5/15/2012--Sentencing

  • #641
Thank you Otto for the link. I don't believe MR has a chance in hell of taking advantage of the "faint hope clause". He shouldn't be entitled IMHO because he maintained and still maintains his innocence. The parole board will look at him and and laugh. He's a total psychopathic 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and that will never change. MOO

Will he ever see freedom again?
At the 15-year mark, the so-called “faint hope” clause kicks in, allowing the prisoner to seek permission to make a parole application. But most killers are turned down, and in this instance, the notoriety and extraordinary viciousness of the circumstances all but ensure that Mr. Rafferty will not be freed at that point – if ever. However, he likely cannot be ruled a “dangerous offender,” which spells an indefinite sentence, because that requires prosecutors to show a pattern to the criminality. And aside from a brush with the law when he was a juvenile, Mr. Rafferty had until Friday never been convicted of anything.


Where will he be imprisoned?
After TuesdayÂ’s hearing, his next stop will be Millhaven Institution, the maximum-security penitentiary west of Kingston that doubles as a classification centre, where he will spend about six weeks. After that he will either remain in Millhaven or be dispatched to another maximum-security prison, And for a sex killer such as him, the traditional destination would be Kingston Penitentiary, the 177-year-old fortress that is home to Paul Bernardo, Russell Williams and more than 400 of CanadaÂ’s other most dangerous inmates. But Kingston Pen is to be shut down at some unspecified date, the Stephen Harper government recently announced, even though the federal prison system is chock-full. So conceivably Mr. Rafferty will be sent elsewhere.


In sum, the once-gregarious sex killer who described himself on Facebook as “complex, with lots of layers,” is facing a recipe for despair: A claustrophobic, empty future almost entirely devoid of hope.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...er-getting-out/article2430837/?service=mobile
 
  • #642
on was on page 18 yesterday and read a post about the astrology thread.. and so i went there and read the whole thread til midnight.. all i can say is WOW does it really hit it on the head in retrospect... hopefully MR never ever gets released

now i'll have to catch up here :)
 
  • #643
How come I feel that Rafeferty and Bernardo are going to get along just fine?

i agree, they probably will, they have alot in common :banghead:
 
  • #644
on was on page 18 yesterday and read a post about the astrology thread.. and so i went there and read the whole thread til midnight.. all i can say is WOW does it really hit it on the head in retrospect... hopefully MR never ever gets released

now i'll have to catch up here :)

I went back and reread the thread too, pretty amazing stuff!!!!
 
  • #645
OT: The Greyhound Bus decapitator has been given day passes ... four years after he cut off the head of another random passenger on the bus.

Yeah, Vince Li. He was declared NCR. It is such a fine line, because IMO we can't just throw people with mental illnesses in jail, but this is way too lenient.
 
  • #646

Nor will he be getting many visitors. Aside from his distressed mother, who showed up briefly, no relatives or supporters appeared at his trial. Even before his arrest, he appeared to be almost entirely friendless, aside from the many gullible young women he befriended on the dating web site PlentyofFish.com.

I'm actually surprised that more hasn't come out from the women he dated, considering there were so many of them. I mean, we get the impression that he is a disgusting, deviant, psychopath, drug addict, and I'm not sure how he could have masked that so well. But it seems he did... I was shocked to see on the PoF profile that he had something like 30 "favorites". Ugh.

A lot of bad stories have come out, of course, but it's still weird to me that there seemed to be a number of people who were willing to stand up for him (well, at least anonymously), some up until the very last days when the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 stuff came out. Why were some people were so convinced of his innocence, even in the face of credible evidence against him? It's also scary that he was lurking around all of these women and their children for so long and that many didn't see his 'dark side'. Were there really no signs? Was he charming enough to ignore them?

Not being critical of anyone. It's more that I think 'gullible young women on PoF' doesn't really capture all of this. It may be easy now to match up checklists that indicate MR is a psychopath or misogynist, but I wonder whether or not people who knew him look back and see the signs that things were not right.
 
  • #647
on was on page 18 yesterday and read a post about the astrology thread.. and so i went there and read the whole thread til midnight.. all i can say is WOW does it really hit it on the head in retrospect... hopefully MR never ever gets released

now i'll have to catch up here :)

yes they were pretty bang on about many things....especially where VS could be found....and in the end, she was found in a very similar detailed spot as the astrologers said she would....pretty amazing stuff on that thread!!!!
 
  • #648
I'm actually surprised that more hasn't come out from the women he dated, considering there were so many of them. I mean, we get the impression that he is a disgusting, deviant, psychopath, drug addict, and I'm not sure how he could have masked that so well. But it seems he did... I was shocked to see on the PoF profile that he had something like 30 "favorites". Ugh.

A lot of bad stories have come out, of course, but it's still weird to me that there seemed to be a number of people who were willing to stand up for him (well, at least anonymously), some up until the very last days when the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 stuff came out. Why were some people were so convinced of his innocence, even in the face of credible evidence against him? It's also scary that he was lurking around all of these women and their children for so long and that many didn't see his 'dark side'. Were there really no signs? Was he charming enough to ignore them? Not being critical of anyone. It's more that I think 'gullible young women on PoF' doesn't really capture all of this. It may be easy now to match up checklists that indicate MR is a psychopath or misogynist, but I wonder whether or not people who knew him look back and see the signs that things were not right.

Psychopaths are very good at hiding these signs...many do not show them, they show you what you want to see, to impress others to like them.

I can imagine that his ex gf's are just glad this is all over with...I wouldn't want the media in my face to further tell yet more stories about MR. We all know he is a sexual deviant scum of the earth .... what more do we need to hear? I would want to forget about him, the case, etc to move on with my life. MOO
 
  • #649
OT: The Greyhound Bus decapitator has been given day passes ... four years after he cut off the head of another random passenger on the bus.

That makes me sick he should be institutionalized forever
 
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  • #652
Psychopaths are very good at hiding these signs...many do not show them, they show you what you want to see, to impress others to like them.

I can imagine that his ex gf's are just glad this is all over with...I wouldn't want the media in my face to further tell yet more stories about MR. We all know he is a sexual deviant scum of the earth .... what more do we need to hear? I would want to forget about him, the case, etc to move on with my life. MOO

Oh, I totally agree. It's not that I want or need to hear the stories... my curiosity is more about whether there were signs. I think it just freaks me out to think that there can be all of this evil lurking under the surface of people that just seem relatively normal... It's hard not to think about when you spend time reading about such a violent and sad case.
 
  • #653
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Because like some other subjects - religion, politics - nobody's argument is going to change anyone's mind on the subject, and so we provide a place for people to dispense with logic and say things like "I thought you were smart until you said you believe in X" that we don't say in the public areas.

It's better that way.

ok this is understandable and I agree on this.

But please leave Charles Adler out of the forum too.
 
  • #654
I haven't read all of this book yet, but so far, it is good reading...

It is called:

"the sociopath next door"

The author is Martha Stout, ph.d.

This passage is written on the cover:

"1 in 25 ordinary Americans secretly has no conscience and can do anything at all without feeling guilty. Who is the devil you know?"
 
  • #655
Oh, I totally agree. It's not that I want or need to hear the stories... my curiosity is more about whether there were signs. I think it just freaks me out to think that there can be all of this evil lurking under the surface of people that just seem relatively normal... It's hard not to think about when you spend time reading about such a violent and sad case.

I think that when sociopaths are young, like Rafferty, at 28 years old, they are pretty good at both hiding their disorders and also simply getting away with abnormal behavior when it does surface. One problem I see is that their victims have no experience with someone like that ... so they fall into the category of thinking they can fix him (when they see something abnormal), or they feel responsible for problems when they arise (this is what the sociopath likes ... blame the victim). I'm of the opinion that when the sociopath gets older, his victims are older and wiser and the sociopaths ugly personality becomes more and more transparent through facial expressions.
 
  • #656
"The woman accused of abducting her infant daughter and hiding with her in British Columbia for 18 years will remain in police custody after a brief court appearance in a Toronto courtroom on Monday."[/COLOR]

http://www.thestar.com/news/article...s-father-eager-to-reconnect-with-his-daughter

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/12/05/abduction-obyrne-chisholm-court.html

Under the current system, this child's mother faces 4 years in prison. How should the law change to include all forms of child abduction/kidnapping?
I believe the bill currently before parliament C-299 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (kidnapping of young person) Sponsor David Wilks (Kootenay—Columbia) is to give a 10-year sentence for child kidnapping where the kidnapper is unknown to the child. That wouldn't include custody dispute kidnappings.
 
  • #657
I would like to see RW bunk with MR. I wonder if MR is privy to ordering items on line? He liked purchasing gifts for his "friends". Maybe he could order a purple ballgown and purple lingerie which RW would be very grateful for. I bet RW misses him mass collection he once owned. :sick: For some reason though, I cannot see RW play the feminine role between these two, so maybe they won't work out as cellmates. MR would be more fitting; femme fatale. :floorlaugh: :moo:

Oh, I don't know. Russ might turn Mychol on.

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  • #658
I believe the bill currently before parliament C-299 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (kidnapping of young person) Sponsor David Wilks (Kootenay—Columbia) is to give a 10-year sentence for child kidnapping where the kidnapper is unknown to the child. That wouldn't include custody dispute kidnappings.

In reading the summary, I don't see anything specifying that the kidnapped person is unknown to the kidnapper. Is more to it? I completely disagree with the bill if it would also include parents that, for whatever desperate reason, kidnap their own children.

"This enactment amends the Criminal Code to prescribe a minimum punishment of five years when a kidnap victim is under sixteen years of age." I think it's now 5-7 if a weapon is used and 4 if no weapon is used. What am I missing?

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5144706&File=24

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Mode=1&Language=E&billId=5134262&View=0
 
  • #659
[The Greyhound Bus decapitator]

Yeah, Vince Li. He was declared NCR. It is such a fine line, because IMO we can't just throw people with mental illnesses in jail, but this is way too lenient.
Apparently he's fine when on meds, but can become a killer when not. He should never be released without 24/7 supervision in case he decided to stop medication because he didn't like the way it made him feel.
 
  • #660
I'm actually surprised that more hasn't come out from the women he dated, considering there were so many of them. I mean, we get the impression that he is a disgusting, deviant, psychopath, drug addict, and I'm not sure how he could have masked that so well. But it seems he did... I was shocked to see on the PoF profile that he had something like 30 "favorites". Ugh.

A lot of bad stories have come out, of course, but it's still weird to me that there seemed to be a number of people who were willing to stand up for him (well, at least anonymously), some up until the very last days when the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 stuff came out. Why were some people were so convinced of his innocence, even in the face of credible evidence against him? It's also scary that he was lurking around all of these women and their children for so long and that many didn't see his 'dark side'. Were there really no signs? Was he charming enough to ignore them?

Not being critical of anyone. It's more that I think 'gullible young women on PoF' doesn't really capture all of this. It may be easy now to match up checklists that indicate MR is a psychopath or misogynist, but I wonder whether or not people who knew him look back and see the signs that things were not right.

I'm willing to bet that there could be someone among those many PoF girlfriends who believes he's not guilty and got a raw deal and may want to visit him. There could also be someone among them who wouldn't mind seeing a pedophile. Such women exist.
 

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