A slip-up in the ransom note?

[icedtea4me]

I don't think PR would have thought about people monitoring people.

Think about what Patsy experienced.


-Tea

 

[T-Rex]

Oh-hhhh--that's kind of genius, IcedTea!! You are so right!!!!

(I always thought 'the delivery will be exhausting' was the writer remembering the day Jb was born.)

 

[Eagle1]

But they'll believe someone else did it - anyone else, as long as it's not a Ramsey. It could be FW, or his wife, or the Stine's babysitter, or Chris Wolfe, or JMK, or ....

All of us know all the facts which are available to the public, and those of us who're sure all the facts just aren't in yet have a right and duty to maintain that there could be an even worse genius of evil out there, than the Patsy that RDI's are describing.

Yes of course she could have snapped, but, another supernatural factor since someone wrote a nice dream interpretation, I have to REMIND us. Some may not believe there's a devil, who has a beastly destructive UNDERGROUND and a false clergyman OPPOSING Christians for a time, in the tech age, when people fly and there's watergating type abuses. Notice the RN mentions monitoring, as if really extremely proud of that, "bragging". It may be a bigger clue than we have thought. We'll see.

So they could have that and other methods of studying PR and learning to forge her, which ways and means I can't describe to you in detail, wouldn't know.

The prediction's in Holy Writ, nobody can keep any secrets from him. Ezekiel I think, approximately chapter 36 or 37 or thereabouts. I don't think that's exactly the reference. If really interested in checking this out, try BlueLetterBible.org's easy word seach, "secrets" and like that.

These demons will be brought to justice, and will have even more faults and experiences, maybe imagined, than PR. The R's I guess had to cover for whoever it was because they were left holding the bag. Sure PR could have been crazy from her meds and cancer experience, but lots of other people have gone through what she did, and didn't lose it with a child this bad. She's not the only one. Someone's coming along which will knock your socks off, probably causing the Iraq war which I'm afraid may be dangerously depleting our military people. (A double agent?) Another famous ancient prophet, Isaiah, 14:20, says he will have somehow destroyed his own nation.

Sure, we know how things look right now, and can keep shouting it from the housetops, but we surely don't know the whole story yet. It's just not over till it's over. I'm reserving judgement.

Nothing has happened to Patsy that isn't fairly common to humankind, sad to say. Lots of moms have had cancer and died because of it. She stayed strong, coherent and lucid through a long seige of being accused by all those rushing to judgement, after losing her obsession child. Someone will say it was because of her obsession that she lost it with JonBenet. Not necessarily so. Maybe that kind of a mom would have committed suicide. She held up amazingly well through almost a decade. The mother in Hawaii who drowned her 5 children in a bathtub before Yates did, finally hanged herself, or maybe was hanged, take your pick, near a chicken house or something like that. I forget her name.

We do have tidbits of info about people in other areas of the country just before this happened, hate propagandists trying to poison the well against this whole family even before the murder happened. They'd been marked for quite a while, and maybe JonBenet's attempting a 911 call at the Whites' speeded up the process, or, someone there telling her Santa would make another visit may indicate that for some previous reason the date had already been selected. Anything can sound like truth until you hear "the other side" or possible "other side". There's a whole 'nother scenario very possible and maybe probable. Something was going on, all along. That just annot be ignored. It's part of the picture.

The person who's more evil than we can imagine may like to create coincidences and confusion, picking people for this scenario who could all be suspected, lots more "evil genius" than PR could ever have had. If we should get nuked or something, I guess this unknown would be behind it, playing religions and nations against each other. Notice I said "I guess". I don't know if Karr may be involved after all. I was one of the first to say he probably wasn't. He just knew Nedra's nickname, could have heard it from some of the bragging hate propagandists. Interesting.

 

[coloradokares]

All of us know all the facts which are available to the public, and those of us who're sure all the facts just aren't in yet have a right and duty to maintain that there could be an even worse genius of evil out there, than the Patsy that RDI's are describing.

Yes of course she could have snapped, but, another supernatural factor since someone wrote a nice dream interpretation, I have to REMIND us. Some may not believe there's a devil, who has a beastly destructive UNDERGROUND and a false clergyman OPPOSING Christians for a time, in the tech age, when people fly and there's watergating type abuses. Notice the RN mentions monitoring, as if really extremely proud of that, "bragging". It may be a bigger clue than we have thought. We'll see.

So they could have that and other methods of studying PR and learning to forge her, which ways and means I can't describe to you in detail, wouldn't know.

The prediction's in Holy Writ, nobody can keep any secrets from him. Ezekiel I think, approximately chapter 36 or 37 or thereabouts. I don't think that's exactly the reference. If really interested in checking this out, try BlueLetterBible.org's easy word seach, "secrets" and like that.

These demons will be brought to justice, and will have even more faults and experiences, maybe imagined, than PR. The R's I guess had to cover for whoever it was because they were left holding the bag. Sure PR could have been crazy from her meds and cancer experience, but lots of other people have gone through what she did, and didn't lose it with a child this bad. She's not the only one. Someone's coming along which will knock your socks off, probably causing the Iraq war which I'm afraid may be dangerously depleting our military people. (A double agent?) Another famous ancient prophet, Isaiah, 14:20, says he will have somehow destroyed his own nation.

Sure, we know how things look right now, and can keep shouting it from the housetops, but we surely don't know the whole story yet. It's just not over till it's over. I'm reserving judgement.

Nothing has happened to Patsy that isn't fairly common to humankind, sad to say. Lots of moms have had cancer and died because of it. She stayed strong, coherent and lucid through a long seige of being accused by all those rushing to judgement, after losing her obsession child. Someone will say it was because of her obsession that she lost it with JonBenet. Not necessarily so. Maybe that kind of a mom would have committed suicide. She held up amazingly well through almost a decade. The mother in Hawaii who drowned her 5 children in a bathtub before Yates did, finally hanged herself, or maybe was hanged, take your pick, near a chicken house or something like that. I forget her name.

We do have tidbits of info about people in other areas of the country just before this happened, hate propagandists trying to poison the well against this whole family even before the murder happened. They'd been marked for quite a while, and maybe JonBenet's attempting a 911 call at the Whites' speeded up the process, or, someone there telling her Santa would make another visit may indicate that for some previous reason the date had already been selected. Anything can sound like truth until you hear "the other side" or possible "other side". There's a whole 'nother scenario very possible and maybe probable. Something was going on, all along. That just annot be ignored. It's part of the picture.

The person who's more evil than we can imagine may like to create coincidences and confusion, picking people for this scenario who could all be suspected, lots more "evil genius" than PR could ever have had. If we should get nuked or something, I guess this unknown would be behind it, playing religions and nations against each other. Notice I said "I guess". I don't know if Karr may be involved after all. I was one of the first to say he probably wasn't. He just knew Nedra's nickname, could have heard it from some of the bragging hate propagandists. Interesting.

Not sure quite how you got New World Order what sounds like the Antichrist but for the 666 and Armageddon and the murder of JonBenet all mixed up into one tidy package. Do you really believe this is so? I have to ask if you really think this.

 

[poco]

T-Rex, what you said sounds right: "tomorrow" has to mean December 27 -- the ransom note writer knew it was now (early morning) Dec. 26.

Plus, the note implies that John would need to use that next night (26th into 27th) to get "rested up" for the ordeal. How do you "rest up" in the morning while awaiting a phone call from a kidnapper?

Also, "getting the money earlier" implies that if they got the money on the 26th they might be contacted earlier than 8-10 a.m. on the 27th.

But, like you've all said, trying to parse this garbled note is useless, because it's almost certainly bogus. We've all seen the handwriting samples...

You are correct - he would obviously have to get the money earlier than the next day between 8-10 because the banks don't open until at least 9 - at least mine don't. Why would the kidnapper/killer even write something that stupid. The whole thing is too wordy, with too many instructions. WHY was this note, IMO, ridiculous - because none of it was actual instructions and none of them would be carried out - JonBenet was dead - she was found in the basement and the writer knew she was already dead.

I would think had this actually been a REAL ransom note from a REAL FOREIGN FACTION, the note would have been more thought out and not as long. - We got your daughter, we want $118,00 for her safe release. DO NOT CONTACT THE POLICE. We will contact you tomorrow between 12 and 4 p.m." - BINGO, end of note.....

 

[Chrishope]

You are correct - he would obviously have to get the money earlier than the next day between 8-10 because the banks don't open until at least 9 - at least mine don't. Why would the kidnapper/killer even write something that stupid. The whole thing is too wordy, with too many instructions. WHY was this note, IMO, ridiculous - because none of it was actual instructions and none of them would be carried out - JonBenet was dead - she was found in the basement and the writer knew she was already dead.

I would think had this actually been a REAL ransom note from a REAL FOREIGN FACTION, the note would have been more thought out and not as long. - We got your daughter, we want $118,00 for her safe release. DO NOT CONTACT THE POLICE. We will contact you tomorrow between 12 and 4 p.m." - BINGO, end of note.....

Exactly.

There's an old saying that goes something like this - Sorry for the length of this letter but I didn't have time to write a short one.

The meaning of course is that editing requires thought, and thought takes time. If it were a real ransom note it would have said "We've got the girl. We'll call you. Have $1,000,000 ready in small bills."

Even IDIs can't make themselves swallow the idea of it being a ransom note, which is why they now claim it's a revenge note filled with clues from some "Riddler"-like criminal mastermind. And of course, that theory can't be disproven - short of getting a conviction- so they can continue to believe it forever.

 

[4sure]

Even IDIs can't make themselves swallow the idea of it being a ransom note, which is why they now claim it's a revenge note filled with clues from some "Riddler"-like criminal mastermind. And of course, that theory can't be disproven - short of getting a conviction- so they can continue to believe it forever.

Is that any different than RDIs that think the RN was written by Patsy because it's filled with clues from Patsy. And don't give that handwritting bull because thats just more LE lies in order to pressure the R's into confessing.

 

[Jay78]

Is that any different than RDIs that think the RN was written by Patsy because it's filled with clues from Patsy. And don't give that handwritting bull because thats just more LE lies in order to pressure the R's into confessing.

Steve Thomas has evidence that patsy ramseys handwriting style changed dramatically after the murder for one thing, and for another, there are clues in the note. For instance, Patsy and her mother used to joke about John being southern even those he was from MI. and how do you explain the 118,000 amount that was the amount of John's bonus?

 

[cynpat2000]

Is that any different than RDIs that think the RN was written by Patsy because it's filled with clues from Patsy. And don't give that handwritting bull because thats just more LE lies in order to pressure the R's into confessing.

The handwriting being a close match is not LE lies , go to acandyrose.com and see for yourself. There are numerous similarities of Patsys sample to the "ransom" note.

 

[Eagle1]

The handwriting being a close match is not LE lies , go to acandyrose.com and see for yourself. There are numerous similarities of Patsys sample to the "ransom" note.

How many Karrs may pop up, whose handwriting has just as many similarities as JMKarr's and Patsy's? IOW, you just can't go by that?

 

[Eagle1]

Exactly.

There's an old saying that goes something like this - Sorry for the length of this letter but I didn't have time to write a short one. ....... Even IDIs can't make themselves swallow the idea of it being a ransom note, which is why they now claim it's a revenge note filled with clues from some "Riddler"-like criminal mastermind. And of course, that theory can't be disproven - short of getting a conviction- so they can continue to believe it forever.

Good one, Chrishope.

And I like the expression "riddler". Wasn't there one in the Batman radio programs back in the previous century in "Gotham City"?

Editing to add that your snap-judgement theory can't be disproven w/out a conviction either, so we're even. And I'm still an FS, but we do have to allow for possibilities like this "riddler" one, who could be running Karr, and no-telling how many others like him. Others may still pop up.

 

[rashomon]

I would think had this actually been a REAL ransom note from a REAL FOREIGN FACTION, the note would have been more thought out and not as long. - We got your daughter, we want $118,00 for her safe release. DO NOT CONTACT THE POLICE. We will contact you tomorrow between 12 and 4 p.m." - BINGO, end of note.....

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if this had actually been a REAL FOREIGN FACTION they would have asked for a far bigger sum than those ridiculous $118,000. Laughable.
John Ramsey was a multimillionaire who, according to friends, could have raised a ransom sum up to ten million dollars without any problem.

 

[cynpat2000]

How many Karrs may pop up, whose handwriting has just as many similarities as JMKarr's and Patsy's? IOW, you just can't go by that?

Its more than similar its a complete match, now how many can do that ?? Here see for yourself.

http://pages.prodigy.net/victorag/tax-form_compare.jpg

 

[JMO8778]

How many Karrs may pop up, whose handwriting has just as many similarities as JMKarr's and Patsy's? IOW, you just can't go by that?

IMO,it's the liguistics used, as well as what was said.Karr wouldn't write something as dumb as 'use that good southern common sense of yours',along with all the other nonsensical phrases,when he didn't even know the family.

 

[BBB167893]

Steve Thomas has evidence that patsy ramseys handwriting style changed dramatically after the murder for one thing, and for another, there are clues in the note. For instance, Patsy and her mother used to joke about John being southern even those he was from MI. and how do you explain the 118,000 amount that was the amount of John's bonus?

The handwriting being a close match is not LE lies , go to acandyrose.com and see for yourself. There are numerous similarities of Patsys sample to the "ransom" note.

I'm not usually one to beat up on someone, but I believe my own eyes!

How many Karrs may pop up, whose handwriting has just as many similarities as JMKarr's and Patsy's? IOW, you just can't go by that?

We DON'T!

 

[4sure]

The handwriting being a close match is not LE lies , go to acandyrose.com and see for yourself. There are numerous similarities of Patsys sample to the "ransom" note.

Yes I see them. I also saw "shall be the conqueror" and so called experts telling me JMK's hand writing matched even better than Patsys.
Its wonderful speculation.
It's meaningless as evidence.

 

[icedtea4me]

"You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a (sic) earlier pick-up of your daughter."

Let's take another look at the last line as it was originally written- "If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier delivery (scribbled out) pick-up of your daughter."

Now, how about if, for consistency sake, the "we" is changed to an "I" since this could be a message from Patsy to John. And I brought up the possibility about the word "money" actually being a symbolic code word for something else other than cash money. So let's substitute "something" for "money". Finally, let's keep in flow with the mind set of the writer and leave in the last "delivery" and omit the "pick-up" for the time being. This is what the result would be-

"If I (Patsy) monitor you (John) getting the "something" early, I might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the "something" and hence a earlier delivery of your daughter".


-Tea

 

[icedtea4me]

and maybe JonBenet's attempting a 911 call at the Whites' speeded up the process,

JonBenet attempting a 911 call at the Whites'? Source, please.

or, someone there telling her Santa would make another visit may indicate that for some previous reason the date had already been selected.

Someone where? At the Whites'? They were at the Whites' on the 25th, and JonBenet made the Santa visit comment to Mrs. Kostanick on the 24th.


-Tea

 

[Chrishope]

Is that any different than RDIs that think the RN was written by Patsy because it's filled with clues from Patsy. And don't give that handwritting bull because thats just more LE lies in order to pressure the R's into confessing.

Not the same sort of clues at all. In the "Riddler" theory of a revenge note, it's claimed the note has messages that wouldn't mean anything to you and I but mean something to JR.

The only clues I know of RDIs speaking of are linguistic habits that indicate it was written by a southerner, and quite likely a woman.

 

[Chrishope]

Good one, Chrishope.

And I like the expression "riddler". Wasn't there one in the Batman radio programs back in the previous century in "Gotham City"?

Editing to add that your snap-judgement theory can't be disproven w/out a conviction either, so we're even. And I'm still an FS, but we do have to allow for possibilities like this "riddler" one, who could be running Karr, and no-telling how many others like him. Others may still pop up.

No, we aren't even. You are still behind. My theory isn't based on a snap judgment. It's based on handwritting comparisson and text analysis, and the likelihood of an intruder writing the note vs. the likelihood of one of the Rs writing it.

You can tell yourself your a FS all you like, but you are IDI. Only an IDI supposses that there is a cartoon-like mastermind running Karr and others like him.