A New Look at Intruder Theories

[UKGuy]

SSF.

Are small foreign factions rated on size the way bonds are rated for investment grade?

"We are a small foreign faction. Previously, we had been a medium sized foreign faction, but since we tend to spend more on capers than we demand in ransom, we've lost members and have been downgraded to SFF."

No foreign faction would describe itself as small, or probably even as a foreign faction.

Chrishope,

Its the word faction that I find totally incongruous with a kidnapping scenario.

Syndicate, Gang, Group, Cabal, can be any size and still sound threatening, but faction, nope, sounds like something from a boring maths class?


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[sandraladeda]

I was thinking the word "faction" meant an offshoot of a larger existing group, and I was basically right.

Faction, as defined by dictionary.com. I would assume the first definition applies to whatever our RN author intended.

1.a group or clique within a larger group, party, government, organization, or the like: a faction in favor of big business.
2.party strife and intrigue; dissension: an era of faction and treason.

So, in theory, our RN author could be a member of the Hells Angels (the larger group), but part of a smaller group, or faction, who prefer Vespas to Harleys?

 

[DeeDee249]

Actually, why would ANY size faction or any group (foreign, terrorist or anything else) need to describe itself in the RN at ALL? Nothing is gained by telling the parents who or what they are. KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. If it were a real kidnapping, gone wrong or otherwise, all the parents of a kidnapping victim need to be told is how much money and where to bring it. That's it. They don't need to be told who has her, which is counterproductive to getting away with the crime. The parents simply need to be told what to do to get her back. That's less than a paragraph, certainly doesn't need 3 pages.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

As to the rich foreign man, I think the same could be said for a poor local man. A poor local man, a loner with no family to miss him on Christmas Day can admire JBR from afar, he can live a low profile life, he can have no criminal record so not be worried about fingerprints, handwriting or DNA.

What I am saying is, there is no evidence of large sums of money being spent on this crime, so no evidence it was a rich man. There is no evidence for a foreigner except for the RN which says "we are a SFF". But they also said it was a kidnapping, which it wasn't, so why believe the claim in the note of being foreign?

Not to doubt your poor local man idea, but I think you're missing my point a little.

Don't you think it would be embarassing to investigate other scenarios, only to find out later that the easiest, most direct scenario was the right one? With that in mind, the easiest most direct scenario is FFDI for ransom. But wait, JBR was found sexually assaulted and murdered, and 118K was less than JR could afford. So for the sake of a new scenario, I'll dump the ransom part and keep the rest.



The premise of my theory is basically to assume that

1. collecting ransom was never the plan,
2. the RN was otherwise truthful, and
3. the perps had no local help.

Given these assumptions, the crime becomes very sophisticated and planned, with travel expenses for several people.

 

[sandraladeda]

Not to doubt your poor local man idea, but I think you're missing my point a little.

Don't you think it would be embarassing to investigate other scenarios, only to find out later that the easiest, most direct scenario was the right one? With that in mind, the easiest most direct scenario is FFDI for ransom. But wait, JBR was found sexually assaulted and murdered, and 118K was less than JR could afford. So for the sake of a new scenario, I'll dump the ransom part and keep the rest.



The premise of my theory is basically to assume that

1. collecting ransom was never the plan,
2. the RN was otherwise truthful, and
3. the perps had no local help.

Given these assumptions, the crime becomes very sophisticated and planned, with travel expenses for several people.

Okay, let me just start by taking a bite out of one piece of this post. Travel expenses for several people. Let's say that by "several", you mean 3, just for the sake of discussion. We'll call them Carlos, Ali, and Bjorn (just to think up some foreign names, playing along here )

When did the 3 people arrive in Boulder?
Where did they stay? (Holiday Inn? Rented condo?)
What element of this crime requires several people?

Also, I am wondering, this rich foreign dude, when did he meet JR, and how did he come to know JR well enough to both hate him and know enough of the daughter JBR to covet her?

I think that's enough for you to work on, for now.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Okay, let me just start by taking a bite out of one piece of this post. Travel expenses for several people. Let's say that by "several", you mean 3, just for the sake of discussion. We'll call them Carlos, Ali, and Bjorn (just to think up some foreign names, playing along here )

When did the 3 people arrive in Boulder? That afternoon.
Where did they stay? (Holiday Inn? Rented condo?) At JR's house. They might have left Boulder in the AM.
What element of this crime requires several people? Its not that several people were required. Several people would've made it safer. Lookouts, standing guard, etc. requires more than one person.
Also, I am wondering, this rich foreign dude, when did he meet JR, and how did he come to know JR well enough to both hate him and know enough of the daughter JBR to covet her?

I think that's enough for you to work on, for now.

I'll get back to you on the last part.

 

[Zak]

Why would a SFF target JR?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

3. Why did this rich person choose that date, and that situation (being in the house while the parents are there, the risk of being heard and caught) to kidnap JBR?

Why December 25th? Thats a very good question. For all the RDI scenarios, there isn't a good answer as to why December 25th. Coincidence? That just so happened to be the night PR snapped? Bizarre holiday ritual gone bad?

There's been no big explanation in RDI as to why Christmas Night was chosen. All the scenarios could've happened any night. I'm sure RDI will come up with one. In the meantime, FFDI has an obvious answer, holiday travel volume is up, and people tend to be all tuckered out by Christmas Night. After all those holiday festivities, most people are sleeping like rocks.

Every RDI scenario has JBR and PR moving around like energizer bunnies that night, while in reality probably not even the local pedophile had any child predator energy left in him.

Family stress high that night? Wrong. Usually it goes way down Christmas Night, as all the family stress-inducing events have come and gone.

 

[Chrishope]

There's been no big explanation in RDI as to why Christmas Night was chosen. All the scenarios could've happened any night. I'm sure RDI will come up with one. In the meantime, FFDI has an obvious answer, holiday travel volume is up, and people tend to be all tuckered out by Christmas Night. After all those holiday festivities, most people are sleeping like rocks.


Not really true. Heavy drinking and eating actually interferes with sleep.

Travel volume is up around Christmas time, but I don't see how this helps someone "foreign" looking be less noticeable.


Every RDI scenario has JBR and PR moving around like energizer bunnies that night, while in reality probably not even the local pedophile had any child predator energy left in him.


Again, no reason at all to think that is true, unless you can provide some data showing a marked decrease is sexual assault during the Holiday season.

Family stress high that night? Wrong. Usually it goes way down Christmas Night, as all the family stress-inducing events have come and gone.

Yet another self-serving conclusion w/o a basis in fact. The stress doesn't disappear the instant the last party is over. Besides, it's only a week until new years, with more parties, more obligations, more planning, - more stress.

 

[BBB167893]

Why December 25th? Thats a very good question. For all the RDI scenarios, there isn't a good answer as to why December 25th. Coincidence? That just so happened to be the night PR snapped?

For lack of a better summation.

Bizarre holiday ritual gone bad?

I'll ignore that.

There's been no big explanation in RDI as to why Christmas Night was chosen. All the scenarios could've happened any night.

Could have, but that's when it happened. And who says it was "chosen?" That implies premeditation.

I'm sure RDI will come up with one.

Maybe we already have. Steve Thomas outlined it in his book:

"In my hypothesis, an approaching fortieth birthday, the busy holiday season, an exhausting Christmas Day, a couple of glasses of wine, and an argument with JonBenet had left Patsy frazzled.

"When they came home, John Ramsey helped Burke put together a Christmas toy. JonBenet, who had not eaten much at the Whites' party, was hungry. Her mother let her have some pineapple, and then the kids were put to bed. John Ramsey read to his little girl. Then he went to bed. Patsy stayed up to prepare for the trip to Michigan the next morning, a trip she admittedly did not particularly want to make."
Keep in mind that while I don't agree with his idea of what the fatal catalyst was, I agree with the underlying tensions, and maybe a few others. I think it's helpful to remember that Christmas is one of the most depressing days of the year. Read the statistics on suicide during the holiday season sometime. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. Every year, it's a battle for me just to get through it. Now, with Old Mum gone, I'm really dreading it this year.


In the meantime, FFDI has an obvious answer, holiday travel volume is up, and people tend to be all tuckered out by Christmas Night. After all those holiday festivities, most people are sleeping like rocks.

You must have attended different parties than I did.

Every RDI scenario has JBR and PR moving around like energizer bunnies that night, while in reality probably not even the local pedophile had any child predator energy left in him.

In terms of children, I remember it was a battle to get me to sleep Christmas night. And as for PR, there were still things to do, and she seemed like the type who didn't leave things unfinished. I know the type--I'm one of 'em.

Family stress high that night? Wrong. Usually it goes way down Christmas Night, as all the family stress-inducing events have come and gone.

Adding to what Chrishope said, since they had this huge trip they were going to make, I hardly see how that removed the stress.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Adding to what Chrishope said, since they had this huge trip they were going to make, I hardly see how that removed the stress.

My claim is that if a SFF planned a crime like this, and selected Christmas Night, then they would have advantages of high holiday travel volume, and a sleeping family.

If a SFF selected Christmas Eve, then they would lose the sleeping family advantage.

RDI can, of course, claim PR was awake all night, but that doesn't change the validity of my claim.

 

[BBB167893]

My claim is that if a SFF planned a crime like this, and selected Christmas Night, then they would have advantages of high holiday travel volume, and a sleeping family.

If a SFF selected Christmas Eve, then they would lose the sleeping family advantage.

I understand that. I wasn't attacking it, just laying my groundwork.

RDI can, of course, claim PR was awake all night, but that doesn't change the validity of my claim.

We do claim that, and we have reason to claim that. It doesn't change the validity of your claim, I admit that. I have no reason not to admit that. But your claim does not necessarily negate my claim.

 

[maya.morgen]

Actually, why would ANY size faction or any group (foreign, terrorist or anything else) need to describe itself in the RN at ALL? Nothing is gained by telling the parents who or what they are. KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. If it were a real kidnapping, gone wrong or otherwise, all the parents of a kidnapping victim need to be told is how much money and where to bring it. That's it. They don't need to be told who has her, which is counterproductive to getting away with the crime. The parents simply need to be told what to do to get her back. That's less than a paragraph, certainly doesn't need 3 pages.

:clap:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Also, I am wondering, this rich foreign dude, when did he meet JR, and how did he come to know JR well enough to both hate him and know enough of the daughter JBR to covet her?

I think that's enough for you to work on, for now.

OK done working. Rich foreign dude never met JR.

Remember the two gentlemen who 'do not particularly like' JR? According to the premise that all else is true except ransom, the two gentlemen were vindictive because of JR. They probably knew JR first, found out about JBR, and knew thats what rich foreign dude was after.

BTW, 'do not particularly like' is a sarcasm, an understatement for 'hate'. I would consider many expressions in the ransom note to be understated. The ransom was understated.

 

[DeeDee249]

Dec. 25 wasn't "chosen". It simply happened that night. Stress played a part? Sure- but first and foremost this was an accidental killing covered up to look like a kidnapping- not so much a kidnapping-gone-wrong, but a "we killed her because you called police" kidnapping.
This murder could have happened anytime. Yes, the stress of having to do too much in too little time helped. A 6-year old who regressed in potty training to the point of soiling her pants/wetting the bed nearly every day certainly didn't help an already high-strung mother like PR. Then you had the housekeeper, who usually came every day but because of the holiday and the R trip hadn't been there in a few days, so PR had to do a lot of the last-minute trip preparations herself; for someone as disorganized and messy as PR, this must have been tremendously stressful. So the Christmas holiday was a reason for the stress, but the date itself and the fact that it was Christmas wasn't in and of itself the reason for the crime.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Oh, I was only pointing out that for any intruder in any house, Christmas Night works out way, way better than Christmas Eve, what with all the late night decorating, wrapping, cooking and stuff going on Christmas Eve.

RDI calls that one a coincidence, but I don't believe in those.

 

[DeeDee249]

Not a coincidence, really. Just an even that happened that day as easily as the next.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Dec. 25 wasn't "chosen". It simply happened that night.

Dec 25 WAS chosen. The perps brought cord and tape that day, with the intention of kidnapping JBR and taking her away by car.

I believe this 'group' had the ability to have done it any day of the week, but they CHOSE Dec 25.

 

[Toltec]

Dec 25 WAS chosen. The perps brought cord and tape that day, with the intention of kidnapping JBR and taking her away by car.

I believe this 'group' had the ability to have done it any day of the week, but they CHOSE Dec 25.

Yes....they CHOSE to leave JonBenet behind too!

 

[icedtea4me]

OK done working. Rich foreign dude never met JR.

Remember the two gentlemen who 'do not particularly like' JR? According to the premise that all else is true except ransom, the two gentlemen were vindictive because of JR. They probably knew JR first, found out about JBR, and knew thats what rich foreign dude was after.

BTW, 'do not particularly like' is a sarcasm, an understatement for 'hate'. I would consider many expressions in the ransom note to be understated. The ransom was understated.

And do you remember that the word "not" had to be inserted via one of these "v" after the fact? Therefore, the original train of thought was "do particularly like".


-Tea