5801 Eagle Drive for sale

[j2mirish]

Is there any chance we could keep the fish and get rid of the husband??? Just kidding! That house is way too big for just me and my nephew... it's got a kazillion bedrooms! It does look like a lovely home, though, doesn't it.

lets talk......not a bad idea...LOLOLOL

 

[HeartofTexas]

J2, we may need to keep him around after all, especially if he's "handy" with things like installing air-conditioning!

 

[HeartofTexas]

I also think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot.

So many people, even after all of these years, comment on where the trial was held or the change of venue. I just want to remind everyone that there would have been NO change of venue if Doug Mulder hadn't requested one. As soon as he was assigned Kerrville, though, he knew he had made a big mistake and tried to have it changed again, but to no avail. He was the one that set that ball in motion so, if you want to blame someone, blame him. He knew when he requested the change of venue that he had to take the roll of the dice. He was hoping they would get lucky, but they didn't.

And, as far as a new trial for Darlie, I say no way! She was the most beligerant witness I've ever encountered on the stand and was definitely her own worst enemy. Heck, just sitting at the defense table was a bit much for her to control the looks and sneers on her face. Someone should have had the foresight to lock her in a closet before that trial began. If I'd seen her roll her eyes one more time, I would have come unglued!

 

[beesy]

Sorry I didnt reply sooner. I havent been on since my last post. If it was Darin, Darlie didn't realize it. Truthfully I think that she was so traumatized, in shock, and yea I do think that she passed out either from lack of oxygen or shock, that she wouldn't have known it was Darin if it had been. She would have no reason to cover for him. Maybe she refuses to believe that it could be him. There are a lot of senerio's that I still see as very plausible, more plausible than suddenly taking a dive off into the deep end and stabbing her kids.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Darin stabbed the boys or attacked Darlie. There is tons of evidence however which says that Darlie killed the boys and cut herself. Why do you believe it was Darin? And IF it were Darin, why didn't kill he Darlie. The only adult???? He would have no guarantee that she wouldn't tell on him. There are no witness statements which include Darlie passing out. When did she lose oxygen? Her neck wound in no way affected her ability to breathe. In "In Her Own Words" by Darlie, she says she passed out 2x. Both in front of witnesses who say she never passed out. She showed no signs of typical trauma reactions, by her own statements, such as blurred vision, blurred voices, slow motion. Yet, when Darin first runs down the stairs, he experiences some of these things.

A lot has been said about "overkill" with the boys. I don't see it that way. Devon was only stabbed twice. I do believe he tried to get up which resulted in the second stab wound. He is the one that was the most difficult for Darlie. The rage would have been taken out on him if she'd done it

I don't hear many people at all say "overkill" about the Routier murders. If they do, they don't know what they are talking about. Devon fell asleep in the exact spot he was found in. Most likely he picked up his feet to kick his killer(DARLIE). There is a nick on his buttocks which probably resulted from a kick causing the knife to slip. Only the Darlies believe Devon stood up. There is a proven theory about killers. Most men stab underhanded and most women stab overhanded. If Devon had stood up and the killer was male, then most likely as least one of his wounds would have been lower.

Damon, momma's boy, was the one with "overkill", but if you look at it from a different angle it might not have been rage but more because the poor little guy wouldn't die! I think he moved around and was able to fight more, resulting in stab wounds hitting bone, and so many of them.

Damon was lying on his back and there was no "overkill" there either. Overkill is when the victim receives a fatal wound, yet the killer continues the attack. Damon was stabbed in the back and found on his back, he wasn't able to fight her, but he did crawl away.

I have studied the evidence. I have been so intrigued with this case since it happened. SOOO I am certainly not going on Christopher Wayne Browns word. Good grief, where was he going with his ideas? Devon was right handed so he always laid on his right side. What kind of dumb thing is that to say? Everybody knows that in a sleeping state everyone moves multiple times. Not that that is the only stupid thing he said, but that one has always made me cringe, and I have never heard any one else comment on it

The only thing you should gain from Chris Brown's book is some knowledge of the crime scene. You know what you just said about Devon sleeping on his right side because he's right-handed, once you study the real evidence you'll see that everything else he writes is just as dumb.

think that LE was just a little too eager to close this case up for publicity sake.

What would LE gain by arresting the wrong person, especially the mother, for gosh sakes?

I

also think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot

You do know that her original defense attorney asked for a change of venue, don't you? Then the DA and the defense make a list of places they'd like to have the trial. The judge then decides from that list. When Mulder came on and realized where Darlie's trial was to take place, he again asked for a change of venue. It was denied, which is not uncommon. Nobody was out to "get" Darlie.

All in all, I think she needs a new trial in a new area. We have certainly spent tax payers money more poorly in the past and will in the future, so what would it hurt

She won't get a new trial. She has used up all her state appeals and only has her federal ones left. Why do you think all the people who have made a decision on her case haven't granted a new trial? There's nothing there to grant. Having bad luck by getting, per her request, the trial moved to a town which then later they realized would nail her isn't a reason for a new trial.

 

[j2mirish]

J2, we may need to keep him around after all, especially if he's "handy" with things like installing air-conditioning!

another great idea! and yes-- he is worth keeping around!! very handy.......

 

[Goody]

Sorry I didnt reply sooner. I havent been on since my last post.

No problem. We are few but we are usually here somewhere. :dance:

If it was Darin, Darlie didn't realize it. Truthfully I think that she was so traumatized, in shock, and yea I do think that she passed out either from lack of oxygen or shock, that she wouldn't have known it was Darin if it had been. She would have no reason to cover for him. Maybe she refuses to believe that it could be him. There are a lot of senerio's that I still see as very plausible, more plausible than suddenly taking a dive off into the deep end and stabbing her kids.

Have you read Darlie's testimony? Did you know at the time of the trial that her friend Mercedes was said to have gone to reporters with a story that the defense had asked her to change her testimony about where Darlie said the intruder was. Mercedes got upset and created quite a scene, according to Patricia Springer (I think iit was her). When you read Darlie's testimony and see how she is doing everything she can to avoid calling Mercedes a liar is quite interesting, esp since Mercedes didn't testify.

I think if Darin did it, Darlie had to know and that she had to lie about it. I don't believe the TA story because I know how TA works and it does not work like she is trying to convince us it does. And there is no other explanation for the blood on her shirt,except that she had to be in a position over the boys swinging that knife. If you don't believe me, conduct some tests of your own with chocolate syrup. Those droplets would not have landed like they did as she walked by Devon blowing blood out of his wounds. There are so many things that would be different about the droplets in that case. Not to mention it was too long of a distance for the blood to fly and land where they did.

I don't see how you can say something could be more plausible than her suddenly going off the deep in. Women do it all the time. It reaches across race, class, and locale. There is no way to say that one woman could and another could not.

A lot has been said about "overkill" with the boys. I don't see it that way. Devon was only stabbed twice. I do believe he tried to get up which resulted in the second stab wound. He is the one that was the most difficult for Darlie. The rage would have been taken out on him if she'd done it.

I agree. If Darlie did this out of anger, I think the problem was with Devon and Damon ended up just being collateral damage. I don't see the overkill either. The attacks look more methodical to me, as if someone had thought out what they were going to do and then set out to do it. I can't rule out emotion though or suddenness, but I tend to lean against it.

Damon, momma's boy, was the one with "overkill", but if you look at it from a different angle it might not have been rage but more because the poor little guy wouldn't die! I think he moved around and was able to fight more, resulting in stab wounds hitting bone, and so many of them.

I have sometimes wondered if maybe a different person attacked Damon because the wounds seems so different to me. That could be because he was stabbed in the back and there is more bone there, as you say. I think the reason there are more stab wounds to him is that the initial wounds were not well targeted like Devon's were, he didn't die, and had to be stabbed a couple of more times. It could be that a different person attacked him than who attacked Devon, or it could be that by the time Damon was attacked, the killer had less motivation.

I have a few different theories, some involving Darin directly or indirectly, and some not.
I have studied the evidence. I have been so intrigued with this case since it happened. SOOO I am certainly not going on Christopher Wayne Browns word. Good grief, where was he going with his ideas? Devon was right handed so he always laid on his right side. What kind of dumb thing is that to say? Everybody knows that in a sleeping state everyone moves multiple times. Not that that is the only stupid thing he said, but that one has always made me cringe, and I have never heard any one else comment on it.
As far as some evidence being held back... I can't remember the exact train of thought I was on when I said that just now. It's not a cop out. lol. I had a stroke when I was 23 (31 now) and it has left me with memory blogs.

O, how sad. I am sorry to hear that. But you are getting around much better now, aren't you? You posts seem well thought out.

Sometimes I cant remember where I was going with a thought. hehehe. I do think that LE was just a little too eager to close this case up for publicity sake. I also think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot.

I do, too. I think they should have spent more time interrogating both Darlie and Darin, instead of bringing in their interrogation expert a the last minute to try to get a rushed confession. They should have given him more time with her. And someone should have been working on Darin in another room. I bet if they had scared him, he would have spilled.

Sometimes what she says and does seems ALL wrong, but then again here I sit in my house, much like the one Darlie lived in, with my two little girls sound asleep upstairs and perfectly safe. I could speculate, but I pray to God that I will never know how I would react.
All in all, I think she needs a new trial in a new area. We have certainly spent tax payers money more poorly in the past and will in the future, so what would it hurt?

I would love to see a new trial with the hope that they would bring out more information, that more people would come forward to be interviewed. I don't feel we really know Darlie even now.

 

[Goody]

J2, we may need to keep him around after all, especially if he's "handy" with things like installing air-conditioning!

I wonder if he has great pecs. LOL! He might be great scenery.

 

[Goody]

That house is right around the corner from me! The streets are separated by a small road. It's in a really nice area, the historic district, as is ours. Our old Downtown has been revamped and is filled with houses like that. That house was just renovated this past year. So you can see the price differences in houses so close together like I said before. I can't believe they didn't put in A/C when they updated though. Odd. We have oil heat too. In the winter our electric bill is only about $75. Even with the oil prices being raised, it's still cheaper than running the electric heat all winter. And toastier, I love it. It is priced pretty steep, I doubt they'll get that for it. They are most likely trying to recoup the cost of the renovation. I thought it was older than that, but guess not.

Is that oil heat easy on the lungs???

 

[beesy]

another great idea! and yes-- he is worth keeping around!! very handy.......

Hey! wait a minute here! Where is my commission?

 

[Goody]

So many people, even after all of these years, comment on where the trial was held or the change of venue. I just want to remind everyone that there would have been NO change of venue if Doug Mulder hadn't requested one. As soon as he was assigned Kerrville, though, he knew he had made a big mistake and tried to have it changed again, but to no avail. He was the one that set that ball in motion so, if you want to blame someone, blame him. He knew when he requested the change of venue that he had to take the roll of the dice. He was hoping they would get lucky, but they didn't.

Actually it was the public defenders who asked for a change of venue. I think Kerrville was already decided on when Mulder took over,and he did try to get that changed. But he waited until they went to court in January, I think. By then the judge was not interested in delays.

And, as far as a new trial for Darlie, I say no way! She was the most beligerant witness I've ever encountered on the stand and was definitely her own worst enemy. Heck, just sitting at the defense table was a bit much for her to control the looks and sneers on her face. Someone should have had the foresight to lock her in a closet before that trial began. If I'd seen her roll her eyes one more time, I would have come unglued!

Were you a part of the case, Heart? Or maybe a spectator at the trial? I heard that Darlie did not shed a tear or show any change in emotion when the boys murder photos came up on the big screen. The jurors commenting on it where aghast at her lack of shock. I have never been able to understand how anyone could be that detached from their own children. Even if she did it, you'd think by trial time, some of hat distance would have melted away.

BTW, tell us more about the rolling of the eyes. That sounds interesting.

 

[Goody]

I really don't know. I don't think VA has coal mines though. If they do, it's not many. WV and PA are loaded with coal mines.
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Yeah Edgar Cayce's Foundation is near the Oceanfront somewhere. Jamestown, which is the 1st permanent Eng. colony in America is maybe 65 miles away. So is Colonial Williamsburg. Appomattox is about a 3 hour drive. There is tons of history in this part of VA since it's so close to Jamestown. I used to be the Director of a historic house museum.

Cool. If I am still around after my surgery, I will have to talk TJ into a little road trip.

 

[beesy]

Is that oil heat easy on the lungs???

I think so. I don't see why it wouldn't be. The old-timey coal furnaces are the ones which are killer for furniture and people. I don't get any dirt on the raditors from the furnace. I just get regular dust on those like in the rest of the house, so I try to keep them clean. It is extremly dry heat, but we just run a humidifier and put pots on the radiators. Isn't dry air good for lungs?

 

[Goody]

She won't get a new trial. She has used up all her state appeals and only has her federal ones left. Why do you think all the people who have made a decision on her case haven't granted a new trial? There's nothing there to grant. Having bad luck by getting, per her request, the trial moved to a town which then later they realized would nail her isn't a reason for a new trial.

Where the trial was held is not grounds for appeal anyway, but the federal appellate system is the most objective. I say if she has a chance, any chance at all for a new trial, it will be in the fed appeals. We just have to be patient and see if her attys can win one for her.

The good thing about a new trial is that that is when we will probably see the feathers fly. She has learned from past mistakes and knows now that she HAS to point fingers at Darin. And we all know how nervous that makes him. I suspect a whole lot more information will come out. So I am kind of hoping she does get a new trial.

 

[Mama-cita]

Is that oil heat easy on the lungs???

When hubby and I lived in NE we had oil heat. It is no different than GAS, just a different heat source. We had a big 200 gallon tank in our basement that had a valve on the outside that the oil company could come and fill. Actually what is nice with oil heat is that you don't have to worry about carbon monoxide. You never have to worry about a toxic gas leak either. I tried to convince hubby to change our current set-up from gas to oil after we had a gas leak, alas he could not be persuaded (okay so it would have cost tens of thousands of dollars to make the switch, but what's a little money where my peace of mind is concerned?)

 

[Goody]

I think so. I don't see why it wouldn't be. The old-timey coal furnaces are the ones which are killer for furniture and people. I don't get any dirt on the raditors from the furnace. I just get regular dust on those like in the rest of the house, so I try to keep them clean. It is extremly dry heat, but we just run a humidifier and put pots on the radiators. Isn't dry air good for lungs?

Dry heat is probably good. We have gas heat here and I have to run the air every once in awhile to keep the air moving. That stuff feels like it sucks all the 02 out of the air. So do you ever worry about going up in smoke with that oil heat? I am always afraid of a gas leak. Or even worse the propane tank blowing up. My neighbor built his kids swingset right next to our propane tank. I thought he was nuts, but they managed to grow up with getting blow up so I guess he knew what he was doing. hahahahah.

 

[Goody]

When hubby and I lived in NE we had oil heat. It is no different than GAS, just a different heat source. We had a big 200 gallon tank in our basement that had a valve on the outside that the oil company could come and fill. Actually what is nice with oil heat is that you don't have to worry about carbon monoxide. You never have to worry about a toxic gas leak either. I tried to convince hubby to change our current set-up from gas to oil after we had a gas leak, alas he could not be persuaded (okay so it would have cost tens of thousands of dollars to make the switch, but what's a little money where my peace of mind is concerned?)

LOL! I totally agree. Thanks for the info, too.

 

[beesy]

Actually it was the public defenders who asked for a change of venue. I think Kerrville was already decided on when Mulder took over,and he did try to get that changed. But he waited until they went to court in January, I think. By then the judge was not interested in delay

Yep, you got it right Goody

Were you a part of the case, Heart? Or maybe a spectator at the trial? I heard that Darlie did not shed a tear or show any change in emotion when the boys murder photos came up on the big screen. The jurors commenting on it where aghast at her lack of shock. I have never been able to understand how anyone could be that detached from their own children. Even if she did it, you'd think by trial time, some of hat distance would have melted away.
BTW, tell us more about the rolling of the eyes. That sounds interesting

She was "flat" during her testimony about the boys and showed no reaction to her son's pix, but I also read she was snappish during questioning. She was a bad witness, as you know from the transcripts, her story changed several times and she often fell back on her TA. I think it's Springer or maybe every author who comments on her sneering and rolling her eyes while seated at the defense table. She shook her head and whispered "no" alot. This is all from books, as you know, I wasn't there.
I've always found it funny that the Darlies and her family alway say she was "flat" because of the meds she was taking, Paxil and something else. But then other times, they say people are lying and that she was very emotional. They can't have it both ways. I'm on the strongest dose of Paxil. Shouldn't be a surprise to most of you. LOL..mainly they put me on it because I was constantly worrying I was going to have a seizure. Of course being upset about something can cause seizures. Obviously I am not "flat" emotionally! I have noticed I don't give a hoot about the house being clean whereas before I cleaned everday. Oh well. So Paxil does not take everything out of you at all, nor does it make you HAPPY

 

[beesy]

Cool. If I am still around after my surgery, I will have to talk TJ into a little road trip.

What do you mean by that Goody!? Don't talk like that please...upsets beesy

 

[Goody]

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I've always found it funny that the Darlies and her family alway say she was "flat" because of the meds she was taking, Paxil and something else. But then other times, they say people are lying and that she was very emotional. They can't have it both ways. I'm on the strongest dose of Paxil. Shouldn't be a surprise to most of you. LOL..mainly they put me on it because I was constantly worrying I was going to have a seizure. Of course being upset about something can cause seizures. Obviously I am not "flat" emotionally! I have noticed I don't give a hoot about the house being clean whereas before I cleaned everday. Oh well. So Paxil does not take everything out of you at all, nor does it make you HAPPY

That is true. I am on Paxil, too, and there is nothing flat about my effect. hahahahah. Trust me, these guys get on my case, sometimes they bite off more than they can chew. ahahahahhahahaha.

O, I take it ease the tension caused by tight muscles due to lack of 02. The less my lungs work, the harder my muscles try to compensate for them, and the tighter the muscles in the back of my neck stretch ..... tight like guitar strings. If I don't take a sleeping aid, the get taunt too. It really sucks. They will probably have to up my Paxil dosage when the steroids come in after surgery. Those things will really rattle ya!

 

[beesy]

Dry heat is probably good. We have gas heat here and I have to run the air every once in awhile to keep the air moving. That stuff feels like it sucks all the 02 out of the air. So do you ever worry about going up in smoke with that oil heat? I am always afraid of a gas leak. Or even worse the propane tank blowing up. My neighbor built his kids swingset right next to our propane tank. I thought he was nuts, but they managed to grow up with getting blow up so I guess he knew what he was doing. hahahahah.

No, it's not like gas at all. Nothing like a propane tank. Well there is a big tank, but it's different. It's huge for one thing and much sturdier than the propane tanks. If by some chance it did burst, you can see the oil, not like gas which you can't see. I don't see that happening though. Like she said, the oil dude comes to fill it up and there it is. Our tank is outside, but the furance is a little teeny basement. Very few people have basements around here and there are no full ones at all. Too close to sea level. The furnace heats our water too, which also cuts down on the electric bill. And we never run out of hot water like you can with an electric water heater.