A slip-up in the ransom note?

[coloradokares]

Because so far he's just all we've got. And he could have been involved, and/or could know who else was. The media's saying he's not cleared.

We have more than Karr. He might be all the IDI's have but he is not the lone suspect.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Right. The Ramseys are still suspects.

 

[Eagle1]

We have more than Karr. He might be all the IDI's have but he is not the lone suspect.

Excuse my poor choice of words. I didn't mean to imply that a whole bunch of others, known or unknown, including the R's, couldn't have been involved.

Karr's just the only one we were hearing about recently, and he's really not completely cleared. I do think it was more than one person. And that the Rs' choice of friends was a bit oddball.

 

[sandraladeda]

I think we can say that, for all intents and purposes, Karr HAS been cleared. I think it's just media spin, keeping this dead story alive that motivates some to say that Karr is not cleared. He's cleared. Alibi'ed. No dna match, No match of story/facts of case. Anyone sick enough can confess. This does not make them guilty of anything beyond mental illness. Karr is mentally ill. Period. amen. Let it go.

 

[Eagle1]

We have more than Karr. He might be all the IDI's have but he is not the lone suspect.

He's not the lone suspect, and isn't even "all the IDI's have", imfso (In my Fence Sitter neutral opinion).

And I just thought of something about coincidences. Wasn't John Lennon's killer named John Mark something? Isn't it a coincidence there should be another John Mark, in this case too?

I think the R's and nearly their whole group of friends are suspect, as well as Karr, re simple INVOLVEMENT. Not saying any certain one did it, but that there's oddball things we know already about several of them, a fairly large percent.

Just a few of the examples, (1) McReynolds' harp with notches for dead little friends, (2) S. Stine talking to police through the door, not letting them in to investigate an aborted 911 call, (3) the California guys allegedly belonging to a Kali cult, and we could go on and on. There are just as many examples of strange things about the R's. Nobody's disputing that. But that doesn't negate these other things. No way.

 

[JMO8778]

That Susan Stine..I have to wonder why she wasn't worried about driving BR and her own son to school...looks like she would have been afraid of a killer of some sort,if she thought the R's innocent.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Lennon's killer was named Mark David Chapman.

 

[Eagle1]

Lennon's killer was named Mark David Chapman.

Thanks, NP.

JMO, mothers protecting their kids can feel pretty invincible. My husband used to say, "You'd fight lions and tigers for your kids, wouldn't you?" when I surprised even myself taking on whoever or whatever because I'm normally a very quiet, to an extreme, and thoughtful person, never protect myself in clinches which don't involve the children as I do when they have a problem. One time one kid was supposed to get an award so we all dressed and hauled our you-know-what's over there and sat through it, but they'd left hers out! I don't even know what I said in the note I fired off under the principal's door. She said she got her award later. Took me for granted and didn't even tell me until I brought it up later. Do the kids fight for me? Nope, afraid not. They assume I can easily handle anything, but for myself, I'm a loser. Born shy. It takes the kids to bring out the mama bear in me. Hormones?

Don't they also call Stine "Bulldog" or something like that? She's probably a lot worse than I am. I certainly don't think I would have talked to police through an intercom , refused to even open the door, and turned them away!

 

[Vegas Bride]

About Stine not letting the police in. I always thought it was very unusual that the police didn't insist on checking inside the house just to make sure everything was indeed ok. What if there was a home invasion and she was told to get rid of the cops?

VB

 

[JMO8778]

About Stine not letting the police in. I always thought it was very unusual that the police didn't insist on checking inside the house just to make sure everything was indeed ok. What if there was a home invasion and she was told to get rid of the cops?

VB

Weird indeed.They should have insisted she at least open the door.

 

[JMO8778]

Thanks, NP.

JMO, mothers protecting their kids can feel pretty invincible. My husband used to say, "You'd fight lions and tigers for your kids, wouldn't you?" when I surprised even myself taking on whoever or whatever because I'm normally a very quiet, to an extreme, and thoughtful person, never protect myself in clinches which don't involve the children as I do when they have a problem. One time one kid was supposed to get an award so we all dressed and hauled our you-know-what's over there and sat through it, but they'd left hers out! I don't even know what I said in the note I fired off under the principal's door. She said she got her award later. Took me for granted and didn't even tell me until I brought it up later. Do the kids fight for me? Nope, afraid not. They assume I can easily handle anything, but for myself, I'm a loser. Born shy. It takes the kids to bring out the mama bear in me. Hormones?

Don't they also call Stine "Bulldog" or something like that? She's probably a lot worse than I am.

I KWYM,I have 2 kids..teenagers actually.. and tend to be quiet and shy...until it comes to them! I'd fight fire with fire and and spit nails to protect them! But...that's just it.I don't think SS did enough,no matter how invincible she felt.I would have at least asked for a police escort.I felt she was too passive,just like the R's were (and still are).
I also would have stayed in Atlanta,or at least let the child stay there with family..it would seem to be a lot safer.I think the only reason they went back to Boulder was for appearances only.They sure didn't help police for 4 mo.Again,that's way too passive...I would have at least stayed quietly and in a different city,further away from Boulder.

 

[Eagle1]

About Stine not letting the police in. I always thought it was very unusual that the police didn't insist on checking inside the house just to make sure everything was indeed ok. What if there was a home invasion and she was told to get rid of the cops?

VB

Me too, guys. You'd think it would have raised their suspicions that something was going on in there.

And something probably was. Maybe they were all in it together. Whatever the heck it was. I think that's what's frustrating us, a sense of their all or nearly all having been involved in something, but what? Ant the BPD maybe also knowing!

 

[cynpat2000]

I think we can say that, for all intents and purposes, Karr HAS been cleared. I think it's just media spin, keeping this dead story alive that motivates some to say that Karr is not cleared. He's cleared. Alibi'ed. No dna match, No match of story/facts of case. Anyone sick enough can confess. This does not make them guilty of anything beyond mental illness. Karr is mentally ill. Period. amen. Let it go.

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[AlwaysShocked]

For me, it is not only the shape and spacing of the actual letters in the ransom note, it is the language. Who uses terminology like "fat cats", "hence" and "don't try to grow a brain"? Supposedly Patsy Ramsey was known to use all three, either in speech or prior writings.

Just for fun - How many on this board have ever used the term "fat cat"? How about "hence? How about "don't try to grow a brain"?

My own answers are "never, never, and never"

 

[JMO8778]

Just for fun - How many on this board have ever used the term "fat cat"? How about "hence? How about "don't try to grow a brain"?

My own answers are "never, never, and never"

mine-no,no and nope

 

[Charlie]

I think we can say that, for all intents and purposes, Karr HAS been cleared. I think it's just media spin, keeping this dead story alive that motivates some to say that Karr is not cleared. He's cleared. Alibi'ed. No dna match, No match of story/facts of case. Anyone sick enough can confess. This does not make them guilty of anything beyond mental illness. Karr is mentally ill. Period. amen. Let it go.

agreed.

 

[Charlie]

Actually, reading hodges psycolinguistic analysis of the note, (plus he analyzed several other letters the rams had written, both before and after murder), plus several handwring analyses convinced me Patsy wrote the note.

I have a link to a document that totally convinced me. Miller takes every letter of the note, and matches them up to patsy's exemplars for each letter, some letters match written different ways. It is almost chilling to read the last ten pages of this document. It is pdf, so for dial ups, it can be a tad slow.
http://www.acandyrose.com/02182003dh911motion.pdf

Great comparison work between rn and patsy's exemplers. The letter "q" nails it for me, who else writes "q"s like that?

 

[Eagle1]

I'll just take your word for it that a lot of PR's letters tend to match, but also a lot of Karr's, from a h.s. yearbook, did too!

We've never said he's the killer, or that he's not a nut case, but that handwriting and the "shabby" bear which only appeared the night of the murder in JonBenet's room and then disappeared again, which the media never mention, certainly may show he was somehow involved. The bear JBR was given at a pageant was white.

Matter of fact a lot of people may have been involved, all over the place, not just in the house.

Their leaving no evidence could just mean they all double- checked for any clues before leaving, the old two or more heads are better than one rationale. There being no definite universally accepted evidence of even one intruder doesn't prove a darned thing.

Remember I'm staying unbiased, not an IDI, but certain things in the staging, for instance the dictionary picture that ST said was added to the evidence pkt after the crime scene had been processed, which wasn't there then, you know the R's wouldn't have planted themselves. They wouldn't stage an "incest" clue, about themselves. Somebody who was probably involved had to have done that who was putting it all on them. We've discussed this before, so I'll not go into other examples again, could get very boring.

 

[icedtea4me]

Remember I'm staying unbiased, not an IDI, but certain things in the staging, for instance the dictionary picture that ST said was added to the evidence pkt after the crime scene had been processed, which wasn't there then, you know the R's wouldn't have planted themselves. They wouldn't stage an "incest" clue, about themselves. Somebody who was probably involved had to have done that who was putting it all on them. We've discussed this before, so I'll not go into other examples again, could get very boring.

From Thomas's book pg. 263-

When we checked the photos from a big manila envelope marked as evidence item #85KKY, I almost fell out of my chair, and Peck inhaled in sharp surprise. A picture showed Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary on a coffee table in the first floor study, the corner of the lower left-hand page sharply creased and pointing like an arrow to the word incest. Someone had apparently been looking for a definition of sexual contact between family members.


I see no statement from Thomas that this pic had been added. And one might think the Ramseys wouldn't put forth such a clue, but they would if they were crying out "This is what went down! Please, catch us!"


-Tea

 

[coloradokares]

I KWYM,I have 2 kids..teenagers actually.. and tend to be quiet and shy...until it comes to them! I'd fight fire with fire and and spit nails to protect them! But...that's just it.I don't think SS did enough,no matter how invincible she felt.I would have at least asked for a police escort.I felt she was too passive,just like the R's were (and still are).
I also would have stayed in Atlanta,or at least let the child stay there with family..it would seem to be a lot safer.I think the only reason they went back to Boulder was for appearances only.They sure didn't help police for 4 mo.Again,that's way too passive...I would have at least stayed quietly and in a different city,further away from Boulder.

You realize while your saying that, if you remember they did not have that option to leave Boulder except for the funeral Remember the police telling John your NOT going anywhere. When he wanted to fly them to Atlanta yet that day. I think the reason they returned when they did is upon attorney advice. So they did not get extradition like Karr. I have no proof of that and its my opinion and the opinion of alot who might have been in a postion to know. Lets say it was rumored they'd be on their way back to Boulder one way or the other. I think Boulder was as courteous as they could be in extending them the time they did. I know that they moved away but its my belief they did not until some agreements were made regarding Atlanta or MI picking them up in the event of. These were and are suspects in a murder. You know they felt the GJ would indict so they evey had agreements how that would be handled should the GJ have indicted. To come voluntarily and surrender quietly vs. media frenzzy. I think there was more back scene agreements than one thinks. Had their not been I am sure if Ramseys would have pushed theyd of felt the shove full force coming back in their direction ......If you have doubts think of Scott Petersen trying to go golfing that day he was picked up. Lets say I believe the Ramseys enjoyed the freedom they did at the courtesy of agreements between the lawyers and the powers to be in Boulder. As long as they did their part. Boulder was courteous. All part of the kid gloves handling no one else here gets except now the Midyette case.