A New Look at Intruder Theories

[DeeDee249]

Leave 1500 (who was counting that night?) of your handwriting written with the opposite hand (to disguise it) was obviously the choice made that night. Lets face it, PR never thought either of them would ever be suspects. They thought the police would come, take a statement, and leave to begin an investigation into the kidnapping. I doubt they ever thought LE would make copies/take the note into evidence.

 

[Eulalie]

The second part of your post simply and inexplicably discards the idea that people naturally or instinctively would avoid leaving any handwriting (let alone 1500 characters) at a capital crime scene.

I believe you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. Nobody who lived there would.

Another poster claims he/she would do it under the right circumstances, but I don't believe that. Anyone self preserving enough to believe they needed a fake ransom note isn't going to handwrite one, thats for sure.

Your choice, leave 1500 characters of your own handwriting, or look for that typewriter?

Well, people don't naturally or instinctively kill their children, either -- but unfortunately it happens a lot. Look for that typewriter, and explain later how an "intruder" (hypothetically) went up to the attic, found the old thing and typed out the note?? Explain how an "intruder" was somehow able to log onto your computer? Or disguise your writing by using your left hand and changing the way you write? Among a whole lot of bad options, the latter seems to me to be the most plausible choice.

IMO, of course.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well, people don't naturally or instinctively kill their children, either -- but unfortunately it happens a lot. Look for that typewriter, and explain later how an "intruder" (hypothetically) went up to the attic, found the old thing and typed out the note?? Explain how an "intruder" was somehow able to log onto your computer? Or disguise your writing by using your left hand and changing the way you write? Among a whole lot of bad options, the latter seems to me to be the most plausible choice.

IMO, of course.

How do you know the R's keep their typewriter in the attic?

How do you know a 1996 home PC needed a login? Most didn't.

Why not scissors and a book? Thats the best option, because everybody's got scissors and they could've left them and the book out, just like the sharpie.

RDI can't answer that one without making up stories or supposing to know where everything is and isn't in the R's house..

 

[Eulalie]

Yes, that's why I used the word "hypothetically."

The point is that people have posted documentation on this thread that the Ramsey office was on the third floor. So, their computer(s) were likely located there rather than sitting in the living room where Patsy and John entertained. And it is reasonable to believe that it would be suspicious for an intruder to locate the computer, figure out how to use it AND the printer (login or no login -- I know my home and work PCs had passwords in 1996). Would it be possible? Yes. Would it be more suspicious than an "intruder" just writing a note? I believe yes.

Given that JR was tech-savvy, it is reasonable to believe that they didn't even own a typewriter in 1996 (I didn't; my parents didn't; my in-laws didn't; etc.) It is even more reasonable to believe that there was not a typewriter sitting in the living room, or elsewhere that an intruder could have easy access to it.

As for the cut-out letters, I repeat that it would be suspicious for an "intruder" to be able to locate scissors and *and* a glue stick in a strange house. It has raised enough suspicion that the perp used Patsy's pad and pen.

As for making up stories, I'm developing theories based on reasonable assumptions -- which is all any of us can do. We're filling in gaps to attempt to discuss and explain a crime -- by nature this involves conjecture.

 

[Chrishope]

I believe you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. Nobody who lived there would.

And it's even less likely that an intruder would. But someone did. Someone who couldn't use the printer or a typerwriter because they were suppossed to be asleep. They'd have to explain why they didn't hear anyone typing or hear the printer.

The idea that a kidnapper would come into the house w/o a RN ready, and spend time doing a draft and then a final version, in the house, is absurd.

 

[Chrishope]

Why not scissors and a book? Thats the best option, because everybody's got scissors and they could've left them and the book out, just like the sharpie.


Easily answered. It would be very hard for an intruder to cut up magazines or books w/o leaving fingerprints. Ever try to cut out letters and past them on paper wearing gloves?

 

[angelwngs]

Oh for crying out loud...

It makes a whole lot more sense for the killer not to write a ransom letter period.

Not to sexually violate the victim-

Not to cause a massive head wound and then garrote the victim-

Not to redress the victim-

Not to use all items connected with the crime from within the home-

Not to call 911 and a host of friends and other 'witnesses' to come to your home when the ransom note specifically states that the victim will be brutally murdered if you do-

Not to attempt to schedule a flight to Atlanta as your daughter's body still lies dead in your home-

...but all of these things were done in this case and the combination of everything done has, 12 years later, worked quite well for the killer.

 

[BBB167893]

It's not just that.

It's been said (I won't mention by whom) that the killer wrote the note in the house because he didn't want to get caught with a prewritten one on him if he were to get stopped by the cops. Somebody tell me how camping out in someone's house, not knowing if someone might come in on you, is less risky than having one written beforehand. And once you've done that, explain to me how that's more believable than the idea that two egomaniacs with a considerable lack of (apparent) options and a flair for overdone dramatics wrote it.

 

[LI_Mom]

It's not just that.

It's been said (I won't mention by whom) that the killer wrote the note in the house because he didn't want to get caught with a prewritten one on him if he were to get stopped by the cops. Somebody tell me how camping out in someone's house, not knowing if someone might come in on you, is less risky than having one written beforehand. And once you've done that, explain to me how that's more believable than the idea that two egomaniacs with a considerable lack of (apparent) options and a flair for overdone dramatics wrote it.

Maybe the kidnapper was wearing a jacket that said, "I'm going to kidnap Jonbenet Ramsey tonight!" & he had very good reason to worry about being stopped AND searched by police if he was stopped before he arrived.

 

[Chrishope]

It's not just that.

It's been said (I won't mention by whom) that the killer wrote the note in the house because he didn't want to get caught with a prewritten one on him if he were to get stopped by the cops. Somebody tell me how camping out in someone's house, not knowing if someone might come in on you, is less risky than having one written beforehand. And once you've done that, explain to me how that's more believable than the idea that two egomaniacs with a considerable lack of (apparent) options and a flair for overdone dramatics wrote it.

With that note, the kidnapper could just tell police it's a joke. After reading it, they'd believe him.

 

[BBB167893]

With that note, the kidnapper could just tell police it's a joke. After reading it, they'd believe him.

He could have given them any number of stories.

But I appreciate the humor of that remark.

 

[JMO8778]

I'm thinking those who handed down the 'treat them as victims,not as suspects' orders,might have told the R's they needed to create a diversion for LE when they arrived..after all,they had to have a reason to be treated as victims,if orders were to treat them as such! Just having JB missing could mean she might have wandered off somewhere..until the body was found,that is.Thus the orders..thus the note.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

As for the cut-out letters, I repeat that it would be suspicious for an "intruder" to be able to locate scissors and *and* a glue stick in a strange house. It has raised enough suspicion that the perp used Patsy's pad and pen.

Wait a minute there, Oohlala. Scissors and tape (I wouldn't consider a glue stick, I'm not 8 years old) are way way more easily 'located' in a 'strange house' than duct tape, cord, or the paintbrush. The R's deception would've only needed to return scissors and tape to a kitchen drawer or something.

Therefore, your argument that the R's would opt for handwriting over untraceable cutout message, in order to not appear suspicious at the ease with which scissors were located, is contradicted by the items that were located.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And it's even less likely that an intruder would. But someone did. Someone who couldn't use the printer or a typerwriter because they were suppossed to be asleep. They'd have to explain why they didn't hear anyone typing or hear the printer.

The idea that a kidnapper would come into the house w/o a RN ready, and spend time doing a draft and then a final version, in the house, is absurd.

Think about it for more than a minute, and it may occur to you that the farther away you are from the crime scene socially, the less likely you're handwriting is going to be compared. If you live in a remote country that is socially disconnected from the R's, then the likelihood is remote. If you live there, its a certainty. Therefore, given a semi-rational perp, it is more likely an intruder from a foreign faction would choose to leave handwriting than an adult member of the household.

Feel free to keep coming up with 'rational' reasons for a household member to put pen to paper at a capital crime scene. You'd be better off simply claiming that PR was irrational, naive or crazy enough to not know handwriting and linguistics can be analyzed, and to not know staging a kidnapping is worse than staging an accident.

I agree that typing or using the PC could be too noisy, so I'll go with the scissors, book, and tape option.

 

[DeeDee249]

You'd be better off simply claiming that PR was irrational, naive or crazy enough to not know handwriting and linguistics can be analyzed, and to not know staging a kidnapping is worse than staging an accident.
.

OK. That works for me.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

OK. That works for me.

And then you'd have JR saying "No don't do that. Bad idea. Somebody might think you wrote it." Or is he naive or crazy too?

 

[DeeDee249]

And then you'd have JR saying "No don't do that. Bad idea. Somebody might think you wrote it." Or is he naive or crazy too?

Neither. Figured they'd buy their way out of ever being suspects, which they actually did. So whether PR was named as author of the note was a moot point. Didn't matter. They knew they'd slither out from under it. And they did.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Neither. Figured they'd buy their way out of ever being suspects, which they actually did. So whether PR was named as author of the note was a moot point. Didn't matter. They knew they'd slither out from under it. And they did.

JR is neither naive nor crazy, while PR is? Please elaborate because you lost me.

And do you really think money will help avoid even an arrest?

 

[DeeDee249]

JR is neither naive nor crazy, while PR is? Please elaborate because you lost me.

And do you really think money will help avoid even an arrest?

Yes. Several members of the Kennedy clan did this as well. Questioned- yes. Suspected- yes. Arrested? No. The R lawyers made sure their clients were not allowed to answer any questions that might incriminate them, plus the actions of the DA made certain that the R and their lawyers had every advantage, including getting copies of the questions. The R were allowed to corroborate their stories with each other, as they were never questioned separately in the beginning The R had pockets deep enough to accomplish whatever was needed to keep them from being arrested. The average person of modest means would not have been able to do what the Rs were able to do.

Are you saying that it has never occurred in history where one spouse is mentally ill and the other is not? That's ridiculous. Why, my own spouse is crazy as a sh**house rat. (sorry)

 

[icedtea4me]

Feel free to keep coming up with 'rational' reasons for a household member to put pen to paper at a capital crime scene.

The overwhelming need from the subconscious to confess.


-Tea