A New Look at Intruder Theories

There are many, many examples of killers not making it look like the parents did it. You're taking a leap just so we can lead the trail back to Patsy. The moment I saw this thread, I knew that was gonna happen, but didn't expect it to happen so quickly.

Think outside the box......and "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy!! doesn't exist there.

Oh really? So anyone who doesn't lead it back to Patsy is an illogical airhead?

This thread is pointless.


The thread title means well but is obviously deceiving, as we all know(even us illogical airheads) what direction it's going.

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The thread should be retitled "Patsy did it".




Having said that, I'll offer my opinion on the actual topic of the thread....

I think LE and everyone who has speculated on the case over the years made a mistake by simply labeling it an "intruder". It insinuates that the killer(s) were unknown to the family and just happened to walk up that night and pick their house out of the blue. I highly doubt anyone in the world actually thinks this crime was committed by a total stranger. Most murder victims are killed by someone they know, and that statistic is even higher regarding child murder victims. So whether or not it was a parent, the percentages are in favor of Jonbenet being murdered by someone she knew.

Of course, that can of worms being opened brings up the trillion dollar question.......who?

Well. pretty obvious we'll never know who exactly, mainly because of the authorities and the publics constant "Patsy did it! No, John did it! No, a strange intruder did it!, You're wrong! Patsy did it!!" This went on since the day it happened. The killer(s) is dead already from laughter.

So, lets take a look at a couple possible scenarios......

"The Stalker"

Why this isn't considered is mind boggling. She lived her life in the child pageant world surrounded by old men. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that men other than fathers or close relatives at these shows aren't there just to mingle. They're at these pageants to look at young girls. Jonbenet was a cute kid, so it wouldn't be surprising if one man became infatuated with her. In the pageant world, he could easily follow her from event to event and get to ogle her when he wants, and if local, would know her routine.

"The relationship/abuser"

Sounds gross, but don't really know how else to put it. As all of you know, she grew up in a sexual environment and a LOT of inappropriate things went on. While most kids her age aren't thinking about sex, a kid brought up in her environment would start getting those types of feelings. She would already know her looks bring her a certain status, power, etc. It doesn't take much of a leap from her undressing in front of strangers to having actual sexual contact with one(or more) of them. Not only was she a prime target for abuse, she was brought up in an environment where the abuse/relationship/whatever you want to call it could have been consensual. Don't take that out of context. Not blaming her for what happened, but when you are brought up from birth to be worshiped like some doll, its not very many steps away from abuse of some sort. When looking at her childhood and how she was raised, you literally start drowning in red flags. Its sickening that any child could be raised in such an environment, and probably plays a role in so much suspicion on her parents.

The abuser would have seen his/her life unraveling at just the thought of her leaving(the trip, moving). Not only would he not get to see her again, he would be risking her eventually telling someone. Once she was away from the abuse, she would be more likely to report it. So IF an abuser killed her, its like a "since I cant have you, no one can" situation.

This abuser could either be someone that was a stranger somewhat or an actual family friend/relative. Hell, it could even be a teenager in the neighborhood.

Also cant discount the possibility of some business associate either committing this crime, or paying someone else to do it.

Like I said in that other thread, she was killed basically hours before that trip was gonna take place. That isn't a coincidence no matter who killed her. Its a piece of the puzzle that was just tossed aside because it would have required actual brainstorming by investigators. Why bother thinking when her mother's sitting there loaded on downers and is an easy target? They took the easy way out by aiming their sights on Patsy, and the public followed like sheep to the slaughter.

Where did that line of thinking get them after twelve years?

Nowhere.

Hell, Patsy might have been able to actually help solve the case if the right questions had been answered. Instead, Barney Fife and society start blaming her before her daughter is even buried. Of course they're not gonna cooperate.

Hopefully one of these days someone with a brain opens those case files. In my opinion it can no longer be solved(and was unsolvable a mere hours after the murder), but maybe a legitimate attempt at piecing things together can finally happen.


By the way, whatever happened to Santa? Is he still giving "special presents" to little girls late at night, or is there some theory that Patsy is really Santa?

Who, besides a parent could have violated JonBenet to where the wearing of the hymen and enlargement if that private an area of her body was pointed out specificaly at autopsy?!? That is the million dollar question really isnt it.?
 
Who, besides a parent could have violated JonBenet to where the wearing of the hymen and enlargement if that private an area of her body was pointed out specificaly at autopsy?!? That is the million dollar question really isnt it.?

I'll say.
 
I can't explain to you what you dreamed up.

If PR had actually written the note, as RDI is so fond of clinging to despite minimal support from the ABFDE (no consensus on the idea PR wrote the note), she would've been pegged for it the next day. We wouldn't be wondering gee, did she write it or not, 10 years later.

They didn't take her because she screamed, she kicked, not enough tape on her mouth, it turned out she didn't have blue eyes and blond hair. Maybe they lost nerve and didn't want to get caught? She sure was ready to go, wasn't she. I mean with that wrist ligature, mouth tape, and blanket she was prepared to be taken, wasn't she.

We're not wondering. We already know.

And she was meant to LOOK like she was prepared to be taken. The wrist ligatures actually being unable to restrain anyone. The tape was put on an unconscious child, there was not evidence of her struggling to breathe or scream with the tape on her mouth.
 
We're not wondering. We already know.

And she was meant to LOOK like she was prepared to be taken. The wrist ligatures actually being unable to restrain anyone. The tape was put on an unconscious child, there was not evidence of her struggling to breathe or scream with the tape on her mouth.

You're kidding, right? You'll take an IDI theory, that JBR was prepared to be moved to a car, and now claim she was made to look that way.

You're going to need a source, any source anywhere, that said she was made to look like she was prepared to be taken.

I'll wait.
 
You're kidding, right? You'll take an IDI theory, that JBR was prepared to be moved to a car, and now claim she was made to look that way.

You're going to need a source, any source anywhere, that said she was made to look like she was prepared to be taken.

I'll wait.

Keep waiting. You'll need the same source to show that she was, in fact, being prepared to be taken and NOT simply being staged to look like she was. Were you there? I wasn't. Are you an R? I'm not. So the "fact" is that neither of us can PROVE anything. No one here can. These are OPINIONS. And you know it.
 
Keep waiting. You'll need the same source to show that she was, in fact, being prepared to be taken and NOT simply being staged to look like she was. Were you there? I wasn't. Are you an R? I'm not. So the "fact" is that neither of us can PROVE anything. No one here can. These are OPINIONS. And you know it.

This reminds me of the time it was noticed that PR misspelled 'advise' in both her right and left exemplars. RDI instantly decided that she did it on purpose, even though the observation that the word was misspelled was never made by RDI.

Here is the exact same thing. IDI noted that JBR was prepared to be taken by car. RDI having never even noticed, again instantly binds to it as more staging.

I hope you don't mind if I move on, with the idea that PR always misspelled advise (not just for the exemplars), and JBR was probably prepared to be removed from the house and placed in the car.
 
Never notices because it just wasn't done. And by all means, move on...
 
Pretty much. That's the core of it, for my part.

At least now we're getting somewhere. OK then suppose PR and/or JR killed JBR for whatever reason. They could've cut letters out of a magazine and pasted it on paper to read: "We have her, give us 118K, we call later, any cops she dies." This would have the same effect.

Thats 44 characters of untraceable magazine printing.

But oh yeah, I forgot. PR's an irrational drama queen, so instead of the untraceable route, she chooses to handwrite more than 1500 characters?

Are you for real believing this?

Are you expecting me to believe that PR is an irrational drama queen, just because you say so, without questioning it??

This is starting to get ridiculous.
 
Cutting the letters and making a RN (a la so many kidnapping movies) has to be done beforehand. This note was written after, as an explanation for why she was killed (i.e. parent disobeyed the note and called police - and half the town).
 
Cutting the letters and making a RN (a la so many kidnapping movies) has to be done beforehand. This note was written after, as an explanation for why she was killed (i.e. parent disobeyed the note and called police - and half the town).

Rule #337, parents pretending to be international ransom kidnappers are not allowed to cut and paste characters for their ransom note AFTER they kill their victim. Only BEFORE.

That makes sense.......
 
Typing 44 characters would've worked. Anybody know if they had a typewriter? Millionaire businessman with journalism major wife has a typewriter or printer for sure.
 
Rule #337, parents pretending to be international ransom kidnappers are not allowed to cut and paste characters for their ransom note AFTER they kill their victim. Only BEFORE.

That makes sense.......

Sure they're allowed. But they wouldn't have done it. Would've taken too much time. Too trite. Plus PR never thought she'd (or ANY R) be asked to give a writing sample.
 
Sure they're allowed. But they wouldn't have done it. Would've taken too much time. Too trite. Plus PR never thought she'd (or ANY R) be asked to give a writing sample.


Typing 44 letters would've been faster, comparably effective, and many times safer than handwriting. Im not buying the 1500 character 'parents pretending to be international ransom kidnappers' idea. Its too self-defeating. He!! they didn't even pick an existing form of crime, they created a new one: international ransom kidnapping. They wrote over 1500 characters and invented a new crime field. Not exactly blending in with the existing crime patterns, were they?
 
At least now we're getting somewhere.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping for that, too.

OK then suppose PR and/or JR killed JBR for whatever reason.

I'm supposing.

They could've cut letters out of a magazine and pasted it on paper to read: "We have her, give us 118K, we call later, any cops she dies." This would have the same effect.

Thats 44 characters of untraceable magazine printing.

I have wondered about that myself. And I have to admit, you make a good point. I thought it over and I thought it over, and a few things came to my mind. Number one, I don't remember reading anywhere that they had that many magazines. Moreover, if they had, they would have had to get rid of all those magazines before the cops found them. It would have just made even more trouble, the way I figure it.

But oh yeah, I forgot. PR's an irrational drama queen, so instead of the untraceable route, she chooses to handwrite more than 1500 characters?

Are you for real believing this?

Just when I was starting to think you were slipping over to my side. First of all, it wouldn't have been untraceable, to my reckoning. Second of all, I don't much appreciate your implication. I don't just pull this stuff out of my nether regions. I think about these things a great deal from many angles. I'm not just some Johnny-Come-Lately.

Are you expecting me to believe that PR is an irrational drama queen, just because you say so, without questioning it??

No, I don't. First of all, because I know you too well to expect that. Second of all, because she had a history of being just that. Isn't that what you keep asking me to show you? And this is what I get for it. You were doing pretty well for a while. I never said you shouldn't question this stuff. I enjoy a chance to show how I got from Point A to Point B.

This is starting to get ridiculous.

Couldn't have said it better myself! Shows what I get for trying to help people.

And, no, I don't know if they had a typewriter.
 
Sorry, SD.

I've already dropped the magazine idea and moved on. There's no way JR and PR didn't have a typewriter or a printer. He was a graphics computer expert, and she a journalism major. Certainly preferable over handwriting, doncha think? It would take only a few minutes for them to create an untraceable ransom note. As few as 44 characters gets the same message across, so linguists couldn't make anything of it.
 
As stupid as writing a 2 1/2 page ransom letter appears, it worked.

Perfect Town, Perfect Murder, Perfect Cover-Up...
 
Printer or typewriters are tracable moreso apparently than handwriting judging by lack of people prosecuted in this case.

Also, it's easier to attempt to get rid of magazines which were all cut up than it is to get rid of printers, computers, or typewriters...
 
Printer or typewriters are tracable moreso apparently than handwriting judging by lack of people prosecuted in this case.

Also, it's easier to attempt to get rid of magazines which were all cut up than it is to get rid of printers, computers, or typewriters...

This makes no sense. It would be like throwing away the sharpie. The perp put the sharpie back, right? Why not argue the perp used the house typewriter just as he did the paintbrush?
 
This makes no sense. It would be like throwing away the sharpie. The perp put the sharpie back, right? Why not argue the perp used the house typewriter just as he did the paintbrush?

Excellent point. The only way it makes sense is if you realize that PR was the author of the note. She would have chosen to use the note pad because she was attempting to make it appear that it was an intruder who did it. It would point toward a family member even more if it had been written and printed from within the home. The home office was located on the 3rd floor beside the master bedroom suite.
 

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