7/24/10 - Law professor finds bloody child sock on Black Butte & questions the system

[Adrienne37]

This is ludicrous but sadly these types of things probably happen all over the country. Noone wants to take responsbility for anything anymore. LE all over the state of Oregon should have immediately known about the search for Kyron and a child's bloody sock should have prompted an immediate response from LE irregardless of what county the sock was found in. I'm sure the sock was probably innocent, i.e., maybe a child hiking with their parents who cut themselves and bled onto the sock but you can't take that chance. IMO.

 

[Billylee]

Good for the professor! If my son, grandson, or any other lovely child I know was missing, I'd hope there are many more like him around! I too am surprised that the state police did not trump the county sheriff's office.

My husband and a friend were hunting last year and they happened upon a license plate. They picked it up as trash and were going to chuck it when they got home. I saw it and said "No, you're not, I'm going to take it in to the OSP next time I go to town" They looked at me like I was nuts. The plate had current year tags, I went on to tell them, so I doubt it was off some ol' clunker. You never know what car this came off of, a stolen one, or one involved in some crime, like maybe the murder in Glendale. I'm taking it in. And I did.
I handed it over to the gal at the reception window and said my husband found this up in the mountains. She said they would run it, thanked me and got my number in the event they needed to know exactly where it was found. Well I never received a call back, so I'm guessing it wasn't involved in a crime. BUT...... my point is, "it's hard tellin'; not knowin".

There are many more children missing than just Kyron. Who knows whose sock it was and what the circumstances were? If it had been an adult size sock, then I guess one might have just brushed it off. But when a child is missing, why not show a little more concern!? Why the heck not? Good for you professor!

 

[ClueMeIn]

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... from where Kyron was last seen. If I found a bloody sock in my yard, out by the road, I would just toss it in the trash. I'll bet there are bloody socks in many locations closer to Skyline School. I think this guy was just trying to insert himself into the story. Hikers get bloody blisters. A bloody shirt or trousers, that's a little more meaningful. But a bloody sock- I'll bet I can find one in my son's room right now. I can understand why the local cops weren't interested in what this publicity hound had to say.

I have never ever ever come across a bloody sock, while hiking or camping, and we do a lot of both. I have never come across a bloody sock in my kids room. I have never come across a bloody sock period! We are a huge outdoorsy familly. We bike, hike, camp, play sports, etc. Never have I just come across a bloody sock. People act like this is the norm???

 

[Leila]

A bloody find on Black Butte and a broken system

On a recent Friday afternoon, I drove south out of Portland, headed for the soul-restoring Santiam Pass to my cabin on the Metolius River in Camp Sherman. It had been a busy workday, the day following our wedding anniversary, and the glorious Central Oregon night, with a huge moon and countless crystal stars in a clear sky, was all I'd hoped for.

Little did I know that in the next 24 hours, a routine morning hike and the discovery of a bloody sock on the trailhead would lead me into a tangle of bureaucratic bungling and jurisdictional disputes and the realization that a citizen trying to do the right thing can be thwarted by broken, dysfunctional systems.

Indeed, truth is stranger and sometimes more disturbing than fiction.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/web_exclusive_a_bloody_find_an.html

I read this article yesterday and it was a real let down to think that LE would argue over who had jurisdiction over the area where the sock was found and were unconcerned about the possibility that the sock might be evidence. This was a law professor who knew what the right thing to do was, and tried to get a police officer to take the sock into evidence. The sock was small, indicating it could be a child's sock. What if's abound! I wonder what happened to the sock eventually?

 

[Cajun Girl]

Seriously, that story was insane. Thank goodness he was a diligent being with patience to wade his way thru the insanity that seems to be LE in that town.

I agree with the folks who pointed out that even though this may not be relevant to the Kyron investigation, it could be the missing piece in another puzzle. Let's hope it wasn't tossed into a trash can somewhere and the evidence with it...

How very disturbing.

 

[tfrohning]

... from where Kyron was last seen. If I found a bloody sock in my yard, out by the road, I would just toss it in the trash. I'll bet there are bloody socks in many locations closer to Skyline School. I think this guy was just trying to insert himself into the story. Hikers get bloody blisters. A bloody shirt or trousers, that's a little more meaningful. But a bloody sock- I'll bet I can find one in my son's room right now. I can understand why the local cops weren't interested in what this publicity hound had to say.

I never found a bloody sock in all the parks and camping grounds I been too.

IMO all of LE should be on the look out for anything out normal and felt this was out normal and why would a park leave a car out there for over year?

This might have nothing to do with Kyron but it could have something to do with another crime. LE didn't do there job. IMO

 

[RubyRed]

... from where Kyron was last seen. If I found a bloody sock in my yard, out by the road, I would just toss it in the trash. I'll bet there are bloody socks in many locations closer to Skyline School. I think this guy was just trying to insert himself into the story. Hikers get bloody blisters. A bloody shirt or trousers, that's a little more meaningful. But a bloody sock- I'll bet I can find one in my son's room right now. I can understand why the local cops weren't interested in what this publicity hound had to say.

a small one, and there was no mistaking the blood. Not just the secondary rub-off from a scrape. NO, THERE WERE OBVIOUS POOLS OF BLOOD AT VARIOUS POINTS ON THE SOCK!

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/web_exclusive_a_bloody_find_an.html

I definitely would not shrug something like this off, it wasn't just from a scrape, there were pools of blood. 163 miles away is nothing when I consider the head start the perp had before Kyron was reported missing.

I have done hiking, camping and raised several children and never have I found a bloody sock outdoors let alone in their room.

That is definitely not normal. moo

 

[Morag]

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... from where Kyron was last seen. If I found a bloody sock in my yard, out by the road, I would just toss it in the trash. I'll bet there are bloody socks in many locations closer to Skyline School. I think this guy was just trying to insert himself into the story. Hikers get bloody blisters. A bloody shirt or trousers, that's a little more meaningful. But a bloody sock- I'll bet I can find one in my son's room right now. I can understand why the local cops weren't interested in what this publicity hound had to say.

I have never ever ever come across a bloody sock, while hiking or camping, and we do a lot of both. I have never come across a bloody sock in my kids room. I have never come across a bloody sock period! We are a huge outdoorsy familly. We bike, hike, camp, play sports, etc. Never have I just come across a bloody sock. People act like this is the norm???

I've certainly had cuts, rubbed spots, broken blisters on my feet. Usually by the time the sock is washed, the blood just looks like a brownish, dirty stain.
I don't think a cut foot is unusual in the least.

BTW, I googled images of "bloody sock" and got back 57.000 hits! A large number of them were for the famous World Series sock worn by a Red Sox (how appropriate!) player. But a bunch of them were pictures of ordinary peoples bloody sock (ewwww).

 

[Leila]

I would like to hear the actual 911 call. Does he say which agency eventually ends up with the sock? or did I just overlook it?

A police officer from the local police and an officer from the state police showed up at the professor's cabin at the same time and argued over who had jurisdiction. In the end, the local police officer prevailed. The professor asked to be kept informed and after several weeks has yet to be informed. In the article, several police said, "just throw it away" and I wonder if that's what happened?

 

[debs]

I'll ask again. Is there more than one Black Butte in Oregon, or is this the one outside of Roseburg?

 

[RubyRed]

I'll ask again. Is there more than one Black Butte in Oregon, or is this the one outside of Roseburg?

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/web_exclusive_a_bloody_find_an.html

 

[Leila]

I'll ask again. Is there more than one Black Butte in Oregon, or is this the one outside of Roseburg?

The Black Butte mentioned in this article is east of the Willamette National Forest in the central part of the state near Bend, and off Hyw 97 and 20. On a map of the state, it's east of Eugene by about 130 miles. This wasn't anywhere near Roseburg.

 

[Tuffy]

This is ludicrous but sadly these types of things probably happen all over the country. Noone wants to take responsbility for anything anymore. LE all over the state of Oregon should have immediately known about the search for Kyron and a child's bloody sock should have prompted an immediate response from LE irregardless of what county the sock was found in. I'm sure the sock was probably innocent, i.e., maybe a child hiking with their parents who cut themselves and bled onto the sock but you can't take that chance. IMO.

BBM

I wonder about this too, but from the article he describes quite a bit of blood.

"NO, THERE WERE OBVIOUS POOLS OF BLOOD AT VARIOUS POINTS ON THE SOCK!"

Pools of blood sounds like a substantial injury to me.

 

[Haeve]

According to GNIS, there are 37 summits named "Black Butte" in Oregon, but most people when talking about Black Butte are referring to this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Butte_(Oregon)

 

[tfrohning]

all I can say I hope they check the Lookouts.

http://web.oregon.com/hiking/black_butte.cfm

 

[Charlie09]

ok, I am not a fan of the PDX Police Department, and so far, I'm not sure I am a fan of MCSO - however,, this article is so written with a point to make 911 look bad it's almost laughable.

Let's look at it from the 911 perspective - (What is your emergency?) I have a bloody sock.
Not our department (remember emergencies) I'll put you through to the sheriff. - Totally appropriate response.

It's not at all unusual to see "sketchy" cars in and around black butte -
It's a resort area with lots of service people - and on the way to Bend (one direction) or to Salem/Portland the other direction. I think people forget how outdoorsy and rural most of Oregon is. It's not difficult to get your car dirty and dusty - especially if you're going camping with friends for a few days and are stopping at BB on the way home.

Why didn't someone who was going to hike a trail - not have water or a cell phone? Why didn't he just go take it to the Sheriff's dept and drop it off with a note for his contact information. Right down the hill from Black Butte is Sisters - there's a Sheriff's station there. Especially this time of year, it wouldn't be hard to find a Sheriff in town.

There are snakes, and rodents, there are stickers and thorns, there are blisters, kids ride mt. bikes and get hurt there....now, finding the CSI shirt bloodied, THAT would be worth this article. A sock with blood on it, with no "pools" of blood nearby is close to hysteria in my eyes.

 

[Adalena935]

This reminds me of Roy Kronk, persistently contacting LE and the Caylee tip line and telling coworkers of his suspicions about seeing a skull at the site off of Suburban where Caylee was finally found months later. Nobody took him seriously, despite his repeated attempts to get someone to just check into it. This worries me. Give me ONE good reason a child's sock with a lot of fresh blood on it found in an area that a child has been missing in for almost two months shouldn't be at least looked into?? you know, I was reassured that LE was doing a good job of following up on all the tips they've received (38 4" binders filled with tips, remember?), but now I'm just not as confident about it. :banghead: The only tiny comfort I can derive from this is maybe they already have a good idea where he might be, or have very solid evidence that makes them KNOW this isn't related. The possibility that they just aren't looking into something like this because they don't care is too frustrating to consider. Kyron, where are you baby boy?!

BBM

Yeah. Or the little boy who found the gun used in the Manson murders.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I have to admit that I have had bloody feet before from hiking with blisters - bad blisters and the wrong shoes.

But! I never took off my sock and threw it away off the path either - that doesn't make much sense. However, if someone did, a wild animal might carry it off.

But then again . . . a child's bloody sock? How would a child get blisters that bad? This is frightening and should have been investigated. I've never found any clothing with blood on them out in the woods.

:banghead:

 

[Adalena935]

ok, I am not a fan of the PDX Police Department, and so far, I'm not sure I am a fan of MCSO - however,, this article is so written with a point to make 911 look bad it's almost laughable.

Let's look at it from the 911 perspective - (What is your emergency?) I have a bloody sock.
Not our department (remember emergencies) I'll put you through to the sheriff. - Totally appropriate response.

It's not at all unusual to see "sketchy" cars in and around black butte -
It's a resort area with lots of service people - and on the way to Bend (one direction) or to Salem/Portland the other direction. I think people forget how outdoorsy and rural most of Oregon is. It's not difficult to get your car dirty and dusty - especially if you're going camping with friends for a few days and are stopping at BB on the way home.

Why didn't someone who was going to hike a trail - not have water or a cell phone? Why didn't he just go take it to the Sheriff's dept and drop it off with a note for his contact information. Right down the hill from Black Butte is Sisters - there's a Sheriff's station there. Especially this time of year, it wouldn't be hard to find a Sheriff in town.

There are snakes, and rodents, there are stickers and thorns, there are blisters, kids ride mt. bikes and get hurt there....now, finding the CSI shirt bloodied, THAT would be worth this article. A sock with blood on it, with no "pools" of blood nearby is close to hysteria in my eyes.

Cops thought one of Dahmer's victims was hysteria in the form of a lover's quarrel. http://investigation.discovery.com/...stories/jeffrey-dahmer/jeffrey-dahmer-08.html

This sock could be anything but what would it hurt to check it out? Is Kyron the only person missing in Oregon and/or neighboring states?

 

[Charlie09]

Cops thought one of Dahmer's victims was hysteria in the form of a lover's quarrel. http://investigation.discovery.com/...stories/jeffrey-dahmer/jeffrey-dahmer-08.html

This sock could be anything but what would it hurt to check it out? Is Kyron the only person missing in Oregon and/or neighboring states?

But 9-1-1 is not the appropriate place to check it out - computer systems have limitations - take it in directly - don't expect LE to come have coffee with you.


I personally have used a sock to wrap up and mop up - so to speak- a wound. I can think of a few other things you may use it for in case of emergency. A scrape on the leg that bleeds freely for a bit could easily create a bloody sock. I'm not discounting that it should be looked at, I'm saying there are procedures and he could have met them half way.