the aspects of the crime and also the motivation.

Now this is definitely something the families really want, the public wants, and the court wants. All the details of his crime, why did he do it? How did he choose the victims? Why kill 4? What happened step by step that night? How did he prepare? Etc....

The point I want to make is that I can see one reason and one reason only for the prosecution to offer BK the plea deal of dropping the DP and going with, as they call it in Idaho, a fixed life sentence.....

That he plead guilty along with giving detailed testimony of all the details of the crimes and of course his motivations, of which I believe to be multifaceted. This can include leading investigators to the knife and where other murder items are hidden. Plea deals can include all this as happened in the Ohio Rhoden family murders when 2 of the 4 defendants pleaded guilty in plea deals.

I want to add that there is a good reason why BK might be advised to not do a plea deal and that could be because when you admit guilt taking a plea deal, you lose your right to appeal. It is all over for you.

2 Cents

• Oct 31, 2023 Updated Nov 1, 2023

FBI at King Road house in Moscow for further investigation

MOSCOW, ID. -- The FBI is currently at the King Road house where four University of Idaho students were murdered last year.

www.kxly.com

Admittedly I was hesitant about the demolition of the house. I still have difficulty following the trail of destruction through that house in spite of all of the visual aids supplied by MSM and included here on WS. But now knowing that the state is using the FARO Focus 3D Laser Scanner to recreate a model to use as a visual aid in court, I am somewhat calmed.

Hopefully that plot of land will be transformed from a gaping wound into something more useful and uplifting.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/alex_brizee/status/1735406019910779133?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article283065773.html

[…]
Three of the victims’ families previously questioned destroying the house before Kohberger’s then-October trial. Gray told the Statesman by email that they would release a statement Friday on the demolition.

“I think all of the families assumed that the King Road address would not be demolished until the trial’s over,” Shanon Gray, attorney for the Goncalves family, previously told the Statesman by email.

[…]

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/haadiyatariq/status/1735389822976737505?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

 

[whiterhino]

<modsnip>

My only question regarding the demolition is what if the jury is undecided or finds not guilty? I can understand if/why anyone might have wanted to wait until after the trial. I don't know why the demolition makes me uneasy. JMO.

 

[iamshadow21]

Joe DeAngelo was allowed to plead guilty in a different state (California) without revealing a gosh darn thing. Still steams me.

He did admit responsibility for a whole lot of cases where the statute of limitations was expired and they couldn't have charged him, no matter how good the evidence. I think that meant a lot to the survivors. Sometimes, that kind of admission is all you get. And when the crimes happened fifty odd years ago, they were lucky to get a live perp up the steps at all. Still is remarkable to me.

MOO

 

[al66pine]

(Possible?) Plea Agreement for Details.

....Agree, It would be the best thing if BK told all.
A plea deal is always a negotiation....
So how would the prosecution benefit from BK pleading guilty in exchange - for getting in return - LWOP?....
... the families really want, the public wants, and the court wants. All the details of his crime, why did he do it? How did he choose the victims? Why kill 4? What happened step by step that night? How did he prepare? Etc....
That he plead guilty along with giving detailed testimony of all the details of the crimes and of course his motivations, of which I believe to be multifaceted.....

snipped for focus @Cool Cats TY for your thoughtful post. Yes, in some cases a Plea-for-Details may help some of the above groups (families, survivors, victims, etc) w closure (in whatever sense for those individuals).

Warning: Possibly Unpopular Issue.

One other point comes to mind about the Plea-for-Details idea, when promoted ---> so those in behavorial science or mental health fields can "learn more." A post on another website asked -

What can be learned about criminal minds & behaviors, when a def't has no or limited incentive to be truthful?

IDK. Who is in a position to know, to verify the truth of what a murderer says about his own motivation, rationale, bases for behavior, etc?
(obvsly, prosecution has forensic evd. to refute claims def't's claims re digital, GPS, other kinds of data, etc.).

Not saying that such a plea arrangement is /is not appropriate in this case. Again, IDK

But like others here, I wanna see the perp convicted and sentenced.
ASAP.
STAT.
PRONTO.

_________________________________

This is not on all fours w. Uni. ID-4 case
(acknowledging waaaay different circumstances) but nevertheless ---
Son of Sam" David Berkowitz, NYC, NY, 1977.
He confessed to eight shootings, said he obeyed orders of a demon black dog of his neighbor, "Sam." After being found mentally competent to stand trial, he pled guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences, w possibility of parole after 25 years. Later admitted that the dog-and-devil story was a hoax.
^ David Berkowitz - Wikipedia

 

[Boxer]

Joe DeAngelo was allowed to plead guilty in a different state (California) without revealing a gosh darn thing. Still steams me.

Complicated and grotesque.

Golden State Killer's 'unusual' plea deal allows victims their day in court

The Golden State Killer admitted to terrorizing 87 people during a spree of nearly 200 crimes, giving each victim a chance to voice that trauma at his August sentencing hearing.

www.vcstar.com

 

[Sleuth2010]

https://x.com/alex_brizee/status/1735406019910779133?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

View attachment 468109

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article283065773.html

[…]
Three of the victims’ families previously questioned destroying the house before Kohberger’s then-October trial. Gray told the Statesman by email that they would release a statement Friday on the demolition.

“I think all of the families assumed that the King Road address would not be demolished until the trial’s over,” Shanon Gray, attorney for the Goncalves family, previously told the Statesman by email.

[…]

IMO

These familes are suffering terribly. This is a crime scene that could be preserved, until after the trial and sentencing, as Mr. Goncalves requested... the vicims lived and died there. LIVED.
In all major cities, privacy fences can be installed, as seen near freeways, mansions, hospitals, etc. etc. With good, safe, super privacy construction.

Please let the wishes of the families and preservation of the crime scene remain, along with a little common sense and compassion.

Healing gardens to follow as the years go by...

IMO MOO

Thank you again to all law enforcement. An incredible, outstanding job well done.

 

[arielilane]

Admittedly I was hesitant about the demolition of the house. I still have difficulty following the trail of destruction through that house in spite of all of the visual aids supplied by MSM and included here on WS. But now knowing that the state is using the FARO Focus 3D Laser Scanner to recreate a model to use as a visual aid in court, I am somewhat calmed.

Hopefully that plot of land will be transformed from a gaping wound into something more useful and uplifting.

I agree, and with technology, a visual eye sore of the nightmare, which took place there is not needed as a reminder of what happened there or is it necessary to maintain the property. Also, it's most likely a tourist attraction?

I believe the State can make their case w/o the crime house.
moo

 

[Justice101]

In my opinion....

It doesn't mean anything for the case except now we know for sure the jury won't be walking through it which is normal. It is not common for juries to walk through crime scenes. They have such good crime scene visuals for the jury now with the FARO Focus 3D Laser Scanner.

This month the defense wants to get some "last minute" information from the home for trial and the FBI was there on Halloween and got their "last minute" FARO Scans and drone footage done for the prosecution.

Agree, It would be the best thing if BK told all.

A plea deal is always a negotiation, the defense gives something in return for the prosecution giving something back. Both sides need to benefit in some way.

So how would the prosecution benefit from BK pleading guilty in exchange - for getting in return - LWOP? In my opinion they wouldn't be getting enough from a guilty plea because they already have a very compelling case and do not need a guilty plea to get a conviction. I believe they will easily get their guilty conviction.

But anyway, there is one key thing the families and the prosecutors do not have and would not get with just a guilty plea, and that is the details of all the aspects of the crime and also the motivation.

Now this is definitely something the families really want, the public wants, and the court wants. All the details of his crime, why did he do it? How did he choose the victims? Why kill 4? What happened step by step that night? How did he prepare? Etc....

The point I want to make is that I can see one reason and one reason only for the prosecution to offer BK the plea deal of dropping the DP and going with, as they call it in Idaho, a fixed life sentence.....

That he plead guilty along with giving detailed testimony of all the details of the crimes and of course his motivations, of which I believe to be multifaceted. This can include leading investigators to the knife and where other murder items are hidden. Plea deals can include all this as happened in the Ohio Rhoden family murders when 2 of the 4 defendants pleaded guilty in plea deals.

I want to add that there is a good reason why BK might be advised to not do a plea deal and that could be because when you admit guilt taking a plea deal, you lose your right to appeal. It is all over for you.

2 Cents

• Oct 31, 2023 Updated Nov 1, 2023

FBI at King Road house in Moscow for further investigation

MOSCOW, ID. -- The FBI is currently at the King Road house where four University of Idaho students were murdered last year.

www.kxly.com

Looks like 3D laser mapping

 

[ktm44]

IMO

These familes are suffering terribly. This is a crime scene that could be preserved, until after the trial and sentencing, as Mr. Goncalves requested... the vicims lived and died there. LIVED.
In all major cities, privacy fences can be installed, as seen near freeways, mansions, hospitals, etc. etc. With good, safe, super privacy construction.

Please let the wishes of the families and preservation of the crime scene remain, along with a little common sense and compassion.

Healing gardens to follow as the years go by...

IMO MOO

Thank you again to all law enforcement. An incredible, outstanding job well done.

Ethan's mother has indicated that seeing the house every day has been very difficult for his siblings and I believe one of their rooms faces the house where their brother was murdered.

All the families and the community are struggling and I believe this does need to be handled with compassion but I don't think it matters how the house is handled, somebody is going to be uhappy.

I know SG keeps suggesting that the there could me missed evidence but at this point, any new evidence that may be found would be considered contaminated because of the volume of people who have been in and out of the house. It has also been said that the house doesn't look like it did. Furniture has been removed, it has been said that portions of walls and floors could have possibly been removed as evidence and there may be an associated biohazzard risk for anyone entering the house.